As a father I can not imagine the emotional stress an event like this would put on my 5 year old daughter. After Columbine we had to take a serious look at the security of our schools. Following Columbine there were numerous other school shooting. When I lived in San Diego there was a school shooting at a middle school, a man in a car stopped and physically took down the shooter who was firing on children on the playground. A lot of schools these days have police officers in the school, I am in full agreement with this. This may just be enough of a deterrent to keep this kind of tragey from happening. What triggers a juvenile to do this? We need to take a serious look at the way we deal with juveniles. I strongly believe that intervention at an earlier age is a good idea. I dont think that our juvenile justice system is perfect, far from it actually. We need to look at other nations and maybe think about accepting some of their practices into our system. I have never personally heard of a school shooting in Turkey? I strongly believe tragedys like this are a failure on parents and the way we allow what I call "free range parenting" in our country and a failure on the way we deal with juveniles. In America, anyone is allowed to be a parent and we as a people normally dont say anything about how a child is being raised because we dont think it is any of out buisness, but it is. It becomes our problem when things like this happen and/or they commit other crimes. We need to devote more resources to educating parents and juveniles and also find more effective ways to deal with young people when they commit even the smallest of crimes. Afterall a crime is a crime no matter how big or small. Thanks chris123
I agree with your statement that we need to look at a way to deal with juvenile behaviors and it is heavily beneficial to start intervention at a early age. I wouldn't be to quickly to say parents are totally at fault for delinquents behaviors, although I do agree that how a child is raised is highly important in how their future plays out, but throughout the life course view a person is constantly changing, a persons behavior can be unpredictable and we never know what may occur. Thanks TonyTran123
I do agree with you that having a police officer in the school at all times could be a deterrent from preventing these types of tragedies. I know at my high school, we were constantly being put on lock down for canine units patrolling our hallways. I always felt that this was a deterrent from students hiding things in their lockers such as weapons or drugs.
You mentioned that in Turkey these kinds of things don't happen, or least you have never personality have heard of school shootings in Turkey. However, do we know how much freedom people have in Turkey? With freedom, comes repsonsibility. It's a question of how much freedom we want to give up for security. Some would argue this is a bad question. I, for one, would rather have more freedom.
This is a parent's worst nightmare. This report indicates that the shooter had been previously removed or rejected by the school and other reports indicate that he was attending an alternative high school. It has also been suggested that his acts appear to be premeditated. Of course, all the details have not yet been gathered or release but it appears that the young shooter may have had some serious anger issues and bitterness toward the school. Latent trait theory would suggest an impulsive personality, low self-control, and poor parenting. This may be the case, as I heard that the youth is from a broken home, however, I wouldn't be too quick to blame the shooter's parents before knowing more details. Some youth develop anti-social behaviors even when they are raised in healthy family atmospheres. There's something unique about those teenage years that can cause children to become unpredictable and different. I heard a recent study on CNN that discussed a chemical that is present during teenage years that is not present at other times in life. The chemical is said to affect behavior in certain ways. It's terrible that so many innocent people have been hurt by the actions of one confused individual. It stresses the importance of early intervention and makes it clear that we cannot ignore the problems of others in our society because we are all affected by them. -RitaA_123
I agree that the situation must be looked at in depth before any blame can be placed. All aspects of this youth's life must be evaluated too see if there were areas that might have been a factor. I also agree that the teenage years are extremely difficult and can cause unpredicted behavior. That is one reason why I do not feel that there should be a set age to consider a youth an adult. Each youth matures at a different rate and must be evaluated individually to determine their level of understanding. I feel a youth gets more of a chance at rehabilitation than if they are charged as an adult. People want quick justice but in the case of a youth offender even one who commits murder I feel the time must be taken to properly assess the situation, the causes of the acts and how this person can be rehabilitated. Holly123
This is a horrific tragedy. A young teenager shooting 5 students and killing one out of those 5.. In considering why the shooter did what he did and determining what trigger him to commit such a crime we have to consider what influenced his behavior choices, it may have been out of anger and aggression, stress factors, or his past experiences and social background. The video implies that that there have been trouble background in school and his family. This can fall under the view of many theories. According to the view of the life-course theory, the experiences of individuals over their life course can affect their behavioral choices, define as people are constantly changing. It considers multiple traits of social, psychological, and economic traits. From what we know, the shooter was a young teenager attending school having trouble in his family and in school. In dealing with future tragedies, prevention needs to be taken. With the gun control issue, of course there would be consequences. Ohio doesn't require a license to attain a gun and even so it may lead to lesser gun violence but it won't change the juvenile behavior choices. I believe other effective ways in dealing with this would be a better school system in preventing violence, bullying, and weapons. - Thanks, TonyTran123
Tony. I agree with your post. At this time, it is too early to say with definitive authority which theory, but it is not to early for you to suggest with an educated and informed view. Well done.
Tony, he stole his uncle's gun. This is not a gun control issue. Our Founding Fathers in the Bill of Rights (The Second amendment) gave us the right to bear arms. I believe that if you take away the guns from all of the law abiding citizens then only criminals or despots will have guns. Had to get that in there. But, more importantly great post you made me think. Bevery123
I agree with you Tony. I also think that it is really not right that you do not have to own a license to own a weapon in Ohio. That is a much easier way to letting something like this happen. There has to be more laws to prevent terrible acts such as this from happening. ChasePerdue123
This is such a tragedy. It is very sad to say, but it seems that ever since Columbine, these kinds of incidents are becoming more common. I know that schools in the inner cities usually have a police officer, metal detectors, or other forms to prevent these types of situations from occurring, but these kinds of incidents have become common in rural communities as well. Not too long ago in America these types of situations never occurred and it was one thing that no parent had to worry about. I feel that some parents today are trying too hard to be their child’s friend and not their parent. Instead of letting their kids do whatever they want, they should discipline them. Also parents need to be there for their kids when they are going through hard times, especially in their teenage years. At this age, kids are exposed to so many things and parents need to teach them early to stay away from violence, drugs, etc. Although it did not say what the motive was for this incident, bullying is usually a motive for these types of tragedies. I feel that teachers should focus some time in their day to educate students on bullying. With today’s technology, someone could be getting bullied both in and out of school by fellow class mates. Although I know that these things will never stop violence from ever occurring in schools, it could be way to prevent it from happening as often. Thanks, Casey 123
The shooter TJ Lane was arraigned in court as a juvenile and they held a detention hearing and the judge stated that the hearing had to be held within 24 hours, which they were doing. Since he represented a danger to the community the judge decided to detain him and forbade everyone from talking about the case or taking Walker’s picture. Prosecutors have until Thursday to charge him and are expected to ask that he be tried as an adult. Those who knew him said he started to change around eighth grade. His father was convicted twice of assaulting women with whom he had children with including Lane’s mother. She was also charged with domestic violence against the father. The father was told by police to stay away from Lane and his mother. Lane’s father was sent to prison for holding a woman’s head under running water and bashing her head against a wall. But how many times did the father assault Lane’s mother without being arrested? Social workers were aware of the family problems, but I can’t help but feel that more intervention was necessary in this case. Lane himself was charged with assault in 2009 after a fight involving his uncle. Lane thought his uncle had attacked his brother, and Lane came to his brother's aid. So it seems that Lane was raised in a dysfunctional family that was prone to violence. At the time of the shooting Lane was living with his grandparents. When I first heard about this I immediately thought of bullying but when Lane confessed he said he just shot randomly. However, I find it more than a coincidence that one of the boys who was shot had dated a girl who had broken up with Lane in the past. Lane did not even go to Chardon High School he went to Lake Academy, which is for students with academic or behavioral problems. The kid had a history of a violent father and a violent uncle so his male role models chose to deal with their problems with violence and like it or not children behave the way the adults around them behave. Or maybe Lane’s father had mental problems that Lane inherited. I haven’t heard about drinking or substance abuse by Lane and his parents but this would not surprise me. Lane’s case brings to mind the subject of prevention; what sort of intervention could have prevented this tragedy from happening? How can the system do more to help kids who are stuck in a violent family? Foster care comes to mind, but I dated a guy who was in foster care for most of his life and he said he got shuffled around from family to family and no one cared about him; they just took him for the money. I have also heard of children who were abused by the foster family. This is not to say that all foster parents are bad. But can’t we spend some of the money politicians appropriate for prisons and punishment to perfect the foster care system and enable social workers to step in before a child is permanently damaged, like Lane, or to institute an even better system to save the lives of children like Lane and their victims? Regards, Beverly123
You did alot of research which is exactly what I feel must happen to properly address these situations. Too many times we jump to quick decisions without looking further into the situation. There are two things to address in my opinion. First, the shooter is alive so we must look at rehabilitating him and see where signs might have been missed before this happened. Second we must look at what drove him to this action and how we can learn from him to help prevent this type of tragedy in the future. Many times the shooters are killed and we do not get this chance. I know that many would not feel that the youth deserves to be given another chance but it could also prove as a valuable learning tool for the prevention of juvenile delinquency.
First and foremost this is a sad situation that is happening all too often in our society today. Is it the fault of a chemical imbalance, bad parenting, the easy access to guns or other weapons, bullying or poor judgement? I believe all of these factors can and do play a role. I live in a rural community with a small high school. If it were proposed to place police on campus or install a metal detector people would be up in arms. Why? A shooting could happen here just as it could in a large inner city school. Yes the dinamics may be different but that does not ensure safety. We must realize that times have changed and we need to be preventive in dealing with juvenile delinquency. I believe that we must work to recognize juveniles who are at risk of delinquent behavior and work to rehabilitate them. From the information provided this youth was in a special setting due to past activities. What was happening to him there. Was it just a reform school or were his circumstances being addressed? Was an opportunity missed to help this juvenile and prevent this awful tragedy from happening? Thanks Holly123
What a tradgedy! First we need to figure out why this boy was randomnly shooting at students. What was the juvenile thinking and what brought him to shooting fellow students. Nothing will excuse his actions but first we need to look at all aspects of the child's life before we can determine why this has happened. Was it preventable? Could something have been done before to prevent this situation? Why was his anger brought to the point of shooting people? I don't believe a child would randomly just start shooting there is another story about the boy that first needs to be addressed. From the previous comment, states that he has a history of violence and violence within his own family. His father and uncle were abusive and probably the two main males in his life which whom he was was learning from. ANNAM123
Holly, I like your point that many times the shooters are killed, and we all know that dead men tell no tales. Lane is still alive and perhaps there is hope for his rehabilitation and a chance for psychologists to gain his trust and find out from him what made him snap. All I know is that if they charge him as an adult, which they will, and just ship him off to prison and bury him there, we all lose. We cannot bring those dead students back to life or change the way Lane was brought up, but at the very least the criminal justice system must use this case to learn more about the factors that make a troubled kid turn into a killer. The more I learned about Lane's life the more I felt sorry for him and anger towards those who let him down. This is not to say that I condone his actions and don't have more compassion for the kids who were killed and their families; God bless them all and give them strength. This disaster is not just Lane's fault, but also the fault of this society as a whole, for being so primitive and draconian in dealing with people who need help; not more brutality and punishment. Bev123
Beverly,I agree that we need to figure out what turned this kid into a killer. Knowing why, would help the members of that community understand. School shootings are happening far too often and its effecting the lives of millions. If he was targeting one person, you wouldn't think that he would just open fire. I'm not exactly sure what schools and communities can do to prevent such tragedies from happening but for the sake of children around the globe, somethings got to change. To take a bunch of innocent peoples lives is not okay.
In response to Kcjuvi044, I agree with your statement that parents need to step up on parenting and stop trying to be their childs friend. Parents and children need to be educated on violence and bulleying and their consequences. We also need to look at the larger picture of gun control and the community. If the community knew that this juvenile was a threat to their community, something should have been done sooner. I was taught that not just parents raise a child the whole community raises the child because of the influences that the community has on the child. Especially when living in a small town like Chardon. ANNAM123
This a horrible tragedy. The big question I feel to be addressed is why are young children committing such serious, gut wrenching crimes? I understand that most of these children have hard lives. They may be abused, neglected, bullied, or etc. To me that's not an excuse. There are millions of people who have experienced one of these things or have been exposed to a lot of unthinkable things that have overcome their past. Some people want to blame the parents for not being there, or the school for not recognizing that this child might have been at risk for something like this. The economy today is making it harder for parents to pay the bills and have an active role in these children's lives. I think instead of pointing our fingers and trying to blame someone, we should focus on rehabilitation for the shooter. I'm sure everyone wants answers to why this happened. What triggered such an event? I know that someone can only take so much before they snap. My heart, thoughts, and prayers go out to the families in this small community. Nicole Bierma123.
Nicole, I have to agree with you that way too many of these crimes are being committed by such young kids. It is terrible that such thoughts could even cross their minds. I feel that it is something that we need to try and look more into so that we are better able to understand the warning signs. The more educated everyone is about it then maybe the better response we will be able to have. ChasePerdue123
This really is an extremely terrible tragedy. The question is really what drove the shooter to commit such a heinous crime. To be able to take a gun into his own school and shoot 5 of his fellow classmates something had to be happening to make him finally snap and want to do this. He already had a bad background with his family life and in school. His parents were divorced and his father was in and out of jail for assaulting a police officer and trying to drown a woman. I am sure this did not have a positive effect of the boy. To me this seems like the life-course theory because of the incidents that went on in his life that really made him become how he was. It really is a shame that such serious murders can be committed by someone who is just a young kid. ChasePerdue123
I completely agree with you when you say that his background deff. had an impact on him. And its deffinately a shame that he is a minor committing such a serious crime. Logan anderson123
That is interesting that his father had a criminal history I was not aware of that. I also have seen where he had recently gone through a bad break-up and instantly opened fire on his ex-girlfriend and her new boyfriend. That could have been part of what drove him to do so. But definitely his fathers criminal history, the bullying and probably some sort of mental problem were other large factors. Kaleigh123
I agree that with you that it is a shame someone that is still labeled a child can commit such a serious crime. On one hand the boy apparently has not had a good life and with all the bad in his life he followed in the footsteps of what he has grown up around. On the other hand something so serious he still needs to be held accountable for his actions. He purposely shot 5 people, killing one. He walked into that school with a gun and the intention of shooting. Blazin123
The reporter or reporters in the video really didn't have much information on the crime. The only thing reported that the shooter was under age (less than 18 years old), had a troubled background both at school and in his family life and that the shooters background was similar to that of other school shooters in the past. I suppose taking this information, one can infer that the shooter had been bullied, had easy availability to guns and that their was little parental supervision. Another inference might be that the shooter had to have been shown how to load and fire a gun or at least had seen guns been loaded and shot in order to carry out this particular crime. With the information so limited about the shooter, it would be hard to say if this shooter had been "labeled" a bad kid or that he was "predisposed" to violence as in the "latent trait" theory of juvenile delinquency. One thing is for sure. He left one person dead and four others wounded. If he wanted revenge or if he wanted to cause choas, he succeeded in his objective. Thanks "MarleneBello123"
This is a very sad story. To know that this is going on in our backyard almost is scary. I belive that this fits into the life-course theory. The things the teenager went through in his home life had to have had an impact on him and who he was as a person. But how did he know how to load a gun? or even use it? It's sad when you see teenagers and minors that go through abuse, broken homes, and just plain disfunction and the way they cope with it or lash out is by hurting other people, innocent people. But what makes him just wake up one day and take a gun to school and start shooting people? The video didn't tell much. Only that he was a minor and that there was one confirmed dead and 4 others injured. We need to know what happend to make him do this. Why he would do something so severe. Im not sure if its parenting or better gun control, but something needs to be figured out so we can stop this from happening. Logan Anderson123
I believe that this falls under the latent traits theory. The boy holds the trait of being anti-social which is discussed in this theory. The more of an outcast he became the more prone to committing crimes especially of the violent nature he became. I also have seen where he was driven by possibly a recent break-up and the jealousy that followed that. He felt he had to show his anger at everyone in a big way. He also posted something on facebook about a week before the shooting about death and killing. If people had paid enough attention to him this may have been able to be prevented. All in all as much as this was the boy's fault something serious has happened in his life for him to be this far off course and this hateful. The more we dissect this event we can hopefully prevent future recurrences. Kaleigh123
When I read or see something like this, my heart goes out to all of those affected by it. Living in a smaller town, this is one of those things that you dot really think about because you can't imagine it happening in "your town" but the truth of the matter is that it can happen anywhere at any given time. This clip didn't give out a whole lot of information other than the boy was under 18 and has had a troubled family and school life. Life Course Criminology is a study of crime based on the belief that behavioral patterns developed in childhood can predict delinquent and criminal behavior later in life. Knowing how the boy has been rasied could help in understanding why he did what he did but it certainly does not make it ok. One could point the finger at the parent(s). Maybe if he had a more stable home environment then he wouldnt have committed this crime, if his parent(s) had raised him with more guidance, showed him more love, gave him more responsibilities around the house, etc. You could argue that troubles in school lead him to a breaking point to where he committed this crime. Every country has their own laws and beliefs set in place to protect minors, even though we may not agree with them. We have to protect the rights of minors. Instead of focusing on how to punish those who did commit a crime, I feel more focus needs to be put on the prevention of crime. With proper preventative measures throughout then maybe even if a child comes from a bad family life or troubled school life, that child will know better, and if that child still is struggling or has urges to committ offenses he/she will have somewhere to go for help instead of committing the crime. Thanks blazin123
As a father I can not imagine the emotional stress an event like this would put on my 5 year old daughter. After Columbine we had to take a serious look at the security of our schools. Following Columbine there were numerous other school shooting. When I lived in San Diego there was a school shooting at a middle school, a man in a car stopped and physically took down the shooter who was firing on children on the playground. A lot of schools these days have police officers in the school, I am in full agreement with this. This may just be enough of a deterrent to keep this kind of tragey from happening. What triggers a juvenile to do this? We need to take a serious look at the way we deal with juveniles. I strongly believe that intervention at an earlier age is a good idea. I dont think that our juvenile justice system is perfect, far from it actually. We need to look at other nations and maybe think about accepting some of their practices into our system. I have never personally heard of a school shooting in Turkey? I strongly believe tragedys like this are a failure on parents and the way we allow what I call "free range parenting" in our country and a failure on the way we deal with juveniles. In America, anyone is allowed to be a parent and we as a people normally dont say anything about how a child is being raised because we dont think it is any of out buisness, but it is. It becomes our problem when things like this happen and/or they commit other crimes. We need to devote more resources to educating parents and juveniles and also find more effective ways to deal with young people when they commit even the smallest of crimes. Afterall a crime is a crime no matter how big or small. Thanks chris123
ReplyDeleteI agree with your statement that we need to look at a way to deal with juvenile behaviors and it is heavily beneficial to start intervention at a early age. I wouldn't be to quickly to say parents are totally at fault for delinquents behaviors, although I do agree that how a child is raised is highly important in how their future plays out, but throughout the life course view a person is constantly changing, a persons behavior can be unpredictable and we never know what may occur. Thanks TonyTran123
DeleteI do agree with you that having a police officer in the school at all times could be a deterrent from preventing these types of tragedies. I know at my high school, we were constantly being put on lock down for canine units patrolling our hallways. I always felt that this was a deterrent from students hiding things in their lockers such as weapons or drugs.
DeleteYou mentioned that in Turkey these kinds of things don't happen, or least you have never personality have heard of school shootings in Turkey. However, do we know how much freedom people have in Turkey? With freedom, comes repsonsibility. It's a question of how much freedom we want to give up for security. Some would argue this is a bad question. I, for one, would rather have more freedom.
DeleteThis is a parent's worst nightmare. This report indicates that the shooter had been previously removed or rejected by the school and other reports indicate that he was attending an alternative high school. It has also been suggested that his acts appear to be premeditated. Of course, all the details have not yet been gathered or release but it appears that the young shooter may have had some serious anger issues and bitterness toward the school. Latent trait theory would suggest an impulsive personality, low self-control, and poor parenting. This may be the case, as I heard that the youth is from a broken home, however, I wouldn't be too quick to blame the shooter's parents before knowing more details. Some youth develop anti-social behaviors even when they are raised in healthy family atmospheres. There's something unique about those teenage years that can cause children to become unpredictable and different. I heard a recent study on CNN that discussed a chemical that is present during teenage years that is not present at other times in life. The chemical is said to affect behavior in certain ways. It's terrible that so many innocent people have been hurt by the actions of one confused individual. It stresses the importance of early intervention and makes it clear that we cannot ignore the problems of others in our society because we are all affected by them. -RitaA_123
ReplyDeleteI agree that the situation must be looked at in depth before any blame can be placed. All aspects of this youth's life must be evaluated too see if there were areas that might have been a factor. I also agree that the teenage years are extremely difficult and can cause unpredicted behavior. That is one reason why I do not feel that there should be a set age to consider a youth an adult. Each youth matures at a different rate and must be evaluated individually to determine their level of understanding. I feel a youth gets more of a chance at rehabilitation than if they are charged as an adult. People want quick justice but in the case of a youth offender even one who commits murder I feel the time must be taken to properly assess the situation, the causes of the acts and how this person can be rehabilitated. Holly123
DeleteThis is a horrific tragedy. A young teenager shooting 5 students and killing one out of those 5.. In considering why the shooter did what he did and determining what trigger him to commit such a crime we have to consider what influenced his behavior choices, it may have been out of anger and aggression, stress factors, or his past experiences and social background. The video implies that that there have been trouble background in school and his family. This can fall under the view of many theories. According to the view of the life-course theory, the experiences of individuals over their life course can affect their behavioral choices, define as people are constantly changing. It considers multiple traits of social, psychological, and economic traits. From what we know, the shooter was a young teenager attending school having trouble in his family and in school. In dealing with future tragedies, prevention needs to be taken. With the gun control issue, of course there would be consequences. Ohio doesn't require a license to attain a gun and even so it may lead to lesser gun violence but it won't change the juvenile behavior choices. I believe other effective ways in dealing with this would be a better school system in preventing violence, bullying, and weapons. - Thanks, TonyTran123
ReplyDeleteTony. I agree with your post. At this time, it is too early to say with definitive authority which theory, but it is not to early for you to suggest with an educated and informed view. Well done.
DeleteTony, he stole his uncle's gun. This is not a gun control issue. Our Founding Fathers in the Bill of Rights (The Second amendment) gave us the right to bear arms. I believe that if you take away the guns from all of the law abiding citizens then only criminals or despots will have guns. Had to get that in there. But, more importantly great post you made me think. Bevery123
DeleteI agree with you Tony. I also think that it is really not right that you do not have to own a license to own a weapon in Ohio. That is a much easier way to letting something like this happen. There has to be more laws to prevent terrible acts such as this from happening.
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ReplyDeleteThis is such a tragedy. It is very sad to say, but it seems that ever since Columbine, these kinds of incidents are becoming more common. I know that schools in the inner cities usually have a police officer, metal detectors, or other forms to prevent these types of situations from occurring, but these kinds of incidents have become common in rural communities as well. Not too long ago in America these types of situations never occurred and it was one thing that no parent had to worry about. I feel that some parents today are trying too hard to be their child’s friend and not their parent. Instead of letting their kids do whatever they want, they should discipline them. Also parents need to be there for their kids when they are going through hard times, especially in their teenage years. At this age, kids are exposed to so many things and parents need to teach them early to stay away from violence, drugs, etc. Although it did not say what the motive was for this incident, bullying is usually a motive for these types of tragedies. I feel that teachers should focus some time in their day to educate students on bullying. With today’s technology, someone could be getting bullied both in and out of school by fellow class mates. Although I know that these things will never stop violence from ever occurring in schools, it could be way to prevent it from happening as often. Thanks, Casey 123
ReplyDeleteThe shooter TJ Lane was arraigned in court as a juvenile and they held a detention hearing and the judge stated that the hearing had to be held within 24 hours, which they were doing. Since he represented a danger to the community the judge decided to detain him and forbade everyone from talking about the case or taking Walker’s picture. Prosecutors have until Thursday to charge him and are expected to ask that he be tried as an adult. Those who knew him said he started to change around eighth grade. His father was convicted twice of assaulting women with whom he had children with including Lane’s mother. She was also charged with domestic violence against the father. The father was told by police to stay away from Lane and his mother. Lane’s father was sent to prison for holding a woman’s head under running water and bashing her head against a wall. But how many times did the father assault Lane’s mother without being arrested? Social workers were aware of the family problems, but I can’t help but feel that more intervention was necessary in this case. Lane himself was charged with assault in 2009 after a fight involving his uncle. Lane thought his uncle had attacked his brother, and Lane came to his brother's aid. So it seems that Lane was raised in a dysfunctional family that was prone to violence. At the time of the shooting Lane was living with his grandparents. When I first heard about this I immediately thought of bullying but when Lane confessed he said he just shot randomly. However, I find it more than a coincidence that one of the boys who was shot had dated a girl who had broken up with Lane in the past. Lane did not even go to Chardon High School he went to Lake Academy, which is for students with academic or behavioral problems. The kid had a history of a violent father and a violent uncle so his male role models chose to deal with their problems with violence and like it or not children behave the way the adults around them behave. Or maybe Lane’s father had mental problems that Lane inherited. I haven’t heard about drinking or substance abuse by Lane and his parents but this would not surprise me. Lane’s case brings to mind the subject of prevention; what sort of intervention could have prevented this tragedy from happening? How can the system do more to help kids who are stuck in a violent family? Foster care comes to mind, but I dated a guy who was in foster care for most of his life and he said he got shuffled around from family to family and no one cared about him; they just took him for the money. I have also heard of children who were abused by the foster family. This is not to say that all foster parents are bad. But can’t we spend some of the money politicians appropriate for prisons and punishment to perfect the foster care system and enable social workers to step in before a child is permanently damaged, like Lane, or to institute an even better system to save the lives of children like Lane and their victims? Regards, Beverly123
ReplyDeleteYou did alot of research which is exactly what I feel must happen to properly address these situations. Too many times we jump to quick decisions without looking further into the situation. There are two things to address in my opinion. First, the shooter is alive so we must look at rehabilitating him and see where signs might have been missed before this happened. Second we must look at what drove him to this action and how we can learn from him to help prevent this type of tragedy in the future. Many times the shooters are killed and we do not get this chance. I know that many would not feel that the youth deserves to be given another chance but it could also prove as a valuable learning tool for the prevention of juvenile delinquency.
DeleteFirst and foremost this is a sad situation that is happening all too often in our society today. Is it the fault of a chemical imbalance, bad parenting, the easy access to guns or other weapons, bullying or poor judgement? I believe all of these factors can and do play a role. I live in a rural community with a small high school. If it were proposed to place police on campus or install a metal detector people would be up in arms. Why? A shooting could happen here just as it could in a large inner city school. Yes the dinamics may be different but that does not ensure safety. We must realize that times have changed and we need to be preventive in dealing with juvenile delinquency. I believe that we must work to recognize juveniles who are at risk of delinquent behavior and work to rehabilitate them. From the information provided this youth was in a special setting due to past activities. What was happening to him there. Was it just a reform school or were his circumstances being addressed? Was an opportunity missed to help this juvenile and prevent this awful tragedy from happening? Thanks Holly123
ReplyDeleteWhat a tradgedy! First we need to figure out why this boy was randomnly shooting at students. What was the juvenile thinking and what brought him to shooting fellow students. Nothing will excuse his actions but first we need to look at all aspects of the child's life before we can determine why this has happened. Was it preventable? Could something have been done before to prevent this situation? Why was his anger brought to the point of shooting people? I don't believe a child would randomly just start shooting there is another story about the boy that first needs to be addressed. From the previous comment, states that he has a history of violence and violence within his own family. His father and uncle were abusive and probably the two main males in his life which whom he was was learning from.
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Holly, I like your point that many times the shooters are killed, and we all know that dead men tell no tales. Lane is still alive and perhaps there is hope for his rehabilitation and a chance for psychologists to gain his trust and find out from him what made him snap. All I know is that if they charge him as an adult, which they will, and just ship him off to prison and bury him there, we all lose. We cannot bring those dead students back to life or change the way Lane was brought up, but at the very least the criminal justice system must use this case to learn more about the factors that make a troubled kid turn into a killer. The more I learned about Lane's life the more I felt sorry for him and anger towards those who let him down. This is not to say that I condone his actions and don't have more compassion for the kids who were killed and their families; God bless them all and give them strength. This disaster is not just Lane's fault, but also the fault of this society as a whole, for being so primitive and draconian in dealing with people who need help; not more brutality and punishment. Bev123
ReplyDeleteBeverly,I agree that we need to figure out what turned this kid into a killer. Knowing why, would help the members of that community understand. School shootings are happening far too often and its effecting the lives of millions. If he was targeting one person, you wouldn't think that he would just open fire. I'm not exactly sure what schools and communities can do to prevent such tragedies from happening but for the sake of children around the globe, somethings got to change. To take a bunch of innocent peoples lives is not okay.
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ReplyDeleteI agree with your statement that parents need to step up on parenting and stop trying to be their childs friend. Parents and children need to be educated on
violence and bulleying and their consequences. We also need to look at the larger picture of gun control and the community. If the community knew that this juvenile was a threat to their community, something should have been done sooner. I was taught that not just parents raise a child the whole community raises the child because of the influences that the community has on the child. Especially when living in a small town like Chardon.
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This a horrible tragedy. The big question I feel to be addressed is why are young children committing such serious, gut wrenching crimes? I understand that most of these children have hard lives. They may be abused, neglected, bullied, or etc. To me that's not an excuse. There are millions of people who have experienced one of these things or have been exposed to a lot of unthinkable things that have overcome their past. Some people want to blame the parents for not being there, or the school for not recognizing that this child might have been at risk for something like this. The economy today is making it harder for parents to pay the bills and have an active role in these children's lives. I think instead of pointing our fingers and trying to blame someone, we should focus on rehabilitation for the shooter. I'm sure everyone wants answers to why this happened. What triggered such an event? I know that someone can only take so much before they snap. My heart, thoughts, and prayers go out to the families in this small community. Nicole Bierma123.
ReplyDeleteNicole, I have to agree with you that way too many of these crimes are being committed by such young kids. It is terrible that such thoughts could even cross their minds. I feel that it is something that we need to try and look more into so that we are better able to understand the warning signs. The more educated everyone is about it then maybe the better response we will be able to have.
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This really is an extremely terrible tragedy. The question is really what drove the shooter to commit such a heinous crime. To be able to take a gun into his own school and shoot 5 of his fellow classmates something had to be happening to make him finally snap and want to do this. He already had a bad background with his family life and in school. His parents were divorced and his father was in and out of jail for assaulting a police officer and trying to drown a woman. I am sure this did not have a positive effect of the boy. To me this seems like the life-course theory because of the incidents that went on in his life that really made him become how he was. It really is a shame that such serious murders can be committed by someone who is just a young kid.
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I completely agree with you when you say that his background deff. had an impact on him. And its deffinately a shame that he is a minor committing such a serious crime.
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That is interesting that his father had a criminal history I was not aware of that. I also have seen where he had recently gone through a bad break-up and instantly opened fire on his ex-girlfriend and her new boyfriend. That could have been part of what drove him to do so. But definitely his fathers criminal history, the bullying and probably some sort of mental problem were other large factors. Kaleigh123
DeleteI agree that with you that it is a shame someone that is still labeled a child can commit such a serious crime. On one hand the boy apparently has not had a good life and with all the bad in his life he followed in the footsteps of what he has grown up around. On the other hand something so serious he still needs to be held accountable for his actions. He purposely shot 5 people, killing one. He walked into that school with a gun and the intention of shooting. Blazin123
DeleteThe reporter or reporters in the video really didn't have much information on the crime. The only thing reported that the shooter was under age (less than 18 years old), had a troubled background both at school and in his family life and that the shooters background was similar to that of other school shooters in the past. I suppose taking this information, one can infer that the shooter had been bullied, had easy availability to guns and that their was little parental supervision. Another inference might be that the shooter had to have been shown how to load and fire a gun or at least had seen guns been loaded and shot in order to carry out this particular crime. With the information so limited about the shooter, it would be hard to say if this shooter had been "labeled" a bad kid or that he was "predisposed" to violence as in the "latent trait" theory of juvenile delinquency. One thing is for sure. He left one person dead and four others wounded. If he wanted revenge or if he wanted to cause choas, he succeeded in his objective. Thanks "MarleneBello123"
ReplyDeleteThis is a very sad story. To know that this is going on in our backyard almost is scary. I belive that this fits into the life-course theory. The things the teenager went through in his home life had to have had an impact on him and who he was as a person. But how did he know how to load a gun? or even use it? It's sad when you see teenagers and minors that go through abuse, broken homes, and just plain disfunction and the way they cope with it or lash out is by hurting other people, innocent people. But what makes him just wake up one day and take a gun to school and start shooting people? The video didn't tell much. Only that he was a minor and that there was one confirmed dead and 4 others injured. We need to know what happend to make him do this. Why he would do something so severe. Im not sure if its parenting or better gun control, but something needs to be figured out so we can stop this from happening.
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I believe that this falls under the latent traits theory. The boy holds the trait of being anti-social which is discussed in this theory. The more of an outcast he became the more prone to committing crimes especially of the violent nature he became. I also have seen where he was driven by possibly a recent break-up and the jealousy that followed that. He felt he had to show his anger at everyone in a big way. He also posted something on facebook about a week before the shooting about death and killing. If people had paid enough attention to him this may have been able to be prevented. All in all as much as this was the boy's fault something serious has happened in his life for him to be this far off course and this hateful. The more we dissect this event we can hopefully prevent future recurrences. Kaleigh123
ReplyDeleteWhen I read or see something like this, my heart goes out to all of those affected by it. Living in a smaller town, this is one of those things that you dot really think about because you can't imagine it happening in "your town" but the truth of the matter is that it can happen anywhere at any given time. This clip didn't give out a whole lot of information other than the boy was under 18 and has had a troubled family and school life. Life Course Criminology is a study of crime based on the belief that behavioral patterns developed in childhood can predict delinquent and criminal behavior later in life. Knowing how the boy has been rasied could help in understanding why he did what he did but it certainly does not make it ok. One could point the finger at the parent(s). Maybe if he had a more stable home environment then he wouldnt have committed this crime, if his parent(s) had raised him with more guidance, showed him more love, gave him more responsibilities around the house, etc. You could argue that troubles in school lead him to a breaking point to where he committed this crime. Every country has their own laws and beliefs set in place to protect minors, even though we may not agree with them. We have to protect the rights of minors. Instead of focusing on how to punish those who did commit a crime, I feel more focus needs to be put on the prevention of crime. With proper preventative measures throughout then maybe even if a child comes from a bad family life or troubled school life, that child will know better, and if that child still is struggling or has urges to committ offenses he/she will have somewhere to go for help instead of committing the crime. Thanks blazin123
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