Hard time will not work for first offenders, I don't care what the charges are. Juveniles are still developing and will don't truly understand the concept of doing these crimes at the time. Whether its 2 weeks or a month. The crime and there punishments have to have a period to sink in for them to truly understand. Gluecks identified number of traits that can show persistent offending. Family relations, quality of discipline and emotional ties with parents. Kids raised in single parent families, of limited economic means and educational achievements was the most vulnerable to delinquency. Also physical and mental factors play in a role of determining behavior. Sentencing kids with hard time is what they basically say in the video "giving up on the youth in the nation". There needs to be more programs out there to be involved with the kids life's in schools, and teachers/coaches need to have certain characteristics to be able to help kids. Not just on the court or in the class room but to recognize signs of depression, antisocial behaviors, or mental/physical disabilities. To help them cope with life instead what sort of grades they are earning. They are expected to mature and enter the workforce then to marry. Well not everyone mature in the same fashion or at the same time. Delinquents should not be tried as adults and need to be disciplined. When youths are housed in adult jails the likely hood of suicide raises 36 times more likely to commit it. Its a total change of perspective and its a ugly, sick, negative learning environment. -Shotokan456
I don’t think it’s a good idea to give a kid who hasn’t committed many crimes hard time. I less it is murder or attempted murder or rape or something along those lines. I know kids make mistakes but that’s what kids do I think they need to have the chance to learn what they did was wrong I think that they should be able to be released and have another chance at life because if a kid gets hard time his life is ruined and he won’t be able to do anything productive with his life because he would be so used to the prison life. –Football456
I don’t think it’s a good idea to give a kid who hasn’t committed many crimes hard time. I less it is murder or attempted murder or rape or something along those lines. I know kids make mistakes but that’s what kids do I think they need to have the chance to learn what they did was wrong I think that they should be able to be released and have another chance at life because if a kid gets hard time his life is ruined and he won’t be able to do anything productive with his life because he would be so used to the prison life. –Football456
Age always comes into play. A 6 year old has no concept of fantasy and reality. For all he knows, people have 3 lives cause they do in a particular video game. However when they reach a certain age there has to be a boundary line drawn for those more serious felony cases as you mentioned such as rape and murder. The rest I'm totally on agreement with you football. ChiefO'Keefe456
Age always comes into play. A 6 year old has no concept of fantasy and reality. For all he knows, people have 3 lives cause they do in a particular video game. However when they reach a certain age there has to be a boundary line drawn for those more serious felony cases as you mentioned such as rape and murder. The rest I'm totally on agreement with you football. ChiefO'Keefe456
Like ChiefO'Keefe said age always comes into play. We cannot expect a 8 year old to know whats right or wrong like we can expect a 16+ aged teen to know. I also agree with the video game reference he made, seeing how kids could think people have "multiple lives" and can respawn in a different location and be perfectly fine. There is no need to ruin a young childs life because of this mistake, why not teach him what is right and wrong and turn him/her into a productive member of society. Morton456
I don’t think it’s a good idea to give a kid who hasn’t committed many crimes hard time. I less it is murder or attempted murder or rape or something along those lines. I know kids make mistakes but that’s what kids do I think they need to have the chance to learn what they did was wrong I think that they should be able to be released and have another chance at life because if a kid gets hard time his life is ruined and he won’t be able to do anything productive with his life because he would be so used to the prison life. –Football456
I agree with you, however I don't see your kids will be kids theory to be substantial enough to keep them from being placed in a correctional facility. Having them placed in a position to learn from their mistakes is vital, but not at the expense of public safety.
There has to be an alternative to taking a kid that's 12 and trying him as an adult. The show didn't do well to show how he felt about our if he knew what exactly he did to find himself in his predicament. Knowing that 36% of juveniles commit suicide in adult prison isn't surprising at all. Knowing that they will be defenseless it may appear that the only option they have is death. I'm not saying that people who commit heinous crimes don't need to be reprimanded, but placing a child in prison with vultures isn't going to help him. If any thing it will hinder him. Miltary456
I agree that twelve is too young to sentence a child to hard time in prison. The intentions behind giving him an adult sentence is to ensure he is unable to offend while he is incarcerated. But unless he cracks under the pressure and commits suicide like so many of these children do, he will be released one day; and he'll be no better for the time he served. Having him complete a juvenile program would save large amounts of money and give him another chance at life, despite his mistakes.- Anonemoose456
It isn't necessarily best to impose hard time onto first offenders for the sole fact that these juveniles don't truly understand the consequences to the actions they have committed. They are going through a key stage of their life when they are growing and (with any hope) maturing and grasping the concept of right and wrong, pro's and con's, benefits and consequences. The criminal behavior can't be blamed upon just the child's decision making alone, but other factors. The video mentioned many, but the major ones are family (single parent/two parent homes), education and economic stability within the family unit. By imposing hard time on youthful offenders, I believe it will only cause aggression and anger that could lead to the possible uprising of more criminal activity to come. ChiefO'Keefe456
What you are saying is correct. However, with a developing child there are 4 key factors in their life. (Family, media, peers and school) a good home life thatis involved in all of them could help. I know there are the exception to every rule like a single mom trying to work for a roof and food for her child. It is hard for her to get the best involvement and help cure any bad behavior. Programs after school like the boys and girls club are one way to get the right track. Money is ALWAYS the issue when it comes to anything and is needed for things such as that. With all that said, I do agree with what you are saying, just that there has to be mor to hold accountable when pro acting the child
It isn't necessarily best to impose hard time onto first offenders for the sole fact that these juveniles don't truly understand the consequences to the actions they have committed. They are going through a key stage of their life when they are growing and (with any hope) maturing and grasping the concept of right and wrong, pro's and con's, benefits and consequences. The criminal behavior can't be blamed upon just the child's decision making alone, but other factors. The video mentioned many, but the major ones are family (single parent/two parent homes), education and economic stability within the family unit. By imposing hard time on youthful offenders, I believe it will only cause aggression and anger that could lead to the possible uprising of more criminal activity to come. ChiefO'Keefe456
I think that these kids do understand that their actions have consequences. By the time you were 12 or 13 you understood that if you killed someone you would get sent to prison. When we send kids to juvenile detention for murder we are telling them its ok to kill someone. Snapple457
I think we have found out that hard time in lock down is not always the best and sometimes, it does not work. Imposing hard time to first time offenders is not necessary, when sometimes some of the juveniles do not understand just what could happen to them or someone else through their actions. We have to consider what makes juveniles do what they do. The video highlighted several "criteria" such as juveniles coming from single parents or a two parent household, education level and how economically stable the family is. From the several videos we have watched in class, incarceration is a fight for your life and encouraged aggression to survive. Of course there are exceptions to giving youth or first time offenders hard time, like when they murder, rape, and in serious assault cases, I could see hard time being the punishment. Morton456
i agree with you that put these young offenders in prison does not always work. our criminal justice system have to figure out how to help these youth offenders or create a better juvenile system, instead of punishing them like the way they are doing in this video. i think if you murder or rape someone you should be serve time for it. soccerboy456
Children who are found guilty of a crime should, for the most part, be sentenced to a juvenile corrections program. The exception would be children around the age of 15 or older who commit particularly heinous crimes and are a threat to society regardless of what treatment they undergo. Otherwise, its pointless to sentence them to serve hard time. By taking these child offenders and attempting to reform them and teach them the proper way to behave in life we can stop them from becoming habitual offenders. Like the information in the other thread said, children from Colorado's juvenile program were unlikely to reoffend. But if they are placed in an adult institution its almost guaranteed they will reoffend.- Anonemoose456
I was shocked to know that in U.S nearly 10,000 kids are serving time in adult prison. some of these kids are first time offenders and they are serving 25 or 30 years in prison for they first time crime. i think rehabilitation programs or intermediate sanctions will help these youth offenders instead just throw them in prison. what to expect in this environment is not like where these kids came so i think our criminal justice system should handle them differently, not like an adults. kids are still kids. I still believe that everybody should be responsible for what you have done. soccerboy456
I am glad that I read the YOS article first. This video puts into great perspective that the youth criminal justice system needs a huge overhaul! First time offenders like the Lundy kids friend that received a 25 year sentence for his crime should never happen. Even the counselor agrees that it has helped and he is just pray to the predictors in prisons. The repeat offenders that have been given a second and third or even a fourth chance on their future should be held accountable for their crimes.
I think that juveniles should get hard time because it will discourge other kids from commiting the same crimes. I think juveniles are alot more dangrous than older criminals because they get a bigger high when committing the crime. When you are a teenager tou think your invincible. One of the kids in the video said he thought he would get sent to juvenile detention instead he got 36 years. If kids knew they would get a longer sentence they would be less likely to committe crimes. If a kid knows right from wrong then they should get the same sentence as an adult. Snapple456
Hard time will not work for first offenders, I don't care what the charges are. Juveniles are still developing and will don't truly understand the concept of doing these crimes at the time. Whether its 2 weeks or a month. The crime and there punishments have to have a period to sink in for them to truly understand. Gluecks identified number of traits that can show persistent offending. Family relations, quality of discipline and emotional ties with parents. Kids raised in single parent families, of limited economic means and educational achievements was the most vulnerable to delinquency. Also physical and mental factors play in a role of determining behavior. Sentencing kids with hard time is what they basically say in the video "giving up on the youth in the nation". There needs to be more programs out there to be involved with the kids life's in schools, and teachers/coaches need to have certain characteristics to be able to help kids. Not just on the court or in the class room but to recognize signs of depression, antisocial behaviors, or mental/physical disabilities. To help them cope with life instead what sort of grades they are earning. They are expected to mature and enter the workforce then to marry. Well not everyone mature in the same fashion or at the same time. Delinquents should not be tried as adults and need to be disciplined. When youths are housed in adult jails the likely hood of suicide raises 36 times more likely to commit it. Its a total change of perspective and its a ugly, sick, negative learning environment.
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I don’t think it’s a good idea to give a kid who hasn’t committed many crimes hard time. I less it is murder or attempted murder or rape or something along those lines. I know kids make mistakes but that’s what kids do I think they need to have the chance to learn what they did was wrong I think that they should be able to be released and have another chance at life because if a kid gets hard time his life is ruined and he won’t be able to do anything productive with his life because he would be so used to the prison life. –Football456
ReplyDeleteI don’t think it’s a good idea to give a kid who hasn’t committed many crimes hard time. I less it is murder or attempted murder or rape or something along those lines. I know kids make mistakes but that’s what kids do I think they need to have the chance to learn what they did was wrong I think that they should be able to be released and have another chance at life because if a kid gets hard time his life is ruined and he won’t be able to do anything productive with his life because he would be so used to the prison life. –Football456
ReplyDeleteAge always comes into play. A 6 year old has no concept of fantasy and reality. For all he knows, people have 3 lives cause they do in a particular video game. However when they reach a certain age there has to be a boundary line drawn for those more serious felony cases as you mentioned such as rape and murder. The rest I'm totally on agreement with you football. ChiefO'Keefe456
DeleteAge always comes into play. A 6 year old has no concept of fantasy and reality. For all he knows, people have 3 lives cause they do in a particular video game. However when they reach a certain age there has to be a boundary line drawn for those more serious felony cases as you mentioned such as rape and murder. The rest I'm totally on agreement with you football. ChiefO'Keefe456
DeleteLike ChiefO'Keefe said age always comes into play. We cannot expect a 8 year old to know whats right or wrong like we can expect a 16+ aged teen to know. I also agree with the video game reference he made, seeing how kids could think people have "multiple lives" and can respawn in a different location and be perfectly fine. There is no need to ruin a young childs life because of this mistake, why not teach him what is right and wrong and turn him/her into a productive member of society. Morton456
DeleteI don’t think it’s a good idea to give a kid who hasn’t committed many crimes hard time. I less it is murder or attempted murder or rape or something along those lines. I know kids make mistakes but that’s what kids do I think they need to have the chance to learn what they did was wrong I think that they should be able to be released and have another chance at life because if a kid gets hard time his life is ruined and he won’t be able to do anything productive with his life because he would be so used to the prison life. –Football456
ReplyDeleteI agree with you, however I don't see your kids will be kids theory to be substantial enough to keep them from being placed in a correctional facility. Having them placed in a position to learn from their mistakes is vital, but not at the expense of public safety.
DeleteThere has to be an alternative to taking a kid that's 12 and trying him as an adult. The show didn't do well to show how he felt about our if he knew what exactly he did to find himself in his predicament. Knowing that 36% of juveniles commit suicide in adult prison isn't surprising at all. Knowing that they will be defenseless it may appear that the only option they have is death. I'm not saying that people who commit heinous crimes don't need to be reprimanded, but placing a child in prison with vultures isn't going to help him. If any thing it will hinder him.
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I agree that twelve is too young to sentence a child to hard time in prison. The intentions behind giving him an adult sentence is to ensure he is unable to offend while he is incarcerated. But unless he cracks under the pressure and commits suicide like so many of these children do, he will be released one day; and he'll be no better for the time he served. Having him complete a juvenile program would save large amounts of money and give him another chance at life, despite his mistakes.- Anonemoose456
DeleteIt isn't necessarily best to impose hard time onto first offenders for the sole fact that these juveniles don't truly understand the consequences to the actions they have committed. They are going through a key stage of their life when they are growing and (with any hope) maturing and grasping the concept of right and wrong, pro's and con's, benefits and consequences. The criminal behavior can't be blamed upon just the child's decision making alone, but other factors. The video mentioned many, but the major ones are family (single parent/two parent homes), education and economic stability within the family unit. By imposing hard time on youthful offenders, I believe it will only cause aggression and anger that could lead to the possible uprising of more criminal activity to come. ChiefO'Keefe456
ReplyDeleteWhat you are saying is correct. However, with a developing child there are 4 key factors in their life. (Family, media, peers and school) a good home life thatis involved in all of them could help. I know there are the exception to every rule like a single mom trying to work for a roof and food for her child. It is hard for her to get the best involvement and help cure any bad behavior. Programs after school like the boys and girls club are one way to get the right track. Money is ALWAYS the issue when it comes to anything and is needed for things such as that. With all that said, I do agree with what you are saying, just that there has to be mor to hold accountable when pro acting the child
DeleteIt isn't necessarily best to impose hard time onto first offenders for the sole fact that these juveniles don't truly understand the consequences to the actions they have committed. They are going through a key stage of their life when they are growing and (with any hope) maturing and grasping the concept of right and wrong, pro's and con's, benefits and consequences. The criminal behavior can't be blamed upon just the child's decision making alone, but other factors. The video mentioned many, but the major ones are family (single parent/two parent homes), education and economic stability within the family unit. By imposing hard time on youthful offenders, I believe it will only cause aggression and anger that could lead to the possible uprising of more criminal activity to come. ChiefO'Keefe456
ReplyDeleteI think that these kids do understand that their actions have consequences. By the time you were 12 or 13 you understood that if you killed someone you would get sent to prison. When we send kids to juvenile detention for murder we are telling them its ok to kill someone.
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I think we have found out that hard time in lock down is not always the best and sometimes, it does not work. Imposing hard time to first time offenders is not necessary, when sometimes some of the juveniles do not understand just what could happen to them or someone else through their actions. We have to consider what makes juveniles do what they do. The video highlighted several "criteria" such as juveniles coming from single parents or a two parent household, education level and how economically stable the family is. From the several videos we have watched in class, incarceration is a fight for your life and encouraged aggression to survive. Of course there are exceptions to giving youth or first time offenders hard time, like when they murder, rape, and in serious assault cases, I could see hard time being the punishment. Morton456
ReplyDeletei agree with you that put these young offenders in prison does not always work. our criminal justice system have to figure out how to help these youth offenders or create a better juvenile system, instead of punishing them like the way they are doing in this video. i think if you murder or rape someone you should be serve time for it. soccerboy456
DeleteChildren who are found guilty of a crime should, for the most part, be sentenced to a juvenile corrections program. The exception would be children around the age of 15 or older who commit particularly heinous crimes and are a threat to society regardless of what treatment they undergo. Otherwise, its pointless to sentence them to serve hard time. By taking these child offenders and attempting to reform them and teach them the proper way to behave in life we can stop them from becoming habitual offenders. Like the information in the other thread said, children from Colorado's juvenile program were unlikely to reoffend. But if they are placed in an adult institution its almost guaranteed they will reoffend.- Anonemoose456
ReplyDeleteI was shocked to know that in U.S nearly 10,000 kids are serving time in adult prison. some of these kids are first time offenders and they are serving 25 or 30 years in prison for they first time crime. i think rehabilitation programs or intermediate sanctions will help these youth offenders instead just throw them in prison. what to expect in this environment is not like where these kids came so i think our criminal justice system should handle them differently, not like an adults. kids are still kids. I still believe that everybody should be responsible for what you have done. soccerboy456
ReplyDeleteI am glad that I read the YOS article first. This video puts into great perspective that the youth criminal justice system needs a huge overhaul! First time offenders like the Lundy kids friend that received a 25 year sentence for his crime should never happen. Even the counselor agrees that it has helped and he is just pray to the predictors in prisons. The repeat offenders that have been given a second and third or even a fourth chance on their future should be held accountable for their crimes.
ReplyDeleteI think that juveniles should get hard time because it will discourge other kids from commiting the same crimes. I think juveniles are alot more dangrous than older criminals because they get a bigger high when committing the crime. When you are a teenager tou think your invincible. One of the kids in the video said he thought he would get sent to juvenile detention instead he got 36 years. If kids knew they would get a longer sentence they would be less likely to committe crimes. If a kid knows right from wrong then they should get the same sentence as an adult.
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