This video really shocked me. i just cant believe the only option Oklahoma have these kids is prison. it's the proving fact sending these kids to prison is not helping them or the society. We are the greatest nation on the earth and we have no better option for our juveniles. like one girl said in the video she been in the system for 9 times. over 50% of these kids come in prison at least 6 times. we need to have intermediate sanctions or community corrections for these young offenders. i believe there have to be more options than prison because prison is not going to make them productive citizens to our society. SOCCERBOY456
You made some really sound points soccerboy. The statistics for the amount of offenders who return to the juvenile system after their first arrest is outrageous! And why is it like this? Because it is becoming similar to what the adult correctional facilities have been facing for years and years now. Trying to lock up individuals as a "deterrence" rather than give the people the help they need. And lets assume they implement programs in the future. For example, if for every 20 juveniles who goes through a program, if they could at least correct 4-5 of those individuals behaviors, we would see the numbers of juveniles incarcerated from a current 2,000 individuals a year get reduced to 1600-1500 individuals a year. This would relieve a lot of stress from the staff working in the juvenile correction facility and the surrounding communities as well. ChiefO'Keefe456
i agree with everything you are saying. it is sad that a state in the greatest nation has no better options for a juvenile except for a gateway to adult prison. the 80/20 rule in this situation is exponentially higher. when half are returning at least 6 times. there are going to need dramatic changes and in the way children are treated! i just cannot wrap my mind around the fact that the country is wanting a change in the way children are treated while in the court system but are doing nothing when they are in a detention facility.
It was incredibly disheartening to see the Oklahoma County Juvenile Detention facility refereed to as the "gateway" to the state prison system. Everyone in the video states that the only way these children can change their delinquent behavior is to find "alternatives" to incarceration. Some of the things that they wanted to implement were half way housing for non violent offenders and even the possibility of having a ranch, which could potentially teach these children a set of skills that they could carry on into their adult lives as productive members of society. However, this is easier said than done. In the last 4 years, the Oklahoma County Juvenile Detention center budget had decreased by 9% due to lack of funding from outside contributors (state/federal gov't., ect.). I believe everything starts at childhood. Everything from values to discipline and even work ethic. These set you on the right track for success and anything learned after this in adult life only builds upon the values you have already learned. Repeat offenders in the adult prison system are, in my own personal opinion, a lost cause for the most part. The state prison system should eliminate some of their programs to make room and for rehabilitation and development at the juvenile level. ChiefO'Keefe456
I think that it would be a good idea to have a ranch or other alternative programs. You mentioned that these kids need to learn about values and work ethics and right now the only values these kids are learning is prison values. Most people think that kids need an education which I agree with but these kids also need to be taught good strong values to live their life by. Snapple456
If you have a Detention facility, especially a Juvenile Detention facility referred to as a gateway to the state prison system, there is something going horribly wrong in your state. Time and time again we have seen that there are better alternatives to incarceration that also work better than incarceration. Like soccerboy said "We are the greatest nation on the earth and we have no better option for our juveniles." It is truly disheartening that we do not have more, or at least better, options for our youth OUR FUTURE. Over 50% of those children in the video come back to detention facilities at least 6 times, that is insane. Adult offenders are a "lost cause", I would have to agree with what ChiefO'Keefe said. They are lost, there is no helping people who keep repeating at an adult age, but this just shows that if we can get youth on the right track earlier, the better chance they have on living a productive life outside of detention centers. -Morton456
Wow…. I can’t believe the numbers from this. This is all so crazy to me they intended to make things the way they have them so kids won’t want to reoffend but yet the girl in the beginning has reoffended nine times… more than half of the kids come back six times. I thought they put kids in prison to make tem not want to come back… even the former administrator Lawrence Hicks admitted that they need more alternatives for the kids so they can try and better themselves. They need to open up more opportunities for the kids so they can have that adult figure or that older person in their life to show them right from wrong. There not going to get that remodel in prison there just going to keep getting their selves in trouble trying to boost their ego and trying to get more attention form people. Football456
For Oklahoma County to only have one option for juveniles and that being incarcerated it’s ridiculous. With those kids being locked up as a child in an adult prison is only making them accustomed them to the system. Trying to break the cycle behind bars has to have an alternative to having a jail mentality. With the 80/20 rule usually in affect, this may be even higher than the average without the children getting support. The dream facility looks like a great plan. With one part of that plan being that they will separate the inmates by having a halfway house for kids with less severe cases. The general deterrence concept may not have helped these kids in the system currently, but it may the ones on the outside. Maybe friends of these kids locked up may see how they go straight to jail with no other options. Though the courts are supposed to look out for the best interest of the child, Parens Pariae, his obviously is not the best option. The delinquents in Oklahoma County may not have had a chance before being incarcerated, but less of an opportunity to be rehabilitated. Military 456
I cannot fathom what that would do to the moral of a child put in that kind of environment. it would have to be demeaning to them physiologically and spiritually. hopefully there will be something done to help reduce the number of returning juveniles. Half of all that go threw the doors of that system come back. the one girl that was interviewed was there 9 times. if a former administrator of the facility is saying there needs to be other alternatives, there must me some serious downfalls. why can the Oklahoma County not put in place other alternatives? is there excuse money problems like the rest of the country? if they want these children to have a chance to succeed in life they need to put outreach programs in place ASAP!
I think that these kids need to have more options. One of the kids mentioned that he had no hope. I think that it can be dangerous when a kid feels like there is no hope because the kid may feel like they need to turn to gangs which can offer them hope and support. It is a program that is not working. One of the reasons the prison has no money is that the kids keep coming back. If the prison offers a successful rehabilitation program it could help save money in the long run. Snapple456
This video really shocked me. i just cant believe the only option Oklahoma have these kids is prison. it's the proving fact sending these kids to prison is not helping them or the society. We are the greatest nation on the earth and we have no better option for our juveniles. like one girl said in the video she been in the system for 9 times. over 50% of these kids come in prison at least 6 times. we need to have intermediate sanctions or community corrections for these young offenders. i believe there have to be more options than prison because prison is not going to make them productive citizens to our society. SOCCERBOY456
ReplyDeleteYou made some really sound points soccerboy. The statistics for the amount of offenders who return to the juvenile system after their first arrest is outrageous! And why is it like this? Because it is becoming similar to what the adult correctional facilities have been facing for years and years now. Trying to lock up individuals as a "deterrence" rather than give the people the help they need. And lets assume they implement programs in the future. For example, if for every 20 juveniles who goes through a program, if they could at least correct 4-5 of those individuals behaviors, we would see the numbers of juveniles incarcerated from a current 2,000 individuals a year get reduced to 1600-1500 individuals a year. This would relieve a lot of stress from the staff working in the juvenile correction facility and the surrounding communities as well. ChiefO'Keefe456
Deletei agree with everything you are saying. it is sad that a state in the greatest nation has no better options for a juvenile except for a gateway to adult prison. the 80/20 rule in this situation is exponentially higher. when half are returning at least 6 times. there are going to need dramatic changes and in the way children are treated! i just cannot wrap my mind around the fact that the country is wanting a change in the way children are treated while in the court system but are doing nothing when they are in a detention facility.
DeleteIt was incredibly disheartening to see the Oklahoma County Juvenile Detention facility refereed to as the "gateway" to the state prison system. Everyone in the video states that the only way these children can change their delinquent behavior is to find "alternatives" to incarceration. Some of the things that they wanted to implement were half way housing for non violent offenders and even the possibility of having a ranch, which could potentially teach these children a set of skills that they could carry on into their adult lives as productive members of society. However, this is easier said than done. In the last 4 years, the Oklahoma County Juvenile Detention center budget had decreased by 9% due to lack of funding from outside contributors (state/federal gov't., ect.). I believe everything starts at childhood. Everything from values to discipline and even work ethic. These set you on the right track for success and anything learned after this in adult life only builds upon the values you have already learned. Repeat offenders in the adult prison system are, in my own personal opinion, a lost cause for the most part. The state prison system should eliminate some of their programs to make room and for rehabilitation and development at the juvenile level. ChiefO'Keefe456
ReplyDeleteI think that it would be a good idea to have a ranch or other alternative programs. You mentioned that these kids need to learn about values and work ethics and right now the only values these kids are learning is prison values. Most people think that kids need an education which I agree with but these kids also need to be taught good strong values to live their life by.
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If you have a Detention facility, especially a Juvenile Detention facility referred to as a gateway to the state prison system, there is something going horribly wrong in your state. Time and time again we have seen that there are better alternatives to incarceration that also work better than incarceration. Like soccerboy said "We are the greatest nation on the earth and we have no better option for our juveniles." It is truly disheartening that we do not have more, or at least better, options for our youth OUR FUTURE. Over 50% of those children in the video come back to detention facilities at least 6 times, that is insane. Adult offenders are a "lost cause", I would have to agree with what ChiefO'Keefe said. They are lost, there is no helping people who keep repeating at an adult age, but this just shows that if we can get youth on the right track earlier, the better chance they have on living a productive life outside of detention centers. -Morton456
ReplyDeleteWow…. I can’t believe the numbers from this. This is all so crazy to me they intended to make things the way they have them so kids won’t want to reoffend but yet the girl in the beginning has reoffended nine times… more than half of the kids come back six times. I thought they put kids in prison to make tem not want to come back… even the former administrator Lawrence Hicks admitted that they need more alternatives for the kids so they can try and better themselves. They need to open up more opportunities for the kids so they can have that adult figure or that older person in their life to show them right from wrong. There not going to get that remodel in prison there just going to keep getting their selves in trouble trying to boost their ego and trying to get more attention form people. Football456
ReplyDeleteFor Oklahoma County to only have one option for juveniles and that being incarcerated it’s ridiculous. With those kids being locked up as a child in an adult prison is only making them accustomed them to the system. Trying to break the cycle behind bars has to have an alternative to having a jail mentality. With the 80/20 rule usually in affect, this may be even higher than the average without the children getting support. The dream facility looks like a great plan. With one part of that plan being that they will separate the inmates by having a halfway house for kids with less severe cases. The general deterrence concept may not have helped these kids in the system currently, but it may the ones on the outside. Maybe friends of these kids locked up may see how they go straight to jail with no other options. Though the courts are supposed to look out for the best interest of the child, Parens Pariae, his obviously is not the best option. The delinquents in Oklahoma County may not have had a chance before being incarcerated, but less of an opportunity to be rehabilitated. Military 456
ReplyDeleteI cannot fathom what that would do to the moral of a child put in that kind of environment. it would have to be demeaning to them physiologically and spiritually. hopefully there will be something done to help reduce the number of returning juveniles. Half of all that go threw the doors of that system come back. the one girl that was interviewed was there 9 times. if a former administrator of the facility is saying there needs to be other alternatives, there must me some serious downfalls. why can the Oklahoma County not put in place other alternatives? is there excuse money problems like the rest of the country? if they want these children to have a chance to succeed in life they need to put outreach programs in place ASAP!
ReplyDeleteI think that these kids need to have more options. One of the kids mentioned that he had no hope. I think that it can be dangerous when a kid feels like there is no hope because the kid may feel like they need to turn to gangs which can offer them hope and support. It is a program that is not working. One of the reasons the prison has no money is that the kids keep coming back. If the prison offers a successful rehabilitation program it could help save money in the long run.
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