I feel the society we live in now is sort of a market society because some of the things he mentioned that the u.s doesn't have is very true. For example, we don't have a national healthcare system, not even for the children , we don't have enough job programs or full employment. One big thing that stuck out to me in the video is that he mentions the absence of regulating the possession of firearms , that is SO true because if had someone taking care of it their wouldn't be so many shootings in the city of Chicago alone. Quinney facts about keeping people in prion made lots of sense to me.Crime can only be ended with the ending of suffering......keeping them in jail wont make them change just gives them all the time in the world to think of another way to do something and how to do it without getting caught . i think thats great how everyone sees how were treated by the gov't because we need to all come together . cashes456
I have to say I disagree with what cashes456 has to say. Although our system does have a lot of faults and there is much room for improvement in it. Harsher gun control laws are not the answer. Yes, I do believe that the government should issue background checks before issuing a FOID to someone. However, if the right for law abiding citizens to carry a firearm was to be taken away then the only people with guns would be police officers and criminals. The ratio of police officer to citizens is approximately 1 to 10,000. It is absurd to think it even possible for a officer to serve and protect that many people at the same time all the time. And because it is impossible to know when someone is going to be mugged, murdered, assaulted, kidnapped, or raped a officer would have to protect someone at every moment of every day. So, why not let the people who are not convicted criminal or legally mentally ill protect themselves? There is more information about how harsher gun control laws are counterproductive in crime control at http://www.theacru.org/harvard_study_gun_control_is_counterproductive/. EMS_TACTICS456
I disagree with cashes456. The United States government has very strict gun laws, especially recently after mass shooing. Also although not all prisoners change in prison, a large amount change their lifestyle and attempt to live a better life once they get out. Nobody wants to get locked back up after doing 3-5 or worse. LA456
i also disagree with cashes456. i feel as though that it should be easier to get firearms for citizens that don't have a criminal backgrounds i also find it ignorant that you have to be 21 to get your FOID card. i think when your 18 you should get because if i can join the army and die for my country i should be able to protect myself when im walking down the street. - ThatGuy456
More restrictions on firearms is not the answer. Criminals always have that fear that they are not the only ones with a gun. The fact that they might end up in a shoot out say during a burglary, that might give them that much more reason not to commit the crime. JAC456
I agree with some points & as well disagree with some points. With the restriction of the firearms, isn't going to make a difference. No matter how hard you try to regulate firearms there's always going to be another criminal getting a hold of one someway, somehow. Now I do agree if the restriction was handled, but separately throughout the state, then Chicago would have less murders. Also I agree with ThatGuy456, if i can sign up with military to my gamble my life for my country, then I should be able to carry wherever, whenever. Johnnysavage309456
I disagree with cashes456 on the statement regarding firearms. The state of Illinois regulates firearms to the extreme. The issue is not government regulation of firearms but the simple fact criminals will always use and have illegal guns. There is no way around it, criminals will never follow gun laws. As a future law enforcement officer, this scares me. All you have to do is turn on the news and it seems you hear about a law enforcement officer being shot. This scares me to death and I know it scares my parents, but as I said the solution is not the federal regulation of guns, we need to prevent criminals from getting ILLEGAL guns. I do however, agree that just placing someone in prison typically does not stop recidivism. There needs to be a balance between the money spent on prisoners and the steps we take to help them. I hope eventually we, as a society, can strive for equality in the criminal justice system between the economic gap of the upper and lower classes. Marsh456.
The video was very informational, it covered many views on crime and its causes. It also mentioned the terms bourgeoisie, which is basically a term for a boss, and proletariat, a term for a worker/laborer. One of the parts of the video that stuck out to me was when it stated that Bonger basically said that a capitalist society tend to breed crime. It also mentioned how the lower proletariat tends to feel the strain of separation from society and can be predisposed to extreme poverty and potentially crime. Then it goes on to mention that poverty can predispose someone to doing poorly in school, which is not true in all cases but could be in some. I do have to say to an extent I disagreed with the theories Quinney proposed. I feel that in theory his ideas could work but there are some criminals who deserve to sit in jail forever and not feel the compassion of society. I can assure you that the harsh and quick punishments that are applied to criminals are what stop many people from becoming criminals. For example, I am scared to death of getting a ticket, so I do not speed. Choice theory at its finest, I know if I were to speed that I would get caught for speeding and would receive a ticket for it. I do feel that in some situations people who commit a specific crime, such as stealing a loaf of bread because they are starving are not criminals, they are survivalists. But to play devils' advocate, there are local food shelters and other places these people could go for help, in most cases. The one thing I have learned so far in this class is that there is a balance and exception to every situation but at the end of the day perceiving the law takes common sense, understanding, and discretion. Marsh456.
I agree with Marsh456, the video was informational. I do feel poverty does in a great deal predisposes someone to do poorly in school; a lot of cases it does. The limited resources that are available to the poor communities, the environment, the lack of teachers in some of the schools, and not having the encouragement/support needed at home. Those are all things kids are having to deal with in poorer communities. I also agree with you in Quinney's theory being a good idea but wouldn't work for all criminals. Some criminals seem to not care about the outcome of their decision on committing a crime. It 's like jail time doesn't phase them. So I say for those types of crimal, they don't deserve peace. They just have to suffer the consequences of their actions.
One thing that seriously stuck out to me was Quinney's point of view. I believe that peaceful methods should always be the first resort in any situation. However, in our world there are evil people. I am not talking about the people that steal because they can not afford food for themselves or their children. I am talking about the people that brutally murder because it gives them a since of control or power, or force women to have intercourse with men because it is an easy profit for them. Those people will not respond to peace. If you went to a serial rapist and asked really nicely, "Would you, please, stop forcing yourself into women whom do not wish to have intercourse with you? It really is not a nice thing and the more peaceful way to get your urges out would be to find someone who wants to be with you or to go to a gentlemen's club. So, could you, please, not force any more women to have intercourse with you?" That criminal would probably force himself on you. Criminals that get their high from over powering someone or something, or destroying someone or something do not and will not respond to peaceful rehabilitation, ever. They do not or will not understand peace and/or they do not or will not care about being a peaceful productive part of society. EMS_TACTICS456
I believe our biggest crime problem is the areas deemed “lower class.” In these areas people struggle to maintain a decent job and by the time their children are old enough for a job they already have a record and are almost forced to continue illegal activities. Like the video said, honesty is only valued as long as it does not interfere with a person’s advantage. They have no choice but to live a dishonest life. When it comes to Quinney and his theories I almost have to disagree and say that certain people do not deserve to be out of jail or out of their cell for that matter. People like rapist and child killers one hundred percent do not deserve to ever see the light of day again. Even if they have changed while in prison they need to pay for the damage that was done when they committed their crime. LA456
I agree with LA456, the areas of town where not a lot of people have jobs is where the most crimes are because in a way they feel like what they are doing to survive isn't considered a crime, but in reality it is. Those that live in the community where mostly everyone is employed they have no reason to steal to survive because they already have what they need and aren't stressing. me456
I agree with LA456 because most crime does happen in the lower class and when they do little crimes such as drinking and driving or doing drugs, they get a long time in jail as where people who have the means to do whatever they want, such as Lindsay Lohan, get out within a few days and go to a treatment facility where there are lavish places to see and activities to do, it kind of makes everyone who is from that lower class get mad. Same crime, they SHOULD get the same time. Is that the case? No. People with money, more often than not, get whatever they want, because money is what everyone wants and that's what they have to barter their way out of crimes which people without it can't do. Detect456
I think through out history the rich has always been taking advantage of the poor or mistreating the laws. You could even say that the rich make the laws in a way. Modern day capitalism is not much different then the upper chain in France during the French Revolution in the late 1700s. the rich still look down on the poor as scum and as lesser human beings who commit most of the crimes but in reality they're the ones committing the worst of the crimes people can commit, including murder! You could honestly compare the wealthy 1% of today to the tyrant kings of the past basically on how they view the world as theirs. They keep most of the money to themselves and get away with almost anything while if a kid from the south end is literally starving and the only thing he can do to survive is selling drugs from time to time he could get years in prison just because he didn't want to die of poverty. This is what makes our economy backwards, we worship the wealthy criminals and look down on the poor survivors. Hopefully, one day just like the French Revolution we will have a reform in how justice is served. lacrossedude456
I agree with lacrossedude456 because in our society we don't think much of a wealthy person who commits a crime but we look down on someone in the lower class that commits the same crime. A kid from a wealthy household can be drunk and high and commit vehicular manslaughter and get off it scot-free. If someone that did not have money like his family did then they would have been sent to jail for the rest of their lives. The rich should not be glamorized in their crime, they should be treated as equals in our society. Birdman 456
i feel as though the way he is describing the way people selling their "labor" is like the U.S. is a giant nation of gangsters. but in a way it is true. i think that people with money should not be able to run this country so easily. but i know that it is never going to change unless the people do something about it themselves. and on a different topic on gun control the age limit to get a FOID should be changed back to 18. i know plenty of 18 year olds who live by themselves and have no way of protecting their self besides a bat. if someone breaks into where they are living how are they going to protect them self if the intruder has a gun they're not! its a real sham that it has come to this and i for one don't care what the law says i will do whatever it takes to survive that situation. -ThatGuy456
I think in the capitalist system that being in the working class, like the proletariats, will cause more stress in society because of the upper class taking advantage of them for their own personal gains, this can be emphasized in the stress model. Being dependent on the upper class can be stressful because the upper class can use the workers in any way they want that will benefit themselves. They do not pay their workers their full potential because if they did that then they would not make any money; they pay the lower class only part of their value so that they can make more money. This causes stress in society and that can lead to revolt of the lower class. This pressure to the lower class can send people into crime so that they may satisfy their personal needs. Birdman456
I think that this video was very informative and helped understand many of the possible viewpoints for the causes of crimes. I agree that a capitalist society will tend to create more crime. Poverty does have strong effects on crime, and how someone will do in school. Of course not all cases of this are true, there are many successful people that I know personally that have derived from a house hold enduring poverty. A lot of times what stops people from being, or doing bad, is the consequences they hear others having to endure. Which is why find ourselves hearing about the same small crimes being done over and over again, rather than the larger ones, or the crimes that our worse. Peaceful methods aren't always the best result, because some people just don't seem to react to them. But they aren't always a bad idea. -chev456
I agree with the very beginning of this video about crime being political. Things that the wealthy do that are crimes and get away with are the things that the less wealthy get slammed for by the police. The rich people don't have to worry about getting caught like the less wealthy people have to. It happens all the time these days, those who's famous would either get off or get less time committing a crime than if just a normal person would do. Colvin's theory is a little confusing but I understand some parts and those parts stand out and seems right to me. The part about different behaviors is more understanding to me. me456
I thought the video was very informational. I agreed with some of the things talked about in the video. Like the Bonger theory. He said that poor people crimes is considered a crime and the rich people crimes are considered not a crime. That is so true. It’s a shame but a fact that poor people are convicted of a crime quicker than a rich person is. If you have the money, it’s easier to get out of trouble. You can afford the best attorney. If you’re poor than chances are you will remain in trouble. Poorer people don’t have the money to afford good attorneys; or to live in good communities; or have good resources and positive outlets for their children. It’s true, poverty does foster’s crime. People feel they have to do bad things and take from others in order to survive. They feel like if robbing or stealing from someone is what it’s going to take for me to survive, then that is what I have to do. Red456
I have to agree to this too. The bad thing in my opinion is that I feel like some people are forced into the crimes, either through blackmail or other means. I also know that if they are forced to commit the crime there is another person getting away with it without any fault on his/her part once-so-ever. UNSC456
I’d have to agree with Quinney. I think that crime is caused by people suffering and looking for a way out of it. So the only way they can find out of the suffering and no money is to commit crimes to get money so therefore their forced into it. That’s not to say that everyone is forced into crime if they need help but that means their more likely to do it. As we learned the more inner the “circle” the more crime there is generally. But that’s because there isn’t enough money to go around for everything and because of that people have to resort to helping other people with illegal favors. There are also cases where people are forced to help others do criminal deeds rather it’s from gunpoint or something else like blackmail. So not everyone is a criminal no matter what anyone says in my opinion. UNSC456
In my opinion, peace isn't always the answer for crime. There are always those people that don't want things to be peaceful, they thrive on chaos. No matter how hard you try to make peace among people, it will never happen, in order for it to happen, everyone would have to be selfless, but that is impossible because we are human. We all have our needs and wants that most of the time we put before others, it can't be helped. Some people answer to kindness, and some people answer to punishment. JAC456
I definitely agree/disagree with you on this, because its pretty much half of my argument on my post, but I think most prisoners, whether they go to a counselor or get help, will do the same stuff when they get out of prison. Then again I also think there is a handful of people who do just need some love and compassion to help them so maybe they wont do wrong anymore. Mijo456
I thought the video was informal by breaking down the theories further into better knowledge. I know the bogner theory deals with the emotion, but my personal opinion, in order to commit any crime emotion is going to play a role in it, no matter what. But as well as it shows how stereotypical crime can be with class. I believe if you a commit a crime as a poor person, you get whats coming to you by the courts. same way if you're rich, there shouldn't be a discretion or mercy rule on you if your commit a crime. If you police one, police all. Not just one class because that person is less fortunate than the next. Now to refer to the quinney theory, I think more than just peace would lower crime. Some people out in society takes peace & kindness as a weakness, that's when criminals seem to strike more. johnnysavage309456
I never really thought about it before, but we are surviving to live in society. We have to sell our labor to be able to have a roof over our head, food on the table, and clothes on our back. The bourgeoisie don't have to work as hard as the proletariat, because even if something with their job may happen (if they have one), they will know that they are backed by some money. The rich people who get their money handed down to them, such as Paris Hilton, can do whatever they want because they have money and don't have to work for it which makes me mad. These people are what most people in society think of when they think of rich people who have money as well as politicians, but there are people who have money that worked for it which I give them respect because they started out in the same position as I am. Dale Carnegie and Arnold Schwarzenegger were both poor and didn't have much, even less than I have, but look at them when they got older. They both made a way when there seemed to be no way. Although rich people get on my nerves because most don't really have to work for their money, there is some hope that someone can go from dirt poor to filthy rich when they put their mind to it. In my opinion, the bourgeoisie and proletarian work together in society even though it's not always good for the lower class one of the two, but every once in a while you get that story that gives the working man some hope in the structure of the way money works. Detect456
I think this video is very educational because it does tell the truth about our society. It pretty much says that the rich can commit these crimes and the courts aren't so hard on them, or maybe hey even get away with it. Then the poor or less fortunate do something and the courts do everything they can to imprison them or something along those lines. Overall I think Quinney's theory was the best because it's very true how having peace and showing the prisoner love and compassion could better him/her in the long run. Then again I feel like some people do crimes just because they like the adrenaline and get a high from it. So I guess you could say its a kinda cat and mouse game with the whole peace situation. Then again a lot of people don't think peace is a way to stop crime, because I feel like you hear a lot of people saying how prisons are't hard enough on prisoners and that more people should be imprisoned so I feel that its a sticky subject manner. Mijo456
This video had a strong point in the biginning about crime being very political. I believe that this point was very accurate. Crime is based on politics. The higher up you are on the "food chain" the less likely you are to get into trouble. The lower you are in society, the more you are look down on, and you have more of a possibility of getting in trouble. Just the fact that you are low in society, people automatically think that you must do bad things, or you must commit crime. Though this may not always be the case, I feel that this is kind of a theme in modern society. There were many theories that went along with this. I also liked how detailed Quinney's explanation was. -racer11p_456
I feel the society we live in now is sort of a market society because some of the things he mentioned that the u.s doesn't have is very true. For example, we don't have a national healthcare system, not even for the children , we don't have enough job programs or full employment. One big thing that stuck out to me in the video is that he mentions the absence of regulating the possession of firearms , that is SO true because if had someone taking care of it their wouldn't be so many shootings in the city of Chicago alone. Quinney facts about keeping people in prion made lots of sense to me.Crime can only be ended with the ending of suffering......keeping them in jail wont make them change just gives them all the time in the world to think of another way to do something and how to do it without getting caught . i think thats great how everyone sees how were treated by the gov't because we need to all come together . cashes456
ReplyDeleteI have to say I disagree with what cashes456 has to say. Although our system does have a lot of faults and there is much room for improvement in it. Harsher gun control laws are not the answer. Yes, I do believe that the government should issue background checks before issuing a FOID to someone. However, if the right for law abiding citizens to carry a firearm was to be taken away then the only people with guns would be police officers and criminals. The ratio of police officer to citizens is approximately 1 to 10,000. It is absurd to think it even possible for a officer to serve and protect that many people at the same time all the time. And because it is impossible to know when someone is going to be mugged, murdered, assaulted, kidnapped, or raped a officer would have to protect someone at every moment of every day. So, why not let the people who are not convicted criminal or legally mentally ill protect themselves? There is more information about how harsher gun control laws are counterproductive in crime control at http://www.theacru.org/harvard_study_gun_control_is_counterproductive/. EMS_TACTICS456
DeleteI disagree with cashes456. The United States government has very strict gun laws, especially recently after mass shooing. Also although not all prisoners change in prison, a large amount change their lifestyle and attempt to live a better life once they get out. Nobody wants to get locked back up after doing 3-5 or worse. LA456
Deletei also disagree with cashes456. i feel as though that it should be easier to get firearms for citizens that don't have a criminal backgrounds i also find it ignorant that you have to be 21 to get your FOID card. i think when your 18 you should get because if i can join the army and die for my country i should be able to protect myself when im walking down the street. - ThatGuy456
DeleteMore restrictions on firearms is not the answer. Criminals always have that fear that they are not the only ones with a gun. The fact that they might end up in a shoot out say during a burglary, that might give them that much more reason not to commit the crime. JAC456
DeleteI agree with some points & as well disagree with some points. With the restriction of the firearms, isn't going to make a difference. No matter how hard you try to regulate firearms there's always going to be another criminal getting a hold of one someway, somehow. Now I do agree if the restriction was handled, but separately throughout the state, then Chicago would have less murders. Also I agree with ThatGuy456, if i can sign up with military to my gamble my life for my country, then I should be able to carry wherever, whenever. Johnnysavage309456
DeleteI disagree with cashes456 on the statement regarding firearms. The state of Illinois regulates firearms to the extreme. The issue is not government regulation of firearms but the simple fact criminals will always use and have illegal guns. There is no way around it, criminals will never follow gun laws. As a future law enforcement officer, this scares me. All you have to do is turn on the news and it seems you hear about a law enforcement officer being shot. This scares me to death and I know it scares my parents, but as I said the solution is not the federal regulation of guns, we need to prevent criminals from getting ILLEGAL guns. I do however, agree that just placing someone in prison typically does not stop recidivism. There needs to be a balance between the money spent on prisoners and the steps we take to help them. I hope eventually we, as a society, can strive for equality in the criminal justice system between the economic gap of the upper and lower classes. Marsh456.
ReplyDeleteThe video was very informational, it covered many views on crime and its causes. It also mentioned the terms bourgeoisie, which is basically a term for a boss, and proletariat, a term for a worker/laborer. One of the parts of the video that stuck out to me was when it stated that Bonger basically said that a capitalist society tend to breed crime. It also mentioned how the lower proletariat tends to feel the strain of separation from society and can be predisposed to extreme poverty and potentially crime. Then it goes on to mention that poverty can predispose someone to doing poorly in school, which is not true in all cases but could be in some. I do have to say to an extent I disagreed with the theories Quinney proposed. I feel that in theory his ideas could work but there are some criminals who deserve to sit in jail forever and not feel the compassion of society. I can assure you that the harsh and quick punishments that are applied to criminals are what stop many people from becoming criminals. For example, I am scared to death of getting a ticket, so I do not speed. Choice theory at its finest, I know if I were to speed that I would get caught for speeding and would receive a ticket for it. I do feel that in some situations people who commit a specific crime, such as stealing a loaf of bread because they are starving are not criminals, they are survivalists. But to play devils' advocate, there are local food shelters and other places these people could go for help, in most cases. The one thing I have learned so far in this class is that there is a balance and exception to every situation but at the end of the day perceiving the law takes common sense, understanding, and discretion. Marsh456.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Marsh456, the video was informational. I do feel poverty does in a great deal predisposes someone to do poorly in school; a lot of cases it does. The limited resources that are available to the poor communities, the environment, the lack of teachers in some of the schools, and not having the encouragement/support needed at home. Those are all things kids are having to deal with in poorer communities. I also agree with you in Quinney's theory being a good idea but wouldn't work for all criminals. Some criminals seem to not care about the outcome of their decision on committing a crime. It 's like jail time doesn't phase them. So I say for those types of crimal, they don't deserve peace. They just have to suffer the consequences of their actions.
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DeleteOne thing that seriously stuck out to me was Quinney's point of view. I believe that peaceful methods should always be the first resort in any situation. However, in our world there are evil people. I am not talking about the people that steal because they can not afford food for themselves or their children. I am talking about the people that brutally murder because it gives them a since of control or power, or force women to have intercourse with men because it is an easy profit for them. Those people will not respond to peace. If you went to a serial rapist and asked really nicely, "Would you, please, stop forcing yourself into women whom do not wish to have intercourse with you? It really is not a nice thing and the more peaceful way to get your urges out would be to find someone who wants to be with you or to go to a gentlemen's club. So, could you, please, not force any more women to have intercourse with you?" That criminal would probably force himself on you. Criminals that get their high from over powering someone or something, or destroying someone or something do not and will not respond to peaceful rehabilitation, ever. They do not or will not understand peace and/or they do not or will not care about being a peaceful productive part of society. EMS_TACTICS456
ReplyDeleteI believe our biggest crime problem is the areas deemed “lower class.” In these areas people struggle to maintain a decent job and by the time their children are old enough for a job they already have a record and are almost forced to continue illegal activities. Like the video said, honesty is only valued as long as it does not interfere with a person’s advantage. They have no choice but to live a dishonest life. When it comes to Quinney and his theories I almost have to disagree and say that certain people do not deserve to be out of jail or out of their cell for that matter. People like rapist and child killers one hundred percent do not deserve to ever see the light of day again. Even if they have changed while in prison they need to pay for the damage that was done when they committed their crime. LA456
ReplyDeleteI agree with LA456, the areas of town where not a lot of people have jobs is where the most crimes are because in a way they feel like what they are doing to survive isn't considered a crime, but in reality it is. Those that live in the community where mostly everyone is employed they have no reason to steal to survive because they already have what they need and aren't stressing. me456
DeleteI agree with LA456 because most crime does happen in the lower class and when they do little crimes such as drinking and driving or doing drugs, they get a long time in jail as where people who have the means to do whatever they want, such as Lindsay Lohan, get out within a few days and go to a treatment facility where there are lavish places to see and activities to do, it kind of makes everyone who is from that lower class get mad. Same crime, they SHOULD get the same time. Is that the case? No. People with money, more often than not, get whatever they want, because money is what everyone wants and that's what they have to barter their way out of crimes which people without it can't do. Detect456
DeleteI think through out history the rich has always been taking advantage of the poor or mistreating the laws. You could even say that the rich make the laws in a way. Modern day capitalism is not much different then the upper chain in France during the French Revolution in the late 1700s. the rich still look down on the poor as scum and as lesser human beings who commit most of the crimes but in reality they're the ones committing the worst of the crimes people can commit, including murder! You could honestly compare the wealthy 1% of today to the tyrant kings of the past basically on how they view the world as theirs. They keep most of the money to themselves and get away with almost anything while if a kid from the south end is literally starving and the only thing he can do to survive is selling drugs from time to time he could get years in prison just because he didn't want to die of poverty. This is what makes our economy backwards, we worship the wealthy criminals and look down on the poor survivors. Hopefully, one day just like the French Revolution we will have a reform in how justice is served. lacrossedude456
ReplyDeleteI agree with lacrossedude456 because in our society we don't think much of a wealthy person who commits a crime but we look down on someone in the lower class that commits the same crime. A kid from a wealthy household can be drunk and high and commit vehicular manslaughter and get off it scot-free. If someone that did not have money like his family did then they would have been sent to jail for the rest of their lives. The rich should not be glamorized in their crime, they should be treated as equals in our society. Birdman 456
Deletei feel as though the way he is describing the way people selling their "labor" is like the U.S. is a giant nation of gangsters. but in a way it is true. i think that people with money should not be able to run this country so easily. but i know that it is never going to change unless the people do something about it themselves. and on a different topic on gun control the age limit to get a FOID should be changed back to 18. i know plenty of 18 year olds who live by themselves and have no way of protecting their self besides a bat. if someone breaks into where they are living how are they going to protect them self if the intruder has a gun they're not! its a real sham that it has come to this and i for one don't care what the law says i will do whatever it takes to survive that situation. -ThatGuy456
ReplyDeleteI think in the capitalist system that being in the working class, like the proletariats, will cause more stress in society because of the upper class taking advantage of them for their own personal gains, this can be emphasized in the stress model. Being dependent on the upper class can be stressful because the upper class can use the workers in any way they want that will benefit themselves. They do not pay their workers their full potential because if they did that then they would not make any money; they pay the lower class only part of their value so that they can make more money. This causes stress in society and that can lead to revolt of the lower class. This pressure to the lower class can send people into crime so that they may satisfy their personal needs. Birdman456
ReplyDeleteI think that this video was very informative and helped understand many of the possible viewpoints for the causes of crimes. I agree that a capitalist society will tend to create more crime. Poverty does have strong effects on crime, and how someone will do in school. Of course not all cases of this are true, there are many successful people that I know personally that have derived from a house hold enduring poverty. A lot of times what stops people from being, or doing bad, is the consequences they hear others having to endure. Which is why find ourselves hearing about the same small crimes being done over and over again, rather than the larger ones, or the crimes that our worse. Peaceful methods aren't always the best result, because some people just don't seem to react to them. But they aren't always a bad idea. -chev456
ReplyDeleteI agree with the very beginning of this video about crime being political. Things that the wealthy do that are crimes and get away with are the things that the less wealthy get slammed for by the police. The rich people don't have to worry about getting caught like the less wealthy people have to. It happens all the time these days, those who's famous would either get off or get less time committing a crime than if just a normal person would do. Colvin's theory is a little confusing but I understand some parts and those parts stand out and seems right to me. The part about different behaviors is more understanding to me. me456
ReplyDeleteI thought the video was very informational. I agreed with some of the things talked about in the video. Like the Bonger theory. He said that poor people crimes is considered a crime and the rich people crimes are considered not a crime. That is so true. It’s a shame but a fact that poor people are convicted of a crime quicker than a rich person is. If you have the money, it’s easier to get out of trouble. You can afford the best attorney. If you’re poor than chances are you will remain in trouble. Poorer people don’t have the money to afford good attorneys; or to live in good communities; or have good resources and positive outlets for their children. It’s true, poverty does foster’s crime. People feel they have to do bad things and take from others in order to survive. They feel like if robbing or stealing from someone is what it’s going to take for me to survive, then that is what I have to do. Red456
ReplyDeleteI have to agree to this too. The bad thing in my opinion is that I feel like some people are forced into the crimes, either through blackmail or other means. I also know that if they are forced to commit the crime there is another person getting away with it without any fault on his/her part once-so-ever.
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I’d have to agree with Quinney. I think that crime is caused by people suffering and looking for a way out of it. So the only way they can find out of the suffering and no money is to commit crimes to get money so therefore their forced into it. That’s not to say that everyone is forced into crime if they need help but that means their more likely to do it. As we learned the more inner the “circle” the more crime there is generally. But that’s because there isn’t enough money to go around for everything and because of that people have to resort to helping other people with illegal favors. There are also cases where people are forced to help others do criminal deeds rather it’s from gunpoint or something else like blackmail. So not everyone is a criminal no matter what anyone says in my opinion.
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In my opinion, peace isn't always the answer for crime. There are always those people that don't want things to be peaceful, they thrive on chaos. No matter how hard you try to make peace among people, it will never happen, in order for it to happen, everyone would have to be selfless, but that is impossible because we are human. We all have our needs and wants that most of the time we put before others, it can't be helped. Some people answer to kindness, and some people answer to punishment. JAC456
ReplyDeleteI definitely agree/disagree with you on this, because its pretty much half of my argument on my post, but I think most prisoners, whether they go to a counselor or get help, will do the same stuff when they get out of prison. Then again I also think there is a handful of people who do just need some love and compassion to help them so maybe they wont do wrong anymore. Mijo456
DeleteI thought the video was informal by breaking down the theories further into better knowledge. I know the bogner theory deals with the emotion, but my personal opinion, in order to commit any crime emotion is going to play a role in it, no matter what. But as well as it shows how stereotypical crime can be with class. I believe if you a commit a crime as a poor person, you get whats coming to you by the courts. same way if you're rich, there shouldn't be a discretion or mercy rule on you if your commit a crime. If you police one, police all. Not just one class because that person is less fortunate than the next. Now to refer to the quinney theory, I think more than just peace would lower crime. Some people out in society takes peace & kindness as a weakness, that's when criminals seem to strike more. johnnysavage309456
ReplyDeleteI never really thought about it before, but we are surviving to live in society. We have to sell our labor to be able to have a roof over our head, food on the table, and clothes on our back. The bourgeoisie don't have to work as hard as the proletariat, because even if something with their job may happen (if they have one), they will know that they are backed by some money. The rich people who get their money handed down to them, such as Paris Hilton, can do whatever they want because they have money and don't have to work for it which makes me mad. These people are what most people in society think of when they think of rich people who have money as well as politicians, but there are people who have money that worked for it which I give them respect because they started out in the same position as I am. Dale Carnegie and Arnold Schwarzenegger were both poor and didn't have much, even less than I have, but look at them when they got older. They both made a way when there seemed to be no way. Although rich people get on my nerves because most don't really have to work for their money, there is some hope that someone can go from dirt poor to filthy rich when they put their mind to it. In my opinion, the bourgeoisie and proletarian work together in society even though it's not always good for the lower class one of the two, but every once in a while you get that story that gives the working man some hope in the structure of the way money works. Detect456
ReplyDeleteI think this video is very educational because it does tell the truth about our society. It pretty much says that the rich can commit these crimes and the courts aren't so hard on them, or maybe hey even get away with it. Then the poor or less fortunate do something and the courts do everything they can to imprison them or something along those lines. Overall I think Quinney's theory was the best because it's very true how having peace and showing the prisoner love and compassion could better him/her in the long run. Then again I feel like some people do crimes just because they like the adrenaline and get a high from it. So I guess you could say its a kinda cat and mouse game with the whole peace situation. Then again a lot of people don't think peace is a way to stop crime, because I feel like you hear a lot of people saying how prisons are't hard enough on prisoners and that more people should be imprisoned so I feel that its a sticky subject manner. Mijo456
ReplyDeleteThis video had a strong point in the biginning about crime being very political. I believe that this point was very accurate. Crime is based on politics. The higher up you are on the "food chain" the less likely you are to get into trouble. The lower you are in society, the more you are look down on, and you have more of a possibility of getting in trouble. Just the fact that you are low in society, people automatically think that you must do bad things, or you must commit crime. Though this may not always be the case, I feel that this is kind of a theme in modern society. There were many theories that went along with this. I also liked how detailed Quinney's explanation was. -racer11p_456
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