John came into the situation trying to "do the right thing" in asking for permission to marry Joey. He assumed it would be a difficult task because of he and Joey having a "pigmentation problem", as Joey's father described their situation. Mr. Drayton started off by trying to find out what the Dr. was all about; if his story was true. He came to find out that the Dr. was VERY smart, dedicated to his work and causes and that he was truly a good man. When Mr. Drayton had the conversation with Mrs. Prentice, she brought him back to the main point at hand; that their children were in love and that stands for a lot more than any argument Mr. Drayton could ever put up. It made Mr. Drayton think back to early times with his wife and he remembered what it felt like. It also made him realize that he had gotten off course with HIS wife, that he needed to remember those times and get back to what was important. In the end, Mr. Drayton is basically stating that they don't need his approval for the marriage, he wants them to remember how they feel right now and make sure to not let those feelings slip away, no matter what life throws at them. Kane012
Mr. Drayton comes off being more concerned about what everyone else is society will think of them and how they will be treated. He could be concerned as a father, but its almost like he is concerned like he would find it embarrassing. This movie came at a crucial time for the struggles that were going on. The sociological perspective of interracial relationships was a very controversial issue. Once Mr. Drayton is reminded of the matters of the heart, so to speak, he changes his approach. But its his commanding speech to the group that gets me. Basically his approach was, I am giving you my blessing, and everyone else will follow my opinion. And Mr. Prentiss who feels strongly against the relationship, doesnt bat and eye. Who wouldnt want to be in the strong father role of the 1960's??? MomtoM.L.M.012
In this clip we can start with the traditional authority that Mr. Drayton uses. He has all the power and authority as he stands up to address everyone in his speech. In this time period Mr. Drayton has the most authority not only as the head of household but also because of the race issues. Even though Mr. Drayton is a liberal that has fought for the rights of blacks his whole life, he still feels as if he has more authority than Mr. and Mrs.Prentiss. As far as Patriarchy he gives his wife no chance to even speak. Mr. Drayton speaks for both of them and when he's done he tells everyone it's time to eat and demands Tilly to serve them. It is also important to see the point Mr. Drayton makes concerning the prejudice that Mrs.Prentiss has expressed towards him concerning ageism and that Mr.Drayton is to old to know what the doctor and Joanna are feeling. He makes it clear that this stigma of his age and gender is wrong. Although the Drayton's love has changed over the years it is not gone and the memories of what they've has will never disappear. I think that this is a trait in our society today that is being lost. I've seen a pattern in my lifetime that the people who stick their marriages out through good times and bad establish a love and connection for each other in the later years that makes it all worth while.Camp012
The rule of patriarchy and the times can be seen clearly in this scene. The hedging of his disapproval in the marriage between his daughter and Dr. John make the rest of the audience think that he's going to tell them that they can't get married. But as time goes on and his speech progresses you can tell how each person in the room has affected him throughout the day. The audience can see how far Mr. Drayton has grown from the beginning of the film, by all of the points he touches on in the speech. Mr. Drayton knows the hardships that John and Joey will face in the midst of their marriage and having children, but can see that they love each other just as much as he loves his wife. fire dancer 012
This clip shows us the patriarchy in those times. They all wait and anticipate the fathers words. Feeling and knowing he is the voice and head of reasoning. That what he saids will go. They all gather up, sit , and wait. He starts firm and addressing the people and their views they shared with him. The surprise being the one that hits him is the one by the Dr. mom with her being a woman. Then you see his soft side that it was the one about love that touched him. That everyday life, marriage, kids, career, and the world views around you can make you lose sight of what matters at the end of the day. That he feels then does not matter what color of the skin or if people around you will except it but what you truly feel towards a person and what you have with that person. If you are lucky enough to find your friend and love grab it. He still sees his wife that way and loves her the same as the first day he saw her. compassof4012
I do agree that this is a very powerful, emotional speech by Joanna's father. This is a great example of Patriarchy because only he does the speaking and everyone just sits and listens. Nowadays I don't think you could pull that off without everyone jumping in and interrupting. It's also important to see at the end of the speech that there is still no room for debate. He simply tells everyone it's time to eat and orders Tilly to serve the meal. He even goes so far as to tell everyone that John's parents will come around with time and gives them no opportunity to express there opinion. This may be a form of indirect racism at that time even among those white liberals that were pushing for equal rights. I mean surely in this day and age John's father would have at least had a chance as the head of there family to express his opinion or even give a speech of his own to them.Camp012
Patriarchy at its finest. These days, you wouldn't see someone command the room the way it is depicted in this scene. There would surely be discussions, arguments, and everyone involved in the overall decision of what will come next for the young couple. While he delivers a powerful speech, the reactions from the people in the room is what grabbed my attention. Everyone say quietly, not moving, and certainly not interrupting. Mrs. Drayton and Mrs. Prentiss showed their softer sides. They put aside their immediate concern for the struggles their children will face, and they focused on their happiness. While Mr. Prentiss seems unwavering, Mr. Drayton makes a statement that will everyone basically pushing him, he will come around. How would that hold up in today's world? Could one man really just tell another man (who feels strongly about something) that he is more or less just going to have to deal with it? MomtoM.L.M.012
I think this is a very powerful and sentimental speech from Joanna's father. You can tell that it is heart filled and you can certainly tell that he has his concerns. It seems his biggest concern is on the racism aspect. He warns them of what they are up against and realizes that who is he to stand in the way of these two wonderful people. Love knows no color, and age. Which also presents to the ageism aspect as well. In that time interracial marriage wasn't acceptable, and wasn't seen much. I definitely feel like the mothers softer side help impact his thought process on this situation as well as the priests input. Everyone listened intently and didn't dare interrupt. I felt the emotions and I was only watching the movie. I think now and days interracial dating, and age differences is such a norm that people wouldn't think twice about going to the family for approval. It just shows how much has changed over the years. My moms fiancé's sister is dating a black man and her family doesn't even talk to her, which I believe is very wrong and unfair. If back in the 60's two families can work through what they see as an issue how can they not to the same in 2015? newmommy2be012
This is the most powerful part of the movie (which I'm sure is what the director was striving for) and has so many great points. The largest point of all is that love is love. It doesn't care about skin color or age or anything. There is no argument that can be presented if it is really love. I especially like how Mr. Drayton "got back into touch" with his feelings for his wife. He knows he has forgotten about the early times of his relationship with his wife and this has rekindled that flame in his soul. This is such a great movie, considering the times and I think everyone should see it. I think it would open up a lot of eyes and hearts. Kane012
I agree. His biggest concern did seem to be the racial aspect. Interracial dating is more common now but still not totally accepted. I have friends that are okay with black people as long as race mixing doesn't occur. They would never date outside their race for fear of being disowned by family. You said it perfectly...love knows no color. poeticLB012
That was one of my favorite scenes from this movie. It made me come to realize that we shouldn't judge anyone just because of the color of their skin, or hair, or nails, or even teeth. Everyone on this planet is human, and everyone also has feelings just like you, and me. Thankfully Matt came to realize that a man loved his daughter not an african american, but a real man with feelings just like every other man in the world. During the 60's that was "odd" for an interracial marriage, just like during our era it is "odd" to love someone of the same sex. It shouldn't matter how someone else dresses or who that person loves, because you are not them and they are not you. Everyone sees the world through their own two eyes, and no one can change a person but the person themselves. (Mac-O12)
Patriarchy was very much alive in the 60's. Throughout the movie Matt showed how he was the strong hand in his home. He was the king of his castle and his wife followed along. Men in the 60's were the final say in the marriage. Today it doesn't always go that way. It was also important to get parents approval in a pending marriage. Today those traditions of getting the father's approval aren't always as important to people as they used to be. Matt let the kids know that they were the ones that were gonna have to deal with any societal issues. You could tell that Joey and her mother both were beyond proud of Matt's speech to the families. Most men back in that day were afraid to admit feelings as it was a sign of weakness. Matt was just glad his daughter found someone who cares so much for her. He did the right thing. He swallowed his pride and told it like it was.nana012
Mr Drayton has had a change of heart. He's come to the realization that John and Joey love one another. John approached him as a man, asking for his blessing but not needing it. He honored her father's position as the patriarch. As a physician, accomplished in his own right, he didn't have to do that. He showed that he was a decent, respectful and respectable man. He was always polite and considerate when speaking to Mr and Mrs Drayton. Mr Drayton was the head of that household and everyone followed his lead without question or interruption. There was no deviation from the norm until Joey dared to bring John home. In accepting their love and their decision to marry, Mr Drayton has to face certain fears. As the patriarch, it was his duty to let them know that society would take issue with their marriage and possibly any children born of the marriage. To not warn them of the challenges they would face would be a dereliction of duty on his part. They are well aware of the challenges they will face and are prepared to face them together. He raised his daughter to see past the color of a person's skin, to fight for human rights and to love everyone. He had to accept that she did just that and isn't marrying a colored man. She's marrying John Prentice, a man.poeticLB012
John came into the situation trying to "do the right thing" in asking for permission to marry Joey. He assumed it would be a difficult task because of he and Joey having a "pigmentation problem", as Joey's father described their situation. Mr. Drayton started off by trying to find out what the Dr. was all about; if his story was true. He came to find out that the Dr. was VERY smart, dedicated to his work and causes and that he was truly a good man. When Mr. Drayton had the conversation with Mrs. Prentice, she brought him back to the main point at hand; that their children were in love and that stands for a lot more than any argument Mr. Drayton could ever put up. It made Mr. Drayton think back to early times with his wife and he remembered what it felt like. It also made him realize that he had gotten off course with HIS wife, that he needed to remember those times and get back to what was important. In the end, Mr. Drayton is basically stating that they don't need his approval for the marriage, he wants them to remember how they feel right now and make sure to not let those feelings slip away, no matter what life throws at them. Kane012
ReplyDeleteMr. Drayton comes off being more concerned about what everyone else is society will think of them and how they will be treated. He could be concerned as a father, but its almost like he is concerned like he would find it embarrassing. This movie came at a crucial time for the struggles that were going on. The sociological perspective of interracial relationships was a very controversial issue. Once Mr. Drayton is reminded of the matters of the heart, so to speak, he changes his approach. But its his commanding speech to the group that gets me. Basically his approach was, I am giving you my blessing, and everyone else will follow my opinion. And Mr. Prentiss who feels strongly against the relationship, doesnt bat and eye. Who wouldnt want to be in the strong father role of the 1960's??? MomtoM.L.M.012
DeleteIn this clip we can start with the traditional authority that Mr. Drayton uses. He has all the power and authority as he stands up to address everyone in his speech. In this time period Mr. Drayton has the most authority not only as the head of household but also because of the race issues. Even though Mr. Drayton is a liberal that has fought for the rights of blacks his whole life, he still feels as if he has more authority than Mr. and Mrs.Prentiss. As far as Patriarchy he gives his wife no chance to even speak. Mr. Drayton speaks for both of them and when he's done he tells everyone it's time to eat and demands Tilly to serve them. It is also important to see the point Mr. Drayton makes concerning the prejudice that Mrs.Prentiss has expressed towards him concerning ageism and that Mr.Drayton is to old to know what the doctor and Joanna are feeling. He makes it clear that this stigma of his age and gender is wrong. Although the Drayton's love has changed over the years it is not gone and the memories of what they've has will never disappear. I think that this is a trait in our society today that is being lost. I've seen a pattern in my lifetime that the people who stick their marriages out through good times and bad establish a love and connection for each other in the later years that makes it all worth while.Camp012
ReplyDeleteThe rule of patriarchy and the times can be seen clearly in this scene. The hedging of his disapproval in the marriage between his daughter and Dr. John make the rest of the audience think that he's going to tell them that they can't get married. But as time goes on and his speech progresses you can tell how each person in the room has affected him throughout the day. The audience can see how far Mr. Drayton has grown from the beginning of the film, by all of the points he touches on in the speech. Mr. Drayton knows the hardships that John and Joey will face in the midst of their marriage and having children, but can see that they love each other just as much as he loves his wife. fire dancer 012
ReplyDeleteThis clip shows us the patriarchy in those times. They all wait and anticipate the fathers words. Feeling and knowing he is the voice and head of reasoning. That what he saids will go. They all gather up, sit , and wait. He starts firm and addressing the people and their views they shared with him. The surprise being the one that hits him is the one by the Dr. mom with her being a woman. Then you see his soft side that it was the one about love that touched him. That everyday life, marriage, kids, career, and the world views around you can make you lose sight of what matters at the end of the day. That he feels then does not matter what color of the skin or if people around you will except it but what you truly feel towards a person and what you have with that person. If you are lucky enough to find your friend and love grab it. He still sees his wife that way and loves her the same as the first day he saw her. compassof4012
ReplyDeleteI do agree that this is a very powerful, emotional speech by Joanna's father. This is a great example of Patriarchy because only he does the speaking and everyone just sits and listens. Nowadays I don't think you could pull that off without everyone jumping in and interrupting. It's also important to see at the end of the speech that there is still no room for debate. He simply tells everyone it's time to eat and orders Tilly to serve the meal. He even goes so far as to tell everyone that John's parents will come around with time and gives them no opportunity to express there opinion. This may be a form of indirect racism at that time even among those white liberals that were pushing for equal rights. I mean surely in this day and age John's father would have at least had a chance as the head of there family to express his opinion or even give a speech of his own to them.Camp012
DeletePatriarchy at its finest. These days, you wouldn't see someone command the room the way it is depicted in this scene. There would surely be discussions, arguments, and everyone involved in the overall decision of what will come next for the young couple. While he delivers a powerful speech, the reactions from the people in the room is what grabbed my attention. Everyone say quietly, not moving, and certainly not interrupting. Mrs. Drayton and Mrs. Prentiss showed their softer sides. They put aside their immediate concern for the struggles their children will face, and they focused on their happiness. While Mr. Prentiss seems unwavering, Mr. Drayton makes a statement that will everyone basically pushing him, he will come around. How would that hold up in today's world? Could one man really just tell another man (who feels strongly about something) that he is more or less just going to have to deal with it? MomtoM.L.M.012
ReplyDeleteI think this is a very powerful and sentimental speech from Joanna's father. You can tell that it is heart filled and you can certainly tell that he has his concerns. It seems his biggest concern is on the racism aspect. He warns them of what they are up against and realizes that who is he to stand in the way of these two wonderful people. Love knows no color, and age. Which also presents to the ageism aspect as well. In that time interracial marriage wasn't acceptable, and wasn't seen much. I definitely feel like the mothers softer side help impact his thought process on this situation as well as the priests input. Everyone listened intently and didn't dare interrupt. I felt the emotions and I was only watching the movie. I think now and days interracial dating, and age differences is such a norm that people wouldn't think twice about going to the family for approval. It just shows how much has changed over the years. My moms fiancé's sister is dating a black man and her family doesn't even talk to her, which I believe is very wrong and unfair. If back in the 60's two families can work through what they see as an issue how can they not to the same in 2015? newmommy2be012
ReplyDeleteThis is the most powerful part of the movie (which I'm sure is what the director was striving for) and has so many great points. The largest point of all is that love is love. It doesn't care about skin color or age or anything. There is no argument that can be presented if it is really love. I especially like how Mr. Drayton "got back into touch" with his feelings for his wife. He knows he has forgotten about the early times of his relationship with his wife and this has rekindled that flame in his soul. This is such a great movie, considering the times and I think everyone should see it. I think it would open up a lot of eyes and hearts. Kane012
DeleteI agree. His biggest concern did seem to be the racial aspect. Interracial dating is more common now but still not totally accepted. I have friends that are okay with black people as long as race mixing doesn't occur. They would never date outside their race for fear of being disowned by family. You said it perfectly...love knows no color. poeticLB012
DeleteThat was one of my favorite scenes from this movie. It made me come to realize that we shouldn't judge anyone just because of the color of their skin, or hair, or nails, or even teeth. Everyone on this planet is human, and everyone also has feelings just like you, and me. Thankfully Matt came to realize that a man loved his daughter not an african american, but a real man with feelings just like every other man in the world. During the 60's that was "odd" for an interracial marriage, just like during our era it is "odd" to love someone of the same sex. It shouldn't matter how someone else dresses or who that person loves, because you are not them and they are not you. Everyone sees the world through their own two eyes, and no one can change a person but the person themselves. (Mac-O12)
ReplyDeletePatriarchy was very much alive in the 60's. Throughout the movie Matt showed how he was the strong hand in his home. He was the king of his castle and his wife followed along. Men in the 60's were the final say in the marriage. Today it doesn't always go that way. It was also important to get parents approval in a pending marriage. Today those traditions of getting the father's approval aren't always as important to people as they used to be. Matt let the kids know that they were the ones that were gonna have to deal with any societal issues. You could tell that Joey and her mother both were beyond proud of Matt's speech to the families. Most men back in that day were afraid to admit feelings as it was a sign of weakness. Matt was just glad his daughter found someone who cares so much for her. He did the right thing. He swallowed his pride and told it like it was.nana012
ReplyDeleteMr Drayton has had a change of heart. He's come to the realization that John and Joey love one another. John approached him as a man, asking for his blessing but not needing it. He honored her father's position as the patriarch. As a physician, accomplished in his own right, he didn't have to do that. He showed that he was a decent, respectful and respectable man. He was always polite and considerate when speaking to Mr and Mrs Drayton. Mr Drayton was the head of that household and everyone followed his lead without question or interruption. There was no deviation from the norm until Joey dared to bring John home. In accepting their love and their decision to marry, Mr Drayton has to face certain fears. As the patriarch, it was his duty to let them know that society would take issue with their marriage and possibly any children born of the marriage. To not warn them of the challenges they would face would be a dereliction of duty on his part. They are well aware of the challenges they will face and are prepared to face them together. He raised his daughter to see past the color of a person's skin, to fight for human rights and to love everyone. He had to accept that she did just that and isn't marrying a colored man. She's marrying John Prentice, a man.poeticLB012
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