Dr. Prentice grew up in a culture that was far different from the culture Joey grew up in, but Joey grew up with Tillie. This showed a sort of tolerance for Tillie's culture, but it still showed a social structure for Tillie's "place in society". The Drayton's (and especially Joey) love Tillie, but there is still the difference in their social status. The scene brings the Dr. to the same social status as Mr. Drayton because of how John was raised and how he came to look past skin color. He sees himself as a man, just like Mr. Drayton. John still shows respect to Matt, but out of pure respect, not because he thinks of himself in a lower social status, but because he is there to ask for Matt's daughters' hand in marriage. John knows that their children will have troubles growing up, but he also sees the possibilities of trying to change the way the world thinks about interracial marriage. Mr. Drayton is being forced to realize that he is actually a hypocrite when it comes to his views on racism. Joey told John that her parents would "welcome him with open arms" and I truly think she believed that because of what she had heard from her father throughout her whole life. In fact, Mr. Drayton was still stuck in the same times of John's father and the belief that skin color truly makes a difference. Kane012
Aside from the awkward tension between Dr. John and Mr. Drayton, the two can be seen bonding over the prospect of Joey's happiness. Mr. Drayton is starting to move past his prejudice and recognize the same passion in the young couple as he once felt with his wife. In this scene specifically, John is helping Mr. Drayton see that the teachings he taught his daughter aren't that hard to realize himself. And making him see that the only difference between himself (John) and Mr. Drayton is nothing more than a matter of perspective. I also noticed when Mr. Drayton started talking about the problems that Joey and John will face when they have children, John jokes with him about the optimism Joey has. When Mr. Drayton doesn't reciprocate, John reminds him that the things his daughter believes are what he and his wife taught her. Also, Mr. Drayton handled this situation very well, he was very civilized and didn't reduce himself to the small mindedness of the age. This scene made me respect Dr. John and Mr.Drayton even more, for Dr. John's strength in uncertain times and Mr. Drayton for looking past the small mindedness of the times. Both men in the end are just that, Men, with no differentiation between black or white. Firedancer012
Just this small clip alone has so many sociological inferences. The scene starts with John and Mr. Drayton discussing ageism. The differences between the two of them and there thinking because of their difference in age. We can also focus on deviance and how even though times are changing John and Joanna's interracial dating is still deviant from the norms of society of the times. Mr. Drayton's is scared not only for them but for their future children. Will society have changed or will there children be treated as second class because of there mixed race? I think it is important to remember that because of Dr.Prentice's is income, power, wealth, and prestige that there children may much more easily be able to rise above this and set an example for the people of this time. For this reason John's thinking is more reasonable than Mr. Drayton's. His children may very well be able to hold positions of power and prestige as well. I would also consider that Dr. Prentice has more insight into other cultures from his travels around the world. This knowledge gives him the frame of mind to look beyond American culture and see that other parts of the world are more accepting and that this marriage can be successful.Camp012
I would think that by the time their children were old enough to know, maybe the mixed race issue wouldn't be as important to society. They were just starting out together as a biracial couple. Another country may be a little more accepting of their being together. A girl in another one of my classes is a missionary child who grew up in South Africa most of her life. She said a lot of men in Africa wanted to marry her, even at the young age of 14. It was disrespectful to her but the men would ask her father for permission to marry her on numerous occasions. She was a white american girl so they thought if she would marry them, they could come to the U.S. with her. Different cultures have different things on their minds when it comes to the black and white. I do believe that this couple is so determined that it doesn't matter to them what the issues will be. They will take them as they come.Nana012
Mr. Trayton was pretty concern not much about the idea of his daughter getting married, but the challenging life that the two of them will face in the society looking them as deviance. As well the race issues that their children will have in at the school or any place that they will go, even-though some change were happen at the time. but there was long road still to go.
They are bonding over sharing views about racism in todays world. About how the world sees the black men and white men in occuptions. Sharing their thoughts on children being raised as biracial children. The problems they could face. The dad see it as downfall but the doctor see it as maybe a hurdle they will get through as a family. That he should remember that they created joey and who is she is. Her strengths and positive views of the world and possiblities. The father was raised in a time that people saw things different more shallow ands narrowed minded. The doctor is exposed to a time of change and movement especially with his travels around the world. He has a broaden horizon of what can be and what is truly important. They do also bond of joey happiness and the person she is. The father creating and molding her and the doctor following in love with the person she has become. Joey take is that the sky the limit that their kids will become who they want to be and change the world. The father view is on how the kids will be treated being biracial the problems they will experience in his mind. That not everyone will be accepting especially in the crowd they are part of their class. compassof4012
I think you are right about the doctors view being different because of his travels. Not only has he held on to the prestige of being such a well known doctor, but he has been places where race and interracial dating are treated differently or maybe even accepted. This gives him the ability to see past the hurdles of there relationship and see a positive future for their children. There family may in fact be part of the counterculture movement going on at the time that has made interracial dating so acceptable now in our culture.Camp012
Joey's father is initially thinking not of his own concerns but looking forward into the future. He is thinking in terms of a sociological perspective. His concerns are valid and very true for the frame of mind that society had back then, even to some extent...now. What he is failing to think about is the evolution that society would be undergoing. This movie was released during a peak time for race issues. The gentlemen in this clip understand that the challenges the young couple will face would be breaking the norm for society at that point in time. While Joey's father is very serious, John takes a much more light-hearted approach even trying to use humor during the discussion. Is that a sign of ageism? We know that Joey is even more whimsical about the topic. She shows little to no concern over what dilemmas they or their future children could face. Joey is ready to take on the world and to change it. Mr. Drayton shows us the patriarchal view in his approach. The vast difference in their views is intriguing. I get the impression that Mr. Drayton's first concern isn't the fact that his daughter is in love with someone of a different race, but more focused on how society would perceive them and any future children. Sort of a self-centered approach. The Drayton's don't seem to have an issue with people of color, unlike Mrs. Drayton's assistant. They are worried for their daughter. They are worried for their future grandchildren. But the basis of their concern is shallow at best. MomtoM.L.M.012
I agree. Mr. Drayton does not come off to be a racist by any means. Nor does he have concern that his daughter is growing up and moving on. But he is concerned with how society will perceive them. Is that an influence of his social class? Is he worried that his peers will look down on him because of his daughter's choices? Is it simply a sign of the sociological perspective that was norm for that time? Either way, take a look at the difference in views of the parents vs. the children. The children are head strong and unwavering about their decision to be together. They know there will be struggles but the benefit of being together out weights them. The parents, they want to follow the unspoken guidelines that society had built. Not looking forward into the growing times. MomtoM.L.M.012
The challenges they will face seem to weigh heavily on Mr Drayton. I agree that he seems to be concerned with society's perception. Will his paper suffer? It is possible that his peers will shun him. He doesn't seem to be concerned with that though. I agree, Mr Drayton does not come across as being racist. John and Joey will not conform to society's norm like their parents. They will face the challenges head-on. poeticLB012
You can see that Joey's father isn't being selfish of his own needs but rather the challenges that his grandchildren will face. He recognizes that there will indeed be some issues and it may be a hard road for them. He presents the age difference and the concern for that which is the ageism aspect. But also hits the racial aspect. He realizes that his daughter has an optimistic mind about the situation while John knows there will be issues and is more realistic about the situation. John and Joey know what they want and aren't going to back down in fear which I find to be very powerful. Joeys father isn't racist or presenting himself as being above John and his family. The social class and color difference doesn't seem to bother him in the end. Just the children's issues and dilemmas that they will face. They seem to bond and share their views of racism. Joeys father grew up in a time where interracial marriages was looked down upon, but with his wife raised a women who saw no color and no social class. She saw everyone as equal and is very optimistic on that situation which John points out. "you made her" Tilley seemed to have the hardest time adjusting to this situation, I think because she was raised as John and his family and she thinks he's trying to fool the family or be on some sort of power trip. But in the end I believe that she recognized that they are two good people who just happened to be different races and fell in love. Who can stand in the way of that? Newmommy2be012
True, the main concern that Matt comes to is the issues the children will have as they grow up, but the Dr. seems to buy into what Joey has been saying about how successful their children will be. Joey has been brought up to believe that color doesn't matter and the only thing that will hold you back is you. This is a great view to have because it will continue to change the way the world looks at skin color. I remember when my children first saw a black man. they were baffled. We explained to them that God had just made their skin color different. This is where it starts. If only we could get all races to think this way. What a different world we would live in. Kane012
There were so many cultural differences in this movie. It seems that everyone will come around to the idea of them getting married. John is a black man and society at that time looked down upon marriage of mixed races. John was a smart guy and had a lot going for his future because of his work. Back then, no one had probably ever thought about training anyone of any color out of a medical truck. He was a humanitarian. It makes you wonder how it all would of turned out had John not been such an ambitious black man. Would they have agreed to the marriage had John been just a black man without a career? It had to have made Joey parents feel better that he had goals and ambitions. As per usual in that time, the fathers couldn't see beyond the black white issues. It was great that Joeys dad remembered what was most important in a relationship and approved of their pending marriage. Johns father acted like someone died. He was just not having anything but disappointment on his mind. Tilley was definitely having issues over the pending marriage. She was in her way of thinking that Dr. is a black man and is just trying to take advantage Joey and her family. Both the old men were raised to believe the way they did. It was still against the law in other states. The women, after the initial shock, came around to the fact that love was the most important thing no matter what color.Joeys dad finally let his good sense outweigh the prejudice issue. He is concerned for the issues they will face. Back in their day, people were real haters of biracial marriage or couples in general.Nana012
I love how the Doctor responds to his soon to be father in-laws question about the raising of his grandchildren to be. Saying he would settle with secretary of state made me laugh to myself. The Doctor is very confident in himself and is a humble man. It doesn't bother him what society thinks a "family" should look like. Dr. John realizes that everyone is going to have problems in their personal life, but you can't let that get to you. The doctor has gone through a lot of traumatic things in his life by pretty much losing his entire life when his wife and son passed away. He knows life is a struggle, and unexpected but you just have to push on against the so called "norm." Because everyones point of view is different. And everyone is going to have problems they encounter in life, but your problems don't define who you are. (Mac-O12)
A heartfelt conversation about the fears of marriage and children lightened up by a bit of humor on John's part...priceless. John and Joey are stubborn, in love and fearless. They have thought this through in such a short amount of time, are aware of the consequences and prepared to face them head on. They will not deny themselves children because society doesn't agree with interracial marriage. They have decided they will have a family and create a new norm. Is there any valid reason they shouldn't have children? Their children will help blur the color lines. Mr Drayton seems to have forgotten that he raised Joey to fight against society's norms. She's doing just that with a strong, successful colored man beside her. They will travel, their children will experience other cultures and gain a different perspective than the one their grandparents knew. Will they be on the receiving end of racism? Probably. Will they have to overcome social injustice? Maybe. Will society evolve, grow and change? Definitely. Eventually, interracial marriage and biracial children won't be an issue in society. They will be the new norm. poeticLB012
Dr. Prentice grew up in a culture that was far different from the culture Joey grew up in, but Joey grew up with Tillie. This showed a sort of tolerance for Tillie's culture, but it still showed a social structure for Tillie's "place in society". The Drayton's (and especially Joey) love Tillie, but there is still the difference in their social status. The scene brings the Dr. to the same social status as Mr. Drayton because of how John was raised and how he came to look past skin color. He sees himself as a man, just like Mr. Drayton. John still shows respect to Matt, but out of pure respect, not because he thinks of himself in a lower social status, but because he is there to ask for Matt's daughters' hand in marriage. John knows that their children will have troubles growing up, but he also sees the possibilities of trying to change the way the world thinks about interracial marriage. Mr. Drayton is being forced to realize that he is actually a hypocrite when it comes to his views on racism. Joey told John that her parents would "welcome him with open arms" and I truly think she believed that because of what she had heard from her father throughout her whole life. In fact, Mr. Drayton was still stuck in the same times of John's father and the belief that skin color truly makes a difference. Kane012
ReplyDeleteAside from the awkward tension between Dr. John and Mr. Drayton, the two can be seen bonding over the prospect of Joey's happiness. Mr. Drayton is starting to move past his prejudice and recognize the same passion in the young couple as he once felt with his wife. In this scene specifically, John is helping Mr. Drayton see that the teachings he taught his daughter aren't that hard to realize himself. And making him see that the only difference between himself (John) and Mr. Drayton is nothing more than a matter of perspective. I also noticed when Mr. Drayton started talking about the problems that Joey and John will face when they have children, John jokes with him about the optimism Joey has. When Mr. Drayton doesn't reciprocate, John reminds him that the things his daughter believes are what he and his wife taught her. Also, Mr. Drayton handled this situation very well, he was very civilized and didn't reduce himself to the small mindedness of the age. This scene made me respect Dr. John and Mr.Drayton even more, for Dr. John's strength in uncertain times and Mr. Drayton for looking past the small mindedness of the times. Both men in the end are just that, Men, with no differentiation between black or white. Firedancer012
ReplyDeleteJust this small clip alone has so many sociological inferences. The scene starts with John and Mr. Drayton discussing ageism. The differences between the two of them and there thinking because of their difference in age. We can also focus on deviance and how even though times are changing John and Joanna's interracial dating is still deviant from the norms of society of the times. Mr. Drayton's is scared not only for them but for their future children. Will society have changed or will there children be treated as second class because of there mixed race? I think it is important to remember that because of Dr.Prentice's is income, power, wealth, and prestige that there children may much more easily be able to rise above this and set an example for the people of this time. For this reason John's thinking is more reasonable than Mr. Drayton's. His children may very well be able to hold positions of power and prestige as well. I would also consider that Dr. Prentice has more insight into other cultures from his travels around the world. This knowledge gives him the frame of mind to look beyond American culture and see that other parts of the world are more accepting and that this marriage can be successful.Camp012
ReplyDeleteI would think that by the time their children were old enough to know, maybe the mixed race issue wouldn't be as important to society. They were just starting out together as a biracial couple. Another country may be a little more accepting of their being together. A girl in another one of my classes is a missionary child who grew up in South Africa most of her life. She said a lot of men in Africa wanted to marry her, even at the young age of 14. It was disrespectful to her but the men would ask her father for permission to marry her on numerous occasions. She was a white american girl so they thought if she would marry them, they could come to the U.S. with her. Different cultures have different things on their minds when it comes to the black and white. I do believe that this couple is so determined that it doesn't matter to them what the issues will be. They will take them as they come.Nana012
DeleteMr. Trayton was pretty concern not much about the idea of his daughter getting married, but the challenging life that the two of them will face in the society looking them as deviance. As well the race issues that their children will have in at the school or any place that they will go, even-though some change were happen at the time. but there was long road still to go.
ReplyDeleteThey are bonding over sharing views about racism in todays world. About how the world sees the black men and white men in occuptions. Sharing their thoughts on children being raised as biracial children. The problems they could face. The dad see it as downfall but the doctor see it as maybe a hurdle they will get through as a family. That he should remember that they created joey and who is she is. Her strengths and positive views of the world and possiblities. The father was raised in a time that people saw things different more shallow ands narrowed minded. The doctor is exposed to a time of change and movement especially with his travels around the world. He has a broaden horizon of what can be and what is truly important. They do also bond of joey happiness and the person she is. The father creating and molding her and the doctor following in love with the person she has become. Joey take is that the sky the limit that their kids will become who they want to be and change the world. The father view is on how the kids will be treated being biracial the problems they will experience in his mind. That not everyone will be accepting especially in the crowd they are part of their class. compassof4012
ReplyDeleteI think you are right about the doctors view being different because of his travels. Not only has he held on to the prestige of being such a well known doctor, but he has been places where race and interracial dating are treated differently or maybe even accepted. This gives him the ability to see past the hurdles of there relationship and see a positive future for their children. There family may in fact be part of the counterculture movement going on at the time that has made interracial dating so acceptable now in our culture.Camp012
DeleteJoey's father is initially thinking not of his own concerns but looking forward into the future. He is thinking in terms of a sociological perspective. His concerns are valid and very true for the frame of mind that society had back then, even to some extent...now. What he is failing to think about is the evolution that society would be undergoing. This movie was released during a peak time for race issues. The gentlemen in this clip understand that the challenges the young couple will face would be breaking the norm for society at that point in time. While Joey's father is very serious, John takes a much more light-hearted approach even trying to use humor during the discussion. Is that a sign of ageism? We know that Joey is even more whimsical about the topic. She shows little to no concern over what dilemmas they or their future children could face. Joey is ready to take on the world and to change it. Mr. Drayton shows us the patriarchal view in his approach. The vast difference in their views is intriguing. I get the impression that Mr. Drayton's first concern isn't the fact that his daughter is in love with someone of a different race, but more focused on how society would perceive them and any future children. Sort of a self-centered approach. The Drayton's don't seem to have an issue with people of color, unlike Mrs. Drayton's assistant. They are worried for their daughter. They are worried for their future grandchildren. But the basis of their concern is shallow at best. MomtoM.L.M.012
ReplyDeleteI agree. Mr. Drayton does not come off to be a racist by any means. Nor does he have concern that his daughter is growing up and moving on. But he is concerned with how society will perceive them. Is that an influence of his social class? Is he worried that his peers will look down on him because of his daughter's choices? Is it simply a sign of the sociological perspective that was norm for that time? Either way, take a look at the difference in views of the parents vs. the children. The children are head strong and unwavering about their decision to be together. They know there will be struggles but the benefit of being together out weights them. The parents, they want to follow the unspoken guidelines that society had built. Not looking forward into the growing times. MomtoM.L.M.012
ReplyDeleteThe challenges they will face seem to weigh heavily on Mr Drayton. I agree that he seems to be concerned with society's perception. Will his paper suffer? It is possible that his peers will shun him. He doesn't seem to be concerned with that though. I agree, Mr Drayton does not come across as being racist. John and Joey will not conform to society's norm like their parents. They will face the challenges head-on. poeticLB012
DeleteYou can see that Joey's father isn't being selfish of his own needs but rather the challenges that his grandchildren will face. He recognizes that there will indeed be some issues and it may be a hard road for them. He presents the age difference and the concern for that which is the ageism aspect. But also hits the racial aspect. He realizes that his daughter has an optimistic mind about the situation while John knows there will be issues and is more realistic about the situation. John and Joey know what they want and aren't going to back down in fear which I find to be very powerful. Joeys father isn't racist or presenting himself as being above John and his family. The social class and color difference doesn't seem to bother him in the end. Just the children's issues and dilemmas that they will face. They seem to bond and share their views of racism. Joeys father grew up in a time where interracial marriages was looked down upon, but with his wife raised a women who saw no color and no social class. She saw everyone as equal and is very optimistic on that situation which John points out. "you made her"
ReplyDeleteTilley seemed to have the hardest time adjusting to this situation, I think because she was raised as John and his family and she thinks he's trying to fool the family or be on some sort of power trip. But in the end I believe that she recognized that they are two good people who just happened to be different races and fell in love. Who can stand in the way of that? Newmommy2be012
True, the main concern that Matt comes to is the issues the children will have as they grow up, but the Dr. seems to buy into what Joey has been saying about how successful their children will be. Joey has been brought up to believe that color doesn't matter and the only thing that will hold you back is you. This is a great view to have because it will continue to change the way the world looks at skin color. I remember when my children first saw a black man. they were baffled. We explained to them that God had just made their skin color different. This is where it starts. If only we could get all races to think this way. What a different world we would live in. Kane012
DeleteThere were so many cultural differences in this movie. It seems that everyone will come around to the idea of them getting married. John is a black man and society at that time looked down upon marriage of mixed races. John was a smart guy and had a lot going for his future because of his work. Back then, no one had probably ever thought about training anyone of any color out of a medical truck. He was a humanitarian. It makes you wonder how it all would of turned out had John not been such an ambitious black man. Would they have agreed to the marriage had John been just a black man without a career? It had to have made Joey parents feel better that he had goals and ambitions.
ReplyDeleteAs per usual in that time, the fathers couldn't see beyond the black white issues. It was great that Joeys dad remembered what was most important in a relationship and approved of their pending marriage. Johns father acted like someone died. He was just not having anything but disappointment on his mind. Tilley was definitely having issues over the pending marriage. She was in her way of thinking that Dr. is a black man and is just trying to take advantage Joey and her family.
Both the old men were raised to believe the way they did. It was still against the law in other states. The women, after the initial shock, came around to the fact that love was the most important thing no matter what color.Joeys dad finally let his good sense outweigh the prejudice issue. He is concerned for the issues they will face. Back in their day, people were real haters of biracial marriage or couples in general.Nana012
I love how the Doctor responds to his soon to be father in-laws question about the raising of his grandchildren to be. Saying he would settle with secretary of state made me laugh to myself. The Doctor is very confident in himself and is a humble man. It doesn't bother him what society thinks a "family" should look like. Dr. John realizes that everyone is going to have problems in their personal life, but you can't let that get to you. The doctor has gone through a lot of traumatic things in his life by pretty much losing his entire life when his wife and son passed away. He knows life is a struggle, and unexpected but you just have to push on against the so called "norm." Because everyones point of view is different. And everyone is going to have problems they encounter in life, but your problems don't define who you are. (Mac-O12)
ReplyDeleteA heartfelt conversation about the fears of marriage and children lightened up by a bit of humor on John's part...priceless. John and Joey are stubborn, in love and fearless. They have thought this through in such a short amount of time, are aware of the consequences and prepared to face them head on. They will not deny themselves children because society doesn't agree with interracial marriage. They have decided they will have a family and create a new norm. Is there any valid reason they shouldn't have children? Their children will help blur the color lines. Mr Drayton seems to have forgotten that he raised Joey to fight against society's norms. She's doing just that with a strong, successful colored man beside her. They will travel, their children will experience other cultures and gain a different perspective than the one their grandparents knew. Will they be on the receiving end of racism? Probably. Will they have to overcome social injustice? Maybe. Will society evolve, grow and change? Definitely. Eventually, interracial marriage and biracial children won't be an issue in society. They will be the new norm. poeticLB012
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