Procedural Justice and the Police Legitimacy......


Procedural Justice and the Police Legitimacy......

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  1. In this day and age, it’s good to have a level head if you’re a police officer. The last anyone needs is to be accused of some sort of discrimination; that’s why procedural justice is so important.

    This video was very difficult to get into; videos of lectures are quite boring. I learn way more if I’m there in person to be able to ask questions and to be more attentive to the subject.

    I was fortunate enough to recently be in a class that was able to talk with an on-duty police officer. I will never have the words for what we learned that day. To have the opportunity to talk to an officer and hear what he has to say about policing style today is unbelievable. One thing that I have learned is that you cannot be biased in any way towards anybody, no matter what you’ve always known. You always have to treat everyone the same (this officer said to “treat them like they’re your cousins”). Do to others what you would like done to you. And don’t worry whether or not the person you’re arresting will be convicted or not; like a wise professor of mine once said: today is for you, tomorrow is for me. Gators123

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  2. With the events that have gone down in Ferguson and Baltimore with the riots and the tensions with the community and the police it is going to be key that police show that that they are not discriminating against anyone because it can lead to really bad things, like those two events that have happened recently and have given the perception of the police a black eye in a way. In the video it talks about the importance of the golden rule but it should always be in the mindset of everyone in society, especially police officers, to treat people how you would want to get treated yourself. I am aware that there are a lot of people that don’t do that but a law enforcement official have no excuse not to, they are the professionals that are trained to treat everyone the same. The video was pretty dry and tedious to watch but it does have some important information about not being accused of discrimination by using procedural justice. Birdman123

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    1. I agree. Every one in a society should abide by the golden rule but theres always going to be those people who do not. As for police officers and authority figures, I think its crucial they all live by this concept. As professionals with the common goal of keeping the public safe, they have to be able to be unbiased and treat people with respect. gabegun123

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    2. I agree, with all the issues going on in the world the way we police is going to be key in many situations. so we really need to pick up on community policing. overall this was a great video.
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  3. Procedural justice is very important to officers and citizens aline in todays society. Like stated in the video "what police do affects how citizens feel and think, which leads to how citizens react." Officers need to be able to understand this concept and abide by it. If they treat an individual with respect, until given a reason to do otherwise, they will most likely receive respect in return. If you're an authority figure and you approach an individual in an aggressive manner, the individual will most likely come at you with the same approach. The philosophy behind PJ is the golden rule. The video though states it as "treat others how you want others to treat your mother." I like this concept because no one wants to picture some one disrespecting their mother. The speaker in this video turns the philosophy of PJ into something personal to everyone. I think that the publics view of police is one of the most important things in a community. If police legitimacy is not there and the public recognizes that, it will lead to a loss of trust between citizens and officers. gabegun123

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    1. I agree with you that police are very important in the community, maybe more important than someone may think. They are not only there for emergencies but are there to provide civil service to those who need help. Law enforcement is in the spotlight right now in the eyes of society so it is in their best interests to use procedural justice to improve the way they act towards people. They need to get away from the image that they treat minorities different and go into the look that everyone is going to be treated the same by the police no matter who they are. Birdman123

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    2. I completely agree with the theory that citizens react to what police do. While the citizens do not understand every decision a police officer might make, there should be more effort from both sides to help each other understand. These actions are also what determine if a person feels threatened or relieved when they see a squad car roll up. Acquainted123

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  4. In this video, his initial definition of procedural justice really stood out to me. I thought it was interesting how he said it is the job of an officer to treat the public in a fair, caring, and respectful way. This line stood out to me because, yes officers should treat the public in this way, but also the public should treat the officers with the same respect they are trying to show. Maybe this is not at all what the video is trying to say, however this is what it made me think about. We send officers out onto the streets everyday, and the people they are trying to protect do not respect them, do not trust them, and try to get a rise out of them. Yet this is still being taught to the officers because it is a very important part of policing, and I think it is admirable of the police department to try to get the officers to rise above. Piglet456

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    1. I like what you have to say, I also agree that the same respect should be shown back to officers. I know it and you know it, everyday we see stupid videos on the Internet of "corrupt" police officers and citizens being treated like animals, but how often do we see the positive and good interactions? People are much more likely to take out their phones and start recording when a ruckus is taking place then when an officer shows up to help someone in need. This goes overlooked. People want to blow things out of proportion. We must keep in mind that not all police are corrupt. Nobody is perfect and the system we have is headed in a positive direction. That is what gives me hope. If officers under oath can abide by, and respect the conditions of procedural justice, the world will be a much better place. The community will give respect and so will the police. Twal456

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  5. I thoroughly enjoyed this video. I really appreciated how the speaker broke down procedural justice into four categories. Participation, neutral, dignity and trustworthy motives were the categories he mentioned. I truly believe that the community would react in a positive way to police encounters if this formula was known nationwide as the rules of policing. It must be followed and observed by citizens to obtain that point of view. The speaker explained that procedural justice promotes citizens feelings towards police legitimacy and influences citizens behavior. I can attest to this because I have had many positive, and negative encounters with the police in my own personal life. The positive encounters made me feel good. I wanted to help and show ample respect during, and after the event took place. The negative encounters left me with a cold, angry feeling towards the police. I did not want to show respect or even reach out after the last negative encounter I had. The speaker spoke about where procedural justice can take place. One thing I would like to speak out on would be during the interrogation and booking process. I have heard it thousands of times "innocent until proven guilty". The negative encounter I had with police was during an interrogation and booking process. I was right off the bat a guilty piece of crap that deserves punishment and no rights. I was treated like a dumb dog that made a mistake. When participation came into play during my booking process, none of the comments or views of the situation were taken into consideration. It was just "don't lie to us, tell us what you know, we know if your lying, don't lie, tell us now..." The funny thing is I did NOT lie about any part of the situation and was trying to explain why I did what I did. Yet, I still was not taken seriously. This encounter made me very ill towards police of that area. Since that encounter I have had many positive interactions with the police that has healed my ill feelings towards the police as a whole, but as far as that location goes, I have little respect for the officers of that town. It just goes to show you the impact of procedural justice. I want to be a better person and help the community where I live, but whenever I am in the town those negative interactions occurred, I scoff. Twal456

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    1. I really liked the example you gave in your response to this article. I think it adds a lot to what you are saying. How you wanted to be helpful and cooperative to officers who showed you respect. On the lip side when you were treated disrespectfully you started having a lot of ill feelings toward the police department. Yet even after that incident you still try to be respectful of officers, but you find it hard to do so in the specific area where officers were rude to you. I think that is really interesting because even after that incident you don't hate all officers everywhere. Piglet456

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    2. I also believe would react positively if officers followed this way of policing. If officers follow with this, their community will respect them more because it will show that there is not any bias towards them. I also have had encountered nice and rude officers, and can tell that their attitude influences yours on how you talk back to them.
      bamboo456

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    3. I agree with your examples and how they affected your attitudes towards the police in that area. I have been lucky enough to only have been pulled over twice, but they were two very different experiences! The first time I got pulled over my car was searched and after coming up short the officer scoffed and let me go, this made me feel angry and untrusting of the police because I was very respectful and he still treated me as a lesser. The second time, however, the officer treated me with the same respect I showed him, and he even joked with me when I handed him my debit card instead of my license.
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  6. Stephen had many good points in his talk and most people seem to agree Procedural Justice and Community Policing is a good policy. He mentioned even with a successful program the crime statistics would not necessarily go down. I wish he would have expanded on this and discussed how you evaluate the success of your program if there is not a measurable result. In order to determine the effectiveness of any program, some kind of feedback mechanism is necessary. Legitimacy was another concept discussed and related to the perception by citizens of the fairness, dignity and respect shown by law enforcement in an encounter. Another perception difficult to measure, but we have seen recent news reports where the citizens have lost any sense of legitimacy with government and/ or law enforcement.
    He talked about recruitment and it seems that Community Policing relies even more on an officer’s character, judgement and ability to build rapport with people in difficult and stressful situations. How they are treated is more important than the outcome. Humvee123

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  7. There are a lot of things this video brings to the table. Being legitimate and open with your community is a must and treating them with respect while still doing your job needs to be focused on a little more. With how Stephen explained the different areas of procedural justice it can be easy to say this is how it should be done now everyone go do it, but instead it needs to go deeper than that, and make sure that officers are following up on this training. The police themselves set the tone for how the public forms an opinion about them, so if there is any negativity, they alone have the power to change that. While it is hard for them to deal with all the taunting they experience on a day to day basis, they are trained professionals and should be able to persevere and still do an amazing job every day they clock in. Acquainted123

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    1. I agree with you in that police need to know how to do their jobs and do them well. Police do set the tone for public opinion. But when the media gets a hold of what police are doing, that's when everything gets blown out of proportion. That's when we start seeing the huge cases all across the country. Gators123

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  8. Procedural justice is one of the biggest helpers and building blocks on today's society. Policing should have been set at a standard of procedural justice because it is arguably the best way to go about it. Being fair and real with the people in the community is not just good for the police but it is good for the people too. When the people feel safe and that they are being protected instead of being scared and worried about if they do one small little thing they could go to jail is a real stress of everyone's shoulders. Yes, you will have those people who will dislike the police no matter what but for the most part the people will enjoy a cops' company and will not want to distant themselves from a police officer every time they see one.

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  9. This video did well by explaining what procedural justice is and how it is beneficial to officers. It explains how officers should be towards the community. When people feel like you are being fair then it does not cause problems. Making them feel safe it what keeps a good community. It would be good to train officers on procedural justice, but some people just are not meant for that. There will always be officers that are not well trained and let their beliefs take over. If an officer respects the people of the community, then it gives more of a chance for the community to respect them back. If they show that there is no police legitimacy the community will take action because the officers are not treating everyone fairly. Furthermore, the video was knowledgeable and gave me more of an outlook of what procedural justice and police legitimacy is and how it works in the community.
    bamboo456

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    1. Police relations can either be good or bad in certain situation. As a community we tend to spread the word of a particular cops attitude rather toward us or someone that we know. Many times running into a certain situation with a certain cop we already know what to expect. Though what if that day the person who told you about this cop was just having a bad day which rubbed off on the cop. So when you were pulled over the cop was really nice to you and didn't give you any problems. Forensics123

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    2. Procedural justice is definitely that should be a standard in the criminal justice system. If all police treated people with respect in a well off manor there could be a very high chance in the crime rate decreasing.

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  10. I thought this video did a very good job at explaining a simple, but forgotten rule. This speaker says that you should treat everyone as you would want your mother to be treated by an officer who pulled her over. I am always very respectful towards police officers, but in the few instances where they responded to me in a demeaning way it was very easy for my perception to shift and my respectfulness to go down a few notches. That is why procedural justice is very important, because if someone feels that they are being treated unfair or their voice is not being heard it is very likely for them to resent police or not go to them for help in the future. In communities where a larger percent of the population feels this way it is likely that police will not be treated with the respect that they deserve and their jobs will become much harder. Social media plays a large part in this too. Many people are quick to make posts or take videos that can be twisted into negative representations of police officers, and that can influence an entire community to feel negatively about their police force and not feel as safe as they should.
    Blues456

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    1. That is very true. Depending on if a cop is having a bad day or not usually in some case can determine how he handles his job. If he has certain biases about a particular situation or not can also determine how he handles his job. Yet not all officers are bad! We only see the image of officers that the media wishes to portray. Which is done to distract you from all of the bigger events that are going on in the world that will not only determine how our future looks. Yet our children and grandchildren. Forensics123

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    2. I agree because if the cop can't handle his/her job right then maybe they either need more training or maybe even just be at the desk doing paper work for while. There are cops out there that just behind a desk all day and never go outside because they probably don't know how to handle the job right. DaBulls456

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  11. Procedural justice is how an officer treats citizens within the community when dealing with them. For example in a domestic dispute the officer clearly sees that one person has blood running down his or her face, and the other person does not have a scratch. Yet the officer could care less that one needs medical attention and the other needs to go to the jail. So he arrests both of them without even actually getting the full story of the events that have taken place. Versus an officer that pulls a African American person over who was going 5 miles over the speed limit he is calm and polite when questioning him or her. Just as well as when he pulls over a Caucasian individual for going 10 miles over the speed limit, his attitude is consistent with both. Procedural justice is the attitude, body language, and tone that is used when dealing with a certain type of individual verses the next. The few bad cops that are out in the community really do make it harder for the actual good ones. They all lose respect, one conflicts with the trust for them all. Forensics123

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  12. This video is very informative; I like how he simply states that’s procedural justice is as simple as police treating you right. Its very important because police are always in the public and how they deal with people is important down to talking to them and even the way the police make an arrest. I think that this is a really big topic and a really big issue in America, most police officers are trained to do their job differently and now everything in America is changing and Americans are expecting police to change with everything else. I think it will be a great change, although I think it will be a hard change for a lot of police officers to be able to do. Even in my home town the two police officers need a lot of information on procedural justice and how to effectively be community police. I really enjoyed this video.
    GRUNT123

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    1. Yea there is definitely a strain on procedural justice and police legitimacy today. We hear about these isolated police shooting incidents that really open the eyes of people as to how some policing is been done in a bad way. There needs to be a wide movement of reforms in every single police department, good, or bad. Crime will take a huge plunge if we can better police legitimacy through procedural justice. Procedural justice can only be done with educated, aware, transparent, understanding, and trained police. What we dont want is the uneducated, air head, possibly right out of the marines, where your trained to kill kind of cop. Dont get me wrong the military can be a good thing for law enforcement but it needs to be paired with the right practices and most importantly, the right person.
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  13. The first thing that got to me was the whole police should treat the community in a caring fashion. Well if some communities will train their officers in the correct way to do it we wouldn't have to hear on the news that some cop shot a African American kid because he wouldn't stand his ground we wouldn't have that problem. Well they also realize that if they seen a crime seen everyone will have one opinion over the other because they court system won't listen to the public on what they think is the best way because the court will find it's own way to handle the criminal in charge of the crime that was committed. With one of the benefits for police being public feels better about police well to me I have my own opinion I can go on about my view but there are other people that think about the police in a complete different way than me. Procedural justice needs to step up there game on having the police provide maybe a more of an out come in the long run. DaBulls456

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  14. Procedural justice is simply the fairness between the police and the community. The police are polite, transparent and listen to the people of the community. Procedural justice is necessary for social well-being. Procedural justice should be used as a hand book on how to treat the citizens and how to respond to them. This brings to mind Ferguson, Missouri. How well were the police of Ferguson using procedural justice?? Probably not very well. There was constant miss interpretation between community and police. The police were often harsh and had major biases. People of Ferguson were often confused and afraid of the police. This resulted in major tension for years. until the shooting of Micheal Brown. Something stood out to me in the video. When the guy said "treat the citizens how you would want the officers to treat your mother." It emphasizes treating people fairly. Officers should be aware, educated and trained. With theses things procedural justice can be done very well. When procedural justice is done right, the citizens will have a increased sense of police legitimacy.
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  15. Having a good relationship between the police officers and the people of their city is so important, and is a vital part of good police work. The way officers treat the people they deal with day to day has the most influence on how people view the police. As stated in the video the police need to perform their job in a fair, caring and respectful fashion. I really like the "Golden Rule" Do unto others as you would have them do unto do. I think that's a very good rule to go by especially in policing. It seems like everyone I talk to about their opinion on police officers its always negative. I always get they're all power tripping dicks, and that they are treated with no respect. If we ever plan on turning this poor conception of our law enforcement system around we need to work on getting these people to have a new view on the police. dangkids123

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