As a society being harsh on middle school high school students or just juveniles in general has caused problems in how those people see the word. When the true date was looked at it seems to me that the school system was targeting blacks more than people who had a white skin pigment, this caused problems because by arresting someone for a civil violation and arrest a white person only for offenses they should be arrested for this causes stress and can be life changing for the person arrested for the civil offense reason this can cause problems is because by suspending someone or arresting that person this can set the student back a grade this also can cause that person to fall behind in certain classes or hate the school system or law enforcement overall. Also with what was proven by not involved students with the criminal justice system this allows for student’s higher graduation rates as rates increased by 24 percent by changing policy’s in school which will not take away from the student’s chance at success. By labeling students that try to take on the role or being a bad student as this is what their educational system and their peers, and family might leave this person to believe about their self-image. So overall a better policy is to get to the core problem for this person or people fix the issue not force a student out of school that they may not even want to go to anyway. By fixing the behavior of this person this will have a better turn out for success as people who commit more serious crimes will be punished or even have their criminal activity overcome because law enforcement will not be focusing their time on taking on juveniles but helping society with cleaning the streets of people who are trying to do harm to others. Eagle001
Schools need to start trying to figure out why a child is behaving badly, not just push them out. The school system should be an encouraging place and instead has become very discouraging. Children already don't want to attend school a lot of the time and being kicked out further lets them know school is not for them. I can see suspension or expulsion for a true act of violence, but not for a kid who talks a little crap. Teachers need to find out what is going on with a kid not kick them out and make the problem worse. Stop policing these kids and counsel them instead. They are children not adults and may not be able to cope with the very adult situations they are in. So when kids are facing major problems they tend to act out. How does suspending them help deal with the issue? It doesn't help at all it only makes what the kid is going through worse. The school system today is setting the future generation up for failure. mommy001
i agree totally that our society as a whole is tough on the growing generations. our parents generation was raised up on punishment for any little thing they did wrong but times have changed and we can't continue to think this way. kids do things for a reason and it's society and the schools job to find out what is causing certain kids to act out and solve their issues. RRM001
Schools have become more harsh on bad behaviors in the recent years. Although, I agree kids need to be disciplined when they are a disturbance in school I feel that they don't always need to be kicked out of school. Kicking juveniles out of school can have horrible consequences. If they are not attending school they may be hanging out in the streets getting into some very deviant activities. The alarming rates students are being suspended is a huge problem. When children are held back a grade the chance of them wanting to stay in school to graduate is going to decline. It is also discouraging to students when they feel the teachers do not care about them and their education, they simply want to give up on the problem students and push them out of school. Teachers need to take a different course of action with these students. If there is truly an act of violence then suspension may be warranted, but just for a simple act of disrespect maybe a detention or two could be implemented before suspending or expelling a child from school. Excluding a child from school is leaving them vulnerable to commit deviant acts and become involved in the juvenile justice system. What needs to be done is finding out why a particular student is feeling the need to act out. Maybe they are experiencing trouble at home, being bullied at school, not getting feed properly. There are so many things that a child may be dealing with in their lives and they may just simply need someone to care to combat their disrespectful and disruptive behavior. Instead of placing officers in schools to police our children more counselors need to be hired and take the time to get to the root of the problem. Encourage good behavior and get more children to finish school, not turn them to lives of crime. Treat all children the same not differently because of their socioeconomic situation or the color of their skin. The number one goal of schools needs to be uplifting these children not making them feel worthless. Our school system is failing our children by suspending them at alarming rates, sending them straight into the juvenile justice system for very minor acts. Most children already have the attitude that they don't want to be at school so they will act out on purpose just to be kicked out. Better training needs to be given to teachers and school staff in how to deal with minor infractions and keep more children in school. All kids deserve the same opportunity and those children forced out of school are being left vulnerable to the streets and a life of failure. mommy0001
The school to prison pipeline is something that has become a problem the last few decades. When a kid is suspended out of school or even worse expelled they will spend their time doing delinquent activities. Out of school suspension means they will most likely not be supervised by anybody so they may find people to hangout with who are also not in school and do illegal activities with them. The zero tolerance policies are the main reason for this school to prison pipeline. They make it so kids get a maximum punishment for something small. This means the kids are more likely to be suspended which means they will not be supervised at school or home. Giving kids a more reasonable punishment will make them less delinquent and if giving a child a suspension is necessary then it should be and in school suspension because that way they are supervised. The school to prison pipeline is an unfortunate thing that needs to be addressed more carefully and within the last few years it has but it hasnt been enough yet.
I think that the possible negative activities that children do when expelled and suspended is a major key in school to prison pipeline. When they are pushed out of school for minor issues, they most likely feel ostracized from all of society. School peers, teachers, families, and maybe even themselves. Grade school and middle school is a time when children find their identities. When kicked out of school, they may have the impression that they belong on the streets and so that's the direction that they take. Hanging out with other dropouts and trouble makers out of school causes more trouble. It's a scary cycle. The school to prison pipeline needs to be better analyzed. behappy001
Pushing children out of schools for minor issues will lead them to get involved with bigger issues down the line. Children learn what is right and what is wrong from their parents and their school, and if neither of them are going to care enough about the child to teach them these things, then who is going to do it? No one. That is what leads children who are pushed out to get involved in more major crimes, which will ultimately lead to them going to jail or prison. We need to fix this issue at it's base, the schools and the parents, otherwise nothing we try to do will succeed. EKT001
The approaches that schools take to discipline children who do wrong is awful. It's almost like children who are disciplined in school view the world in a completely different way. Being suspended and expelled from school is just another way to push children out of school altogether. And we as a society wonder why there are so many dropouts and repeating of grades. What do we think children are doing when they are pushed out of school? Spending time studying in their room and analyzing why they are in the situation they are in? No, they are hanging out with other kids who were kicked out of school and as time passes they feel no desire to return to school and so they simply don't. It's an endless cycle and I don't think it's fair. School is a place for learning and teaching. Teaching children right and wrong IN SCHOOL. Not bringing in outside forces for little issues. School should be a place where children are excited to go instead of fearing what will happen when they run into trouble. There are enough children as it is who feel worthless and that don't see the point of making it to school. Teachers should act as buffers for every single child that walks through their door instead of making them feel ostracized and cut off from everyone else. I disagree with the policies that school administrators are holding. The school to prison pipeline is scary and even though the juvenile incarceration rate dropped forty-one percent between 1995 and 2012, the out of school suspension increased ten percent in 2000. Ninety-two-thousand students were arrested at school in 2011-2012. That is scary. Children aren't being given a chance to better themselves, they are being sent right into the juvenile justice system. School is a place for learning and teaching students discipline with in school policies is the best route to take. Let students WANT to learn and BETTER THEMSELVES. Care for them and let them nurture. Race, discipline levels, and gender shouldn't matter. Many schools are using restorative justice programs in which it allows students, teachers, and administration to talk about issues and problems and helps them through struggles. That's the way to go in my opinion. behappy001
i agree we need to find a new a of punishing these kids in school because once you start to expel l kids or suspend them they start dont to care or not wanted and end up dropping out or just not trying the school and students label these kids a mess up or whatever they want to call them
I also think that it is very crucial to help these kids get a better education while disciplining them to assure that they can be successful and grow to be a better person. It is hard to see all of these kids go straight to jail or the juvenile justice system. There needs to be better means to help these kids learn what they did was wrong then just "pushing" them out. Bike001
The school needs to fiz the matters that effect the life of these children they are already not wanting to go to a place they are forced to go to to. On top of that by having a suspenstion this pushes the kids back in a grade or two they will be behind their classemates their peers and behind the work theey needed to finish. kids like what this post said they need to want to make thsemselfs better not push them out because they failed to act the in the behavior the school wants because they are having trouble dealing with their own life at home, find out whats going on in the childrens life to help better their lives not cause harm to them because they are not worth the time nd displain them. Eagle001
Kids at the end of the day are just kids and they make plenty of mistakes. But even with the juvenile crime and the number of juveniles in detention have been as low as ever, schools are trying harder and harder to make examples of these kids. The zero tolerance policy most schools are adopting is absolutely ridiculous. The schools aren’t even letting the kids learn from their mistakes anymore they’d rather just expel them or turn them over to the juvenile justice system. How do people expect kids to make better of themselves when after the first bump in the road they toss them in a cage and throw away the key? Even if they just expel the kid instead of having him arrested or among other punishments, the school just handed that child a label some may never overcome. Thug, hoodlum, trouble maker, etc.. regardless what they call the kids it sticks. They could just be walking around town and people will notice that’s the kid who got expelled for fighting, drugs, or whatever they did, and now the shame that the label came with is going to hover over the student for the rest of their lives. And that’s why the schools should integrate more of a 3 strike policy. Rather than just kicking kids out for one incident the 3 strike program lets the kids learn from their past mistakes, and most importantly, they could receive the means and resources to defer that label that in the past they would’ve received, away from them. And that’s just one possible solution to the issue that is the school to prison pipeline. With more understanding and less punitive actions, the incarceration rates for children and in turn adults, will decrease. RRM001
I think kids are being little overly punished for little things but and i think kids are getting pushed out for such beause teachers dont want to deal with it no more when ut comes down to it i under stand teachers get tired of kids not trying or being rude or not trying but you cant just push them out but i do think kids are maybe more rude and maybe think there owed something i dont know if kids are acting up there acting up noting you can do besides try to come up with better punishing rules because kids are kids and they do mess up so let them learn from it but be firm and give them couple of ttys a fair chance to learn and fix there mis steak and get a chance at a high school diploma to so people get expelled them there labeled for ever and have to miss out of alot school don't realize the impact this has on kids cowboys001
I agree with you. I think kids are being pushed out. I wish we could be more picky about the adults (school staff) that we put into the system. Some adults just do not have compassion for the things that juveniles go through in their lives. Most people have rough lives, parents who don't care or just don't have the means to get to school and back. So why make it harder for that kid to learn by making them feel like they don't matter. It's just not right. -dicaprio0001
I agree, some teachers don't have the right mentality when it comes to discipline for little offenses. If these children had help to get through this point of their life, they may not be involved in prisons in adulthood. Jah001
The school to prison pipeline is a very intricate phenomena that has been happening since the 70's. Schools have adopted many different discipline methods that have made things worse for some students. Some of the things that have stood out to me would be the zero tolerance policies and the way that schools are outsourcing there discipline means to law enforcement. The way schools are making zero tolerance policies for their students makes it a lot more likely that students are to get expelled or fall behind in their studies which leads to more dropout rates. This contributes to the massive amount of high school dropouts that we see in todays societies. If we could give these kids a chance and teach them why what they did was wrong while still helping them get an education we could have a more successful group of scholars. Another thing we see a lot more than we did before in todays junior high and high schools is the presence of a police officer appointed by the city or county working in the schools to enforce laws. This change has made it easier for students to enter the juvenile justice system because what used to be a hallway scrap that led to kids being in the deans office and being resolved in a simpler matter of after school or saturday detentions can now be students escorted out of the school in handcuffs and treated as a criminal. They immediately toss kids into the juvenile or criminal courtrooms which can make it harder for kids to succeed. Like the article says schools with an officer had a lot more arrests for "Disorderly Conduct" than schools without. These officers can provide protection for students in the incident of a school shooting but can also be doing more damage by throwing more kids in jail. Bike001
I agree with you on many points. One thing I beleive in is that our world today is becoming more and more soft. Before, kids didn't want to behave were physically punished and not just by their parents. Teachers, principles, and others used physical punishment. I don't think that is the answer to all problems, but for the most part, I think it worked. I also think that there are times for a police officer to be called to the school to handle a situation but in most cases, teachers should be trained on how to handle a lot of these situations. Broncos001
The approach that many schools take for disciplining children is awful. Being suspended or expelled from school is just another way to push children out of the education system altogether, and then we, as a society, become stumped by rising rates of dropping out and grade repeating. Children who have been pushed out aren’t trying to “study hard and get good grades,” they are hanging out with other kids who were kicked out of school, and as time passes they feel no desire to return, so they simply don't. It's an endless cycle and I don't think it's fair for anyone involved. School is a place for learning and teaching. Children learn what is right and what is wrong from their parents and their school, and if neither of them care enough about the children to teach them these things, then who will? School should be a place where children are excited to go instead of fearing what will happen if they get into a little trouble. Teachers should act as buffers for every single child that walks through their doors instead of making them feel ostracized from everyone else, as they are there to help their students, not hurt them. Children aren't being given a chance to better themselves, instead they are being pushed right into the juvenile justice system, which isn’t doing any good for anyone involved. EKT001
The way some schools approach disciplining their students is just down right wrong and should be handled in a different manor. The education system to me in America has their priorities all wrong. Most schools only focus on sports and the students that play for them. All of the other students are just left to the side and forgotten about. And i've experienced that. When I was in high school I had a consoler and she didn't seem to care if I dropped out or if i just failed. It's really sad to me that student's are literally being pushed out of school. I believe that school is where you learn and grow. We should be allowed to make mistakes in high school and middle school and not have them effect our entire lives, let's save that for when we are actually all grown up. The way schools are punishing kids now a days are pushing them toward being in the criminal justice system for the rest of their lives. Like for starters I know when i was first in high school when you and another student got into an argument or a physical altercation you were sent to the deans office had an in school suspension or maybe an out of school suspension. Now a days both of the students no matter who started it get battery charges! How are you going to charge someone who is 15 years old with a battery charge that will be on his/her record for the rest of their lives. And when someone get an out of school suspension most likely that kid isn't going to be at home. That kid is going to be out on the streets probably smoking a little pot and that's going to correlate into something even bigger. Schools need to be carful the way they punish kids because it can and will affect them for the rest of their lives. School is a place to learn not only education wise, but learning to grow up. -dicaprio001
School discipline is greatly evolving into something that doesn't promote values like in the past. It used to be that teachers were not only in charge of teaching a student their education, but also social skills and values for the rest of their lives. Since discipline straight from the school is being limited due to legal issues. The schools now simply rely of having a police officer in the schools to enforce the laws. By bringing in officers to discipline the students, it separates the students into deviants and non deviants. Once a police officer labels a student, they tend adopt the label for a lengthy amount of time, even following them into adulthood. This process seemingly sends students from school into prisons if they are known as trouble makers. Jah001
I believe that students who do bad behavior should be held accountable for their actions, but should not be suspended or expelled from school (unless it is a serious crime). Suspending a kid from school will only make it worse because when they come back they can feel everyone judging and looking at them differently. Expelling someone from school does not benefit the student one bit. For those who get expelled for having drugs on them, I believe there are better alternatives than kicking them out of school. For example, they can do community service to show them the positives of being in a good community. What I also found interesting is that black kids are three times more likely to get suspended than white kids. For those who think that white privilege does not exist, this can show that it does. If a white a black person does the same thing; they both deserve the same punishment. What I also found shocking is that schools with a resource officer there are more crimes being committed. A kid should not have to be arrested for something that can be talked out in a conference room. Kicking a kid out of school has no positive’s to the kids only negative’s; I do not agree that kids who do minor offenses should be suspended or expelled. bamboo001
I agree with the idea that students are pushed out in some schools. It is almost like they are set up for failure. There are some teachers today that are just doing the job for the money and not to make a positive difference. And when they get a student they dont like, they give up and eventually push that student out of school. Now, when a student is kicked out or drops out. They have free time, and in some cases, they fill that free time by getting involved with other kids who were pushed out. In a lot of cases, the things they are getting involved with involve gangs, drugs, and other illegal acts. Which then leads them to prison. We need alternative ways to punish kids instead of driving them out of the classroom and eventually into a cell. We need teachers who are willing to work with students and not against them and who are in the career to really have a positive impact on kids lives, and not just to cash a check. Broncos001
The environment within the schools that kids are surrounded with have a large effect on them while growing up. Kids spend generally 12 years of their lives in school. Younger grades like Kindergarten have some effect on their lives later on into high school. But high school is where kids are effected the most. They are being introduced to so many different kinds of delinquent illegal behavior, they are at risk of being influenced by it. Eventually leading to kids being kicked out of school and "pushed out". Things like joining gang lead to drugs and violence. All of these negative influences just cause kids of drop out of school and be neglected by teachers. Academic failure is a major contributor to drop outs in high school. If we can keep kids off the streets and in school, it would be in everybody's best interest. Bry001
I agree with this because bad behavior is not a good way to be kicked out of somewhere or even get killed or injured. Dropping out school will get you no where in life because you don't have a degree and you won't get a high paying job somewhere nice. golfer001
You always got to be safe in schools because there might be a fight brewing somewhere. Watch your back. I like the zero tolerance policy because it teaches us not to fight and not to harm anybody because if we do, we might get suspended or expelled from school for a lone time. Don't be an idiot and do what you are told, don't slack off and do bad things. If you do bad things, it's just going to get you in trouble with the school and the police if they have to come to the school. Just keep your guard up and don't let your anger get to you. Golfer001
In order to succeed in being able to focus on learning, students need to be able to have a safe learning environment; however, zero tolerance policies that mandate a specific punishment be applied to a broad area of offenses take away the discretion necessary to maintaining good order and discipline in a classroom environment. Due to these zero tolerance policies many students can be given unjust and disproportionate punishments when they engage in minor offenses. These can have a profound impact on a students chance at success in life and can push students closer to the threshold of having a criminal career in adulthood, because students who miss school due to time spent out of school for a suspension are more likely to be held back a grade or drop out. Having students arrested over petty offenses and over minor school rule violations is also the wrong answer. It could happen in some schools because teachers are either uncaring, negligent, or complacent in not caring about a student's future and want someone else to resolve a student's bad behavior. It could also be that teachers don't believe that every student will be successful and decide that the problem disruptive students should be removed so that the others have a better chance at succeeding without being distracted by troublemakers. Either way it is a problem that needs to be addressed. Many problem teachers that would be listed in the former example would also be part of a teachers union and would likely be difficult to reform or remove. One of the solutions mentioned in the article was to have school discipline policies that disproportionately affect minorities be suppressed in use. While well intentioned, this idea ignores that many problem schools are majority minority and are located in areas where many of the minority kids could come from homes where supervision is either lacking or unavailable. To just say that the system is racist will not solve the problem, it is too simple an answer for a complex problem and will not lead to viable solutions. Worse still, it could increase what is unfortunately an already growing racial divide in this country. Instead of seeing themselves as needing to rely on the criminal justice system--which could build a record for delinquent students if not damage their self image into thinking they are criminals--teachers and school administrators should have the authority to both administer adequate corrective action on their students as well as ensure they have both a safe learning environment and a safe way to travel home with minimal exposure to bad influences outside of schools. CoolGuy001
As a society being harsh on middle school high school students or just juveniles in general has caused problems in how those people see the word. When the true date was looked at it seems to me that the school system was targeting blacks more than people who had a white skin pigment, this caused problems because by arresting someone for a civil violation and arrest a white person only for offenses they should be arrested for this causes stress and can be life changing for the person arrested for the civil offense reason this can cause problems is because by suspending someone or arresting that person this can set the student back a grade this also can cause that person to fall behind in certain classes or hate the school system or law enforcement overall. Also with what was proven by not involved students with the criminal justice system this allows for student’s higher graduation rates as rates increased by 24 percent by changing policy’s in school which will not take away from the student’s chance at success. By labeling students that try to take on the role or being a bad student as this is what their educational system and their peers, and family might leave this person to believe about their self-image. So overall a better policy is to get to the core problem for this person or people fix the issue not force a student out of school that they may not even want to go to anyway. By fixing the behavior of this person this will have a better turn out for success as people who commit more serious crimes will be punished or even have their criminal activity overcome because law enforcement will not be focusing their time on taking on juveniles but helping society with cleaning the streets of people who are trying to do harm to others. Eagle001
ReplyDeleteSchools need to start trying to figure out why a child is behaving badly, not just push them out. The school system should be an encouraging place and instead has become very discouraging. Children already don't want to attend school a lot of the time and being kicked out further lets them know school is not for them. I can see suspension or expulsion for a true act of violence, but not for a kid who talks a little crap. Teachers need to find out what is going on with a kid not kick them out and make the problem worse. Stop policing these kids and counsel them instead. They are children not adults and may not be able to cope with the very adult situations they are in. So when kids are facing major problems they tend to act out. How does suspending them help deal with the issue? It doesn't help at all it only makes what the kid is going through worse. The school system today is setting the future generation up for failure. mommy001
Deletei agree totally that our society as a whole is tough on the growing generations. our parents generation was raised up on punishment for any little thing they did wrong but times have changed and we can't continue to think this way. kids do things for a reason and it's society and the schools job to find out what is causing certain kids to act out and solve their issues. RRM001
DeleteSchools have become more harsh on bad behaviors in the recent years. Although, I agree kids need to be disciplined when they are a disturbance in school I feel that they don't always need to be kicked out of school. Kicking juveniles out of school can have horrible consequences. If they are not attending school they may be hanging out in the streets getting into some very deviant activities. The alarming rates students are being suspended is a huge problem. When children are held back a grade the chance of them wanting to stay in school to graduate is going to decline. It is also discouraging to students when they feel the teachers do not care about them and their education, they simply want to give up on the problem students and push them out of school. Teachers need to take a different course of action with these students. If there is truly an act of violence then suspension may be warranted, but just for a simple act of disrespect maybe a detention or two could be implemented before suspending or expelling a child from school. Excluding a child from school is leaving them vulnerable to commit deviant acts and become involved in the juvenile justice system. What needs to be done is finding out why a particular student is feeling the need to act out. Maybe they are experiencing trouble at home, being bullied at school, not getting feed properly. There are so many things that a child may be dealing with in their lives and they may just simply need someone to care to combat their disrespectful and disruptive behavior. Instead of placing officers in schools to police our children more counselors need to be hired and take the time to get to the root of the problem. Encourage good behavior and get more children to finish school, not turn them to lives of crime. Treat all children the same not differently because of their socioeconomic situation or the color of their skin. The number one goal of schools needs to be uplifting these children not making them feel worthless. Our school system is failing our children by suspending them at alarming rates, sending them straight into the juvenile justice system for very minor acts. Most children already have the attitude that they don't want to be at school so they will act out on purpose just to be kicked out. Better training needs to be given to teachers and school staff in how to deal with minor infractions and keep more children in school. All kids deserve the same opportunity and those children forced out of school are being left vulnerable to the streets and a life of failure. mommy0001
ReplyDeleteThe school to prison pipeline is something that has become a problem the last few decades. When a kid is suspended out of school or even worse expelled they will spend their time doing delinquent activities. Out of school suspension means they will most likely not be supervised by anybody so they may find people to hangout with who are also not in school and do illegal activities with them. The zero tolerance policies are the main reason for this school to prison pipeline. They make it so kids get a maximum punishment for something small. This means the kids are more likely to be suspended which means they will not be supervised at school or home. Giving kids a more reasonable punishment will make them less delinquent and if giving a child a suspension is necessary then it should be and in school suspension because that way they are supervised. The school to prison pipeline is an unfortunate thing that needs to be addressed more carefully and within the last few years it has but it hasnt been enough yet.
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I think that the possible negative activities that children do when expelled and suspended is a major key in school to prison pipeline. When they are pushed out of school for minor issues, they most likely feel ostracized from all of society. School peers, teachers, families, and maybe even themselves. Grade school and middle school is a time when children find their identities. When kicked out of school, they may have the impression that they belong on the streets and so that's the direction that they take. Hanging out with other dropouts and trouble makers out of school causes more trouble. It's a scary cycle. The school to prison pipeline needs to be better analyzed. behappy001
DeletePushing children out of schools for minor issues will lead them to get involved with bigger issues down the line. Children learn what is right and what is wrong from their parents and their school, and if neither of them are going to care enough about the child to teach them these things, then who is going to do it? No one. That is what leads children who are pushed out to get involved in more major crimes, which will ultimately lead to them going to jail or prison. We need to fix this issue at it's base, the schools and the parents, otherwise nothing we try to do will succeed. EKT001
DeleteThe approaches that schools take to discipline children who do wrong is awful. It's almost like children who are disciplined in school view the world in a completely different way. Being suspended and expelled from school is just another way to push children out of school altogether. And we as a society wonder why there are so many dropouts and repeating of grades. What do we think children are doing when they are pushed out of school? Spending time studying in their room and analyzing why they are in the situation they are in? No, they are hanging out with other kids who were kicked out of school and as time passes they feel no desire to return to school and so they simply don't. It's an endless cycle and I don't think it's fair. School is a place for learning and teaching. Teaching children right and wrong IN SCHOOL. Not bringing in outside forces for little issues. School should be a place where children are excited to go instead of fearing what will happen when they run into trouble. There are enough children as it is who feel worthless and that don't see the point of making it to school. Teachers should act as buffers for every single child that walks through their door instead of making them feel ostracized and cut off from everyone else. I disagree with the policies that school administrators are holding. The school to prison pipeline is scary and even though the juvenile incarceration rate dropped forty-one percent between 1995 and 2012, the out of school suspension increased ten percent in 2000. Ninety-two-thousand students were arrested at school in 2011-2012. That is scary. Children aren't being given a chance to better themselves, they are being sent right into the juvenile justice system. School is a place for learning and teaching students discipline with in school policies is the best route to take. Let students WANT to learn and BETTER THEMSELVES. Care for them and let them nurture. Race, discipline levels, and gender shouldn't matter. Many schools are using restorative justice programs in which it allows students, teachers, and administration to talk about issues and problems and helps them through struggles. That's the way to go in my opinion. behappy001
ReplyDeletei agree we need to find a new a of punishing these kids in school because once you start to expel l kids or suspend them they start dont to care or not wanted and end up dropping out or just not trying the school and students label these kids a mess up or whatever they want to call them
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DeleteI also think that it is very crucial to help these kids get a better education while disciplining them to assure that they can be successful and grow to be a better person. It is hard to see all of these kids go straight to jail or the juvenile justice system. There needs to be better means to help these kids learn what they did was wrong then just "pushing" them out. Bike001
DeleteThe school needs to fiz the matters that effect the life of these children they are already not wanting to go to a place they are forced to go to to. On top of that by having a suspenstion this pushes the kids back in a grade or two they will be behind their classemates their peers and behind the work theey needed to finish. kids like what this post said they need to want to make thsemselfs better not push them out because they failed to act the in the behavior the school wants because they are having trouble dealing with their own life at home, find out whats going on in the childrens life to help better their lives not cause harm to them because they are not worth the time nd displain them. Eagle001
ReplyDeleteKids at the end of the day are just kids and they make plenty of mistakes. But even with the juvenile crime and the number of juveniles in detention have been as low as ever, schools are trying harder and harder to make examples of these kids. The zero tolerance policy most schools are adopting is absolutely ridiculous. The schools aren’t even letting the kids learn from their mistakes anymore they’d rather just expel them or turn them over to the juvenile justice system. How do people expect kids to make better of themselves when after the first bump in the road they toss them in a cage and throw away the key? Even if they just expel the kid instead of having him arrested or among other punishments, the school just handed that child a label some may never overcome. Thug, hoodlum, trouble maker, etc.. regardless what they call the kids it sticks. They could just be walking around town and people will notice that’s the kid who got expelled for fighting, drugs, or whatever they did, and now the shame that the label came with is going to hover over the student for the rest of their lives. And that’s why the schools should integrate more of a 3 strike policy. Rather than just kicking kids out for one incident the 3 strike program lets the kids learn from their past mistakes, and most importantly, they could receive the means and resources to defer that label that in the past they would’ve received, away from them. And that’s just one possible solution to the issue that is the school to prison pipeline. With more understanding and less punitive actions, the incarceration rates for children and in turn adults, will decrease. RRM001
ReplyDeleteI think kids are being little overly punished for little things but and i think kids are getting pushed out for such beause teachers dont want to deal with it no more when ut comes down to it i under stand teachers get tired of kids not trying or being rude or not trying but you cant just push them out but i do think kids are maybe more rude and maybe think there owed something i dont know if kids are acting up there acting up noting you can do besides try to come up with better punishing rules because kids are kids and they do mess up so let them learn from it but be firm and give them couple of ttys a fair chance to learn and fix there mis steak and get a chance at a high school diploma to so people get expelled them there labeled for ever and have to miss out of alot school don't realize the impact this has on kids cowboys001
ReplyDeleteI agree with you. I think kids are being pushed out. I wish we could be more picky about the adults (school staff) that we put into the system. Some adults just do not have compassion for the things that juveniles go through in their lives. Most people have rough lives, parents who don't care or just don't have the means to get to school and back. So why make it harder for that kid to learn by making them feel like they don't matter. It's just not right. -dicaprio0001
DeleteI agree, some teachers don't have the right mentality when it comes to discipline for little offenses. If these children had help to get through this point of their life, they may not be involved in prisons in adulthood. Jah001
DeleteThe school to prison pipeline is a very intricate phenomena that has been happening since the 70's. Schools have adopted many different discipline methods that have made things worse for some students. Some of the things that have stood out to me would be the zero tolerance policies and the way that schools are outsourcing there discipline means to law enforcement. The way schools are making zero tolerance policies for their students makes it a lot more likely that students are to get expelled or fall behind in their studies which leads to more dropout rates. This contributes to the massive amount of high school dropouts that we see in todays societies. If we could give these kids a chance and teach them why what they did was wrong while still helping them get an education we could have a more successful group of scholars. Another thing we see a lot more than we did before in todays junior high and high schools is the presence of a police officer appointed by the city or county working in the schools to enforce laws. This change has made it easier for students to enter the juvenile justice system because what used to be a hallway scrap that led to kids being in the deans office and being resolved in a simpler matter of after school or saturday detentions can now be students escorted out of the school in handcuffs and treated as a criminal. They immediately toss kids into the juvenile or criminal courtrooms which can make it harder for kids to succeed. Like the article says schools with an officer had a lot more arrests for "Disorderly Conduct" than schools without. These officers can provide protection for students in the incident of a school shooting but can also be doing more damage by throwing more kids in jail. Bike001
ReplyDeleteI agree with you on many points. One thing I beleive in is that our world today is becoming more and more soft. Before, kids didn't want to behave were physically punished and not just by their parents. Teachers, principles, and others used physical punishment. I don't think that is the answer to all problems, but for the most part, I think it worked. I also think that there are times for a police officer to be called to the school to handle a situation but in most cases, teachers should be trained on how to handle a lot of these situations. Broncos001
DeleteThe approach that many schools take for disciplining children is awful. Being suspended or expelled from school is just another way to push children out of the education system altogether, and then we, as a society, become stumped by rising rates of dropping out and grade repeating. Children who have been pushed out aren’t trying to “study hard and get good grades,” they are hanging out with other kids who were kicked out of school, and as time passes they feel no desire to return, so they simply don't. It's an endless cycle and I don't think it's fair for anyone involved. School is a place for learning and teaching. Children learn what is right and what is wrong from their parents and their school, and if neither of them care enough about the children to teach them these things, then who will? School should be a place where children are excited to go instead of fearing what will happen if they get into a little trouble. Teachers should act as buffers for every single child that walks through their doors instead of making them feel ostracized from everyone else, as they are there to help their students, not hurt them. Children aren't being given a chance to better themselves, instead they are being pushed right into the juvenile justice system, which isn’t doing any good for anyone involved. EKT001
ReplyDeleteThe way some schools approach disciplining their students is just down right wrong and should be handled in a different manor. The education system to me in America has their priorities all wrong. Most schools only focus on sports and the students that play for them. All of the other students are just left to the side and forgotten about. And i've experienced that. When I was in high school I had a consoler and she didn't seem to care if I dropped out or if i just failed. It's really sad to me that student's are literally being pushed out of school. I believe that school is where you learn and grow. We should be allowed to make mistakes in high school and middle school and not have them effect our entire lives, let's save that for when we are actually all grown up. The way schools are punishing kids now a days are pushing them toward being in the criminal justice system for the rest of their lives. Like for starters I know when i was first in high school when you and another student got into an argument or a physical altercation you were sent to the deans office had an in school suspension or maybe an out of school suspension. Now a days both of the students no matter who started it get battery charges! How are you going to charge someone who is 15 years old with a battery charge that will be on his/her record for the rest of their lives. And when someone get an out of school suspension most likely that kid isn't going to be at home. That kid is going to be out on the streets probably smoking a little pot and that's going to correlate into something even bigger. Schools need to be carful the way they punish kids because it can and will affect them for the rest of their lives. School is a place to learn not only education wise, but learning to grow up. -dicaprio001
ReplyDeleteSchool discipline is greatly evolving into something that doesn't promote values like in the past. It used to be that teachers were not only in charge of teaching a student their education, but also social skills and values for the rest of their lives. Since discipline straight from the school is being limited due to legal issues. The schools now simply rely of having a police officer in the schools to enforce the laws. By bringing in officers to discipline the students, it separates the students into deviants and non deviants. Once a police officer labels a student, they tend adopt the label for a lengthy amount of time, even following them into adulthood. This process seemingly sends students from school into prisons if they are known as trouble makers. Jah001
ReplyDeleteI believe that students who do bad behavior should be held accountable for their actions, but should not be suspended or expelled from school (unless it is a serious crime). Suspending a kid from school will only make it worse because when they come back they can feel everyone judging and looking at them differently. Expelling someone from school does not benefit the student one bit. For those who get expelled for having drugs on them, I believe there are better alternatives than kicking them out of school. For example, they can do community service to show them the positives of being in a good community. What I also found interesting is that black kids are three times more likely to get suspended than white kids. For those who think that white privilege does not exist, this can show that it does. If a white a black person does the same thing; they both deserve the same punishment. What I also found shocking is that schools with a resource officer there are more crimes being committed. A kid should not have to be arrested for something that can be talked out in a conference room. Kicking a kid out of school has no positive’s to the kids only negative’s; I do not agree that kids who do minor offenses should be suspended or expelled. bamboo001
ReplyDeleteI agree with the idea that students are pushed out in some schools. It is almost like they are set up for failure. There are some teachers today that are just doing the job for the money and not to make a positive difference. And when they get a student they dont like, they give up and eventually push that student out of school. Now, when a student is kicked out or drops out. They have free time, and in some cases, they fill that free time by getting involved with other kids who were pushed out. In a lot of cases, the things they are getting involved with involve gangs, drugs, and other illegal acts. Which then leads them to prison. We need alternative ways to punish kids instead of driving them out of the classroom and eventually into a cell. We need teachers who are willing to work with students and not against them and who are in the career to really have a positive impact on kids lives, and not just to cash a check. Broncos001
ReplyDeleteThe environment within the schools that kids are surrounded with have a large effect on them while growing up. Kids spend generally 12 years of their lives in school. Younger grades like Kindergarten have some effect on their lives later on into high school. But high school is where kids are effected the most. They are being introduced to so many different kinds of delinquent illegal behavior, they are at risk of being influenced by it. Eventually leading to kids being kicked out of school and "pushed out". Things like joining gang lead to drugs and violence. All of these negative influences just cause kids of drop out of school and be neglected by teachers. Academic failure is a major contributor to drop outs in high school. If we can keep kids off the streets and in school, it would be in everybody's best interest. Bry001
ReplyDeleteI agree with this because bad behavior is not a good way to be kicked out of somewhere or even get killed or injured. Dropping out school will get you no where in life because you don't have a degree and you won't get a high paying job somewhere nice. golfer001
DeleteYou always got to be safe in schools because there might be a fight brewing somewhere. Watch your back. I like the zero tolerance policy because it teaches us not to fight and not to harm anybody because if we do, we might get suspended or expelled from school for a lone time. Don't be an idiot and do what you are told, don't slack off and do bad things. If you do bad things, it's just going to get you in trouble with the school and the police if they have to come to the school. Just keep your guard up and don't let your anger get to you. Golfer001
ReplyDeleteIn order to succeed in being able to focus on learning, students need to be able to have a safe learning environment; however, zero tolerance policies that mandate a specific punishment be applied to a broad area of offenses take away the discretion necessary to maintaining good order and discipline in a classroom environment. Due to these zero tolerance policies many students can be given unjust and disproportionate punishments when they engage in minor offenses. These can have a profound impact on a students chance at success in life and can push students closer to the threshold of having a criminal career in adulthood, because students who miss school due to time spent out of school for a suspension are more likely to be held back a grade or drop out. Having students arrested over petty offenses and over minor school rule violations is also the wrong answer. It could happen in some schools because teachers are either uncaring, negligent, or complacent in not caring about a student's future and want someone else to resolve a student's bad behavior. It could also be that teachers don't believe that every student will be successful and decide that the problem disruptive students should be removed so that the others have a better chance at succeeding without being distracted by troublemakers. Either way it is a problem that needs to be addressed. Many problem teachers that would be listed in the former example would also be part of a teachers union and would likely be difficult to reform or remove. One of the solutions mentioned in the article was to have school discipline policies that disproportionately affect minorities be suppressed in use. While well intentioned, this idea ignores that many problem schools are majority minority and are located in areas where many of the minority kids could come from homes where supervision is either lacking or unavailable. To just say that the system is racist will not solve the problem, it is too simple an answer for a complex problem and will not lead to viable solutions. Worse still, it could increase what is unfortunately an already growing racial divide in this country. Instead of seeing themselves as needing to rely on the criminal justice system--which could build a record for delinquent students if not damage their self image into thinking they are criminals--teachers and school administrators should have the authority to both administer adequate corrective action on their students as well as ensure they have both a safe learning environment and a safe way to travel home with minimal exposure to bad influences outside of schools. CoolGuy001
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