In the Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner clip, Sidney is deviating from what his father is telling him. His father says that because he did everything for Sidney and worked his hardest to raise him, Sidney owes him. Sidney is deviant and presents a counterargument. He explains that it is a father’s duty to do everything he can do in life to help his descendants achieve more in their lives, so he does not owe his father anything. He is breaking from his father’s beliefs and thoughts, and Sidney’s father responds with a bit of outrage over his son’s actions. ‘How dare he go against his own father! Does he not comprehend how much I have done for him, what I have given up to provide a better life for him? He clearly is indebted to me.’ In Sidney’s father’s mind, different means disrespect. His father has grown up in a culture where your parents are looked very highly upon, and you owe everything you have to those who raised you. His culture has defined deviating from this mentality as disrespect, which is why he is so outraged by Sidney’s behavior, and Sidney does not mean to disrespect his father. He has just developed a different understanding of who owes whom in a father son relationship. Sidney still loves his father, but his experiences have shaped a greater sense of entitlement within him. Because his separate culture has shaped him differently from his father’s, he is seen as very deviant to his father. It is just like when a teenager enters a new friend group, and that friend group looks down upon homework and the institution of school, so the teenager does not do his homework because that culture has shaped him. After the semester, when his mom opens up his report card and sees his 2.0 GPA, she flips out on him. Her culture she has built at home where academic success is looked very highly upon is been disrespected and deviated from, and she is livid. aardvark123
Aardvark123 you made sound and reasonable remarks - at least to me. Sidney's experiences are different from his Dad. In fact, his experiences are what created the chasm between them. Deviance here may in fact be beneficial in the long run as his Dad was able to see generational change and maybe some positive outcomes....maybe. JustSayingCauseImFeelingThePost345
Guess Who’s Coming To Dinner has a very powerful scene about the meaning of deviance to a son and father. I thought the scene was very interesting to watch because it really brought out a different way of viewing deviance. When watching the scene, we were able to see the father and son’s point of view. From the father’s point of view, a parent's child is devient when they are not listening to the parent or doing what the parent wants them to do. We grow up listening to what our parents say. Our parents want what's best for us. Especially when we are younger, we are not old enough to know determine what are the correct kind of decisions to make. According to the father, the moment we start defying our parents, we begin to show deviance. The father argues that any form of deviance is disrespectful and shows how ungrateful a child is. Sidney's father is saying that because a parent gives everything to their child, the child owes that parent by listening to everything they say. The son shares a different opinion with his father. The son points out, that at a certain age, there comes a point when we gain our own identity and don’t need to necessarily follow everything our parents say. Just because one one does not listen to something their parent says does not indicate that they are being disrespectful and deviant. As we become older, there come a point when we are ready to make our own decisions in life. Sidney says that a parent should always give everything they can to their children. However, that does not necessarily mean that the child must continue to owe them when they are adults and making decisions on their own. The son additionally makes a point about the differences between generations. Society changes from generation to generation. An older generation typically wants to continue to pass down what they think is right to the next generation. However, change always occurs in the younger generation and it does not necessarily mean that the younger generation is deviant when they don’t pick up the same societal habits and behaviors. Check123
Right on Check123. I see and understand your point that deviance does have a bit of 'relative' to it. The scene clearly was demonstrative of deviance from many angles. BeenDeviantMostMyLife345
In this clip, there is tension between a father and son due to each of their acts of deviance. The father is angry at his son because of the deviant way he has abandoned all that his parents have done for him throughout his life. Normally, in this culture, it seems that parents have the right to guide you in the direction they want you to head because of the time, money, and support they have provided. Sydney, on the other hand, disrespects his father’s efforts by disregarding his plan for him and becoming his own person, one who doesn’t need or care for his father’s or mother’s wishes anymore. To the father, this is strange and unacceptable. Now from the son’s point of view, as a young man part of a new generation, his father is supposed to be open to who he can become without him and is supposed to give him space after his efforts of raising a child he purposefully brought into the world. Sydney believes that parents are supposed to do all that they can for their child up until they become their own person, and then they no longer should have control. His father is being deviant because he is still trying to tell Sidney how to live his life and not accepting that Sidney is making his own decisions. I think that both acts of deviance conflict to cause change in both people. This is because in the end, they seem to mutually agree that the love they have for each other will always be there, and the rest is just a change that must happen at one point in their lives. Sidney is going to accept that he is his own decision-maker and his father will accept that he doesn’t have control over his son, creating a new type of relationship between the two. -Kiwi123
In this clip from Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner, Sidney and his father are in a heated argument because they both think the other one is being deviant. In the father's generation, the majority of their point of views is that everything they do to help their kids is a debt and the kids owe them for everything they have done. This is a valid point because when you are doing so much for a person I can see where you would expect them to be under obligation to listen and obey all of your requests. The son brings up his thoughts next. He argues that since his father made the decision to bring him into the world, he is responsible for providing the best he can for him. For this reason, he reasons that he does not owe his father anything because his father was only doing what he was supposed to. I think that this is also a very valid point because Sidney did not ask his father to bring him to the world or work to buy his education, his father made that choice on his own. From these two opposing points of view we can see that their arguments both stem from the differing cultures they are in. The father's culture led him to believe that children are in debt to their parents, because his father had probably taught him that. Sidney’s culture is that of the newer generation who believes that they do not owe their parents and this view was created from gradual changes in society. For the father and the son, their cultural norms are different so what they consider deviant is different. They are both being deviant in respect to each other's culture, but are following the norm for their own culture. -Chameleon123
Sidney demonstrates deviance because he yells at his father. His father is attempting to use informal social control to persuade his son from being in a relationship with a white girl. Sidney then tells his father to shut up to which his father says “you don’t say that to me” because it is not normal for a son to demonstrate that amount of disrespect at that time period. He is being lectured by his father and then he begins to lecture his father. In most father-son relationships especially in the 1960s it is not appropriate for a son to yell at the father, even if a son disagrees with what the father is saying about the son. The son has been taught to respect elders. Sidney believes that he owes his father nothing because he believes it is a parent’s job to care for their children with no expectation of repayal. He says “I owe you nothing if you carried that bag a million miles you did what you were supposed to do because you brought me into this world and from that day you owed me everything you could ever do for me.” At that time period and still today there is a feeling that children must listen to their parents rules out of respect for all the sacrifices they made on account of having children, but Sidney believes that those sacrifices are not truly sacrifices if the parents are looking for repayment from the children. Sidney is being deviant from his father’s generation because they did not believe that freedom from racism and interracial relations were a possibility because there was such a strong stigma against it. Sidney recognizes that society is shifting so he can be in a meaningful relationship with a white girl and he wants his father to realize that, but at the same time he knows he never will because his father experiences a cultural lag because he is 30 years older than Sidney. -Glass123
There is a heated discussion between a father and son in the clip Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner. The father is saying that his grown son should listen to what he is telling him because of everything that him and his mother have sacrificed so his son could be successful. He even throws in a comment about how his mom sacrificed owning a warmer coat so that they could pay for his needs. In the fathers mind the fact that his son is not following his instructions means he is being deviant. Whereas, the son argues back saying that he never once asked his parents to sacrifice anything for him. That everything his parents did for him is something they should have done anyways. The son said since birth it should be that his parents make sacrifices and do these things of him, that it is something he would expect them to do. And if the son has kids he would be expected to make sacrifices for his kids as well to make sure that they had everything they needed. The clip ended with the son saying that he loved his father, even if he did not agree with everything his father thought was right. In the son’s eyes, the father was acting deviant because in the sons generation parents didn’t really have a say in what their grown children did. I can see both sides of the situation. In the older generation, the norms were different than what it is in the newer generation. I don’t think there was one person in the right or one person in the wrong. They simply had differing points of view of they both vocalized it to each other’s faces, which I thought was commendable. At least they had the courage to say what was on their mind instead of silently brewing about it. sunflower123
In the movie clip of “Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner?” we see a scene where there is an argument between a father and a son. Both parties are showing signs of deviance. In the father’s eyes the son is being deviant by disrespecting him by not only talking back to him but yelling at him. When the movie was released this was not heard of. In the son's eyes the father is being deviant by telling his son how to live his life and is still making decisions for him even after he is a grown man. The father argues that the son owes him because of all the sacrifices he and his wife have made to get him the education he has received. The father even says that his wife has sacrificed things like a warm coat to provide the son with an education. The father also reminds the son of all the hard work he had endured to provide for his son. The son counter argues that he owes his father nothing. The son said that you brought me into this world, and because of this he is owed nothing. Since the son was born it was his father’s responsibility to raise his son and provide for him the best care he can give. So the son feels that he doesn't owe his father because it was what his father was suppose to do. At the end of the clip the son sees that they are seeing things differently in their own mind. So the son says that he still loves his father and he always has. The father does need to see this. It is hard to raise someone their whole life making their decisions for them and teaching them from right and wrong to let them go. Eventually though it needs to be done. So the father needs to let his son go and let him make his own decisions whether the right ones or the wrong ones and let his son figure out what to do. Diver 123
In a scene of the movie,"Guess whose coming to dinner" we see a good example of deviant behavior between a father and his son. The son did not want to follow in the path that his father had laid out for him. When he expressed frustration with his father, his father immediately told him to be quiet and to basically know better in how to treat him. The father explained to his son what he did for him and what he bought for him instead of his wife. When he was saying those things, I felt like he was manipulating and making his son feel guilty. After listening patiently to his father he finally shared how he felt. Everything that the son said, I agree with. There may have been a line that he said that I think he was a little disrespectful, but I understood where he was coming from. The son felt unheard and pressured to be someone he did not want to be. He stood up for himself, and explained very well in how he felt. I agree with the deviance shown in this short scene. I would have said the same thing, and I would not have allowed to be molded into something I either do not want to do or be molded into something that I am not. The best part about this scene is that both father and son are frustrated and angry with one another, but in the end they both love each other and that is one of the things I love about this scene. panda123
This clip opens up with two men who seem to be arguing. One is really calm and collected while the other is worked up. It’s from a movie that I’ve never seen before, or heard of for that matter, besides what little we’ve discussed in class about it. When the calm man tells the other “shut up and let me think”, the older man blows his top. To sum up what he is saying, he's pretty much addressing how he’s worked hard all his life to get the younger man (and himself) where he is today, and that he shouldn’t talk to him in that manner. He brings up the younger man’s mother, and how many things she gave up as well to provide for him. So far, it looks like the dad, who I’m realizing is his dad now, is trying to make his son understand how hard him and his mother worked for him to live a good life, and he wants him to see this and not disrespect them. Finally the son speaks up again when his dad says, this stays between you and me. The son chimes in with some more disrespectful slur, like nothing his dad said meant anything to him. So now it’s the son’s turn, he tells his dad that, even though he says he isn’t, he is still telling his son how and how not to live his life. He’s asking if he thinks that he owes his dad anything for what has happened in his life so far. He brings up something that I think is a pretty good point. He’s saying that his parents did what they did because they wanted to. They chose to bring their son into this world and they knew what was coming when they did. rosethorns123
This profoundly moving scene from Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner accurately portrays a generational conflict which all of us can attest to in one way or another. In this particular case, Sydnie is going against his father’s will on something, and his father lays into Sydnie after Sydnie tells him to “...just shut up and let me…” which triggers the father. The father proceeds to accuse his son of being ungrateful for all the sacrifices their generation had made for Sydnie’s generation, citing the fact that Sydnie’s mother had to go without normal things (such as a coat) to sacrifice for Sydnie. Sydnie then retaliates by stating that his father has always been too controlling while saying that he doesn’t really control Sydnie. The argument that hit me the most was when Sydnie said, “...because you brought me into this world. And from that day you owed me everything you could ever do for me, like I will owe my son if I ever have another.” This argument points out that it is essential the older generation’s civic duty to give all that they can in order for the next generation to live a better life. From what I have seen of history, this has been a fairly common belief up until the last fifty years or so. Now, from Generation X forward, we seem to be more concerned with making sure that we ourselves are able to live a more comfortable life. Sydnie goes on to say that his father does not own him and is not able to tell him when he is out of line. Having not seen any of the movie besides this clip, I summize that Sydnie’s father is overbearing; it is not that the father does not love Sydnie and want the best for him, it is just that the father is having a difficult time adjusting to the fact that Sydnie is his own person. The father needs to better transition from the role of a parent into the role of a mentor, learning to let go a little bit. -ThreeTwo123
In the short clip, "Guess Who's Coming To Dinner" Sydnie Portier comes off as being deviant to his father. The father goes on to tell his son that he owes him for everything he has done for him throughout his life to give him the opportunities to the be the man he is today. He tell Sydnie about all the work he has done to be his father and he always knows best in any situation. From the cultural norms of his time, the son is always in debt to the father. Sydnie makes a great point. He goes on to tell his father that he owes him nothing. He did what he was suppose to do, he did what you are expected to do when you take up the responsibility as a father. It really doesn't matter what the father did for him, it does not mean that he is in debt to him his entire life. Sydnie is his own man and he can make his own decisions without his father making them for him because they do not think alike, they are not raised in the same time period, with the same social norms. Sydnie is showing a sense of deviance, but it is only to his father and the way he thinks things should be. Sydnie's time period shows things much differently. Instead of the son owing the father, he states that the father owes the son because he is the person that brought this person into the world and owes them everything. The social norms of society shifted greatly between the time periods and is forever changing. The father does not own the son, he does not know what he is thinking or how he thinks. Things are much different between generations. Sydnie means no disrespect to his father, only that he understands that he cannot run his life. He wants him to know he will always love him and appreciate everything that he is done for him but it is expected for a father. Scuba123
Some people would consider Sydnie Portier as being deviant in this clip towards his father. The father has clearly given up and did a lot for this son. His son wants to follow his dreams and do what he wants to do instead of doing what his father wants. His father believes that since he has given his son those opportunities that he should be able to have control over him and what he does. I absolutely love point that Sydnie made to his father. He said that he does not owe his father anything because his father did his job or what a father should do for any of their children. This is true. He raised his son to be a good man, helped him, and gave him opportunities. That should be every fathers goal. Sydnie is not a possession of his father. He is his own man and should be able to make his own decisions. If he messes up, then his father should be there for him. It would be hard for both Sydnie and his father to fathom because they were raised in different generations. Social norms shift often, like from different generations, for example. Social norms from when my grandparents were children, are much different from when I was growing up. When children grow up to become adults, their parents should see themselves as more of a mentor than a parent. You want to guide your children, support them, and help them as much as you can but that does not mean that you should control them and tell them how to live their life because it is not fair to the children. They are their own person who is capable making their own decisions. If they were to have the same social norms growing up, it would have been easier for them to understand each other. This is why it is important to research about different generations, countries, and so forth. -softball_savvy123
As a film major, "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" is a landmark film I have always heard about but never actually seen. In this clip between Sidney and his father I find many similarities to deviances I have had with my own father in real life. Towards the end of the clip as Sidney deviates his father's remarks about being ungrateful for everything that his mother and father have done for him, Sidney exploits the large generational gaps between that of his father's generation and his own generation. He then sights these generational gaps as reason for their dramatic differences in both acceptance and appreciation. I can relate to Sidney's deviance greatly however, as I have had many conversations with my own father about why I may be doing something a certain way in m y life simply because I have grown up in a generational gap that separates us by thirty-eight years. It is remarkable to me the stark contrast that is shown between Sidney's emotions at the very end of the clip because it showcases the true realities of a father-son relationship and how it can often times alternate back and forth between love and hate; positive deviance and negative deviance. after seeing this clip in particular, I am especially interested in actually going back and watching the film in its entirety to truly get to the bottom of Sidney and his father's relationship, and its other examples of deviance throughout the course of the film. Deviance is something after learning about it in class, I find I actually involve myself with quite often due to my outlook and life and general regard towards society as an evil entity. There are many things I wish I could go back and change about my life in the past twenty years but deviance, good or bad, has obviously sent me in a different direction.-MrG123
In this video, Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner, it showed deviance between Sidney and his father. Sidney and his father was not seeing eye to eye. Sidney father feels as if Sidney owes him and should do whatever he wants him to do. Sidney father wants to control him. He explains how he did this and that for his son while he was growing up until now. Sidney let his father explain why he feels the way he feels. Sidney stood up to his father in a respectable manner. He had to put his foot down with his father, because he is grown and should live his life for himself. Sidney feels because his father bought him into this world, it was only right for his father to do what he had to do. His father owed that to him just like he would owe that to his child. I don’t understand why parent’s feel as if the children owe them something. Children did not be asked to come into this world. Once a person bares a child it is their responsible to look after, take care of, and protect that child. I must agree with the way Sidney feels. Sidney must grow up one day. Sidney is a man and he needs to make decisions on his own. I know in certain cultures the parents expect the children to obey them, but I feel it needs to be to a certain extend. Once a child has reached the age of 18 they must grow up, learn responsibilities, and experience things in life for themselves. But also from Sidney and his father engagement he still offered his father a great amount of respect. Even though the two had differences amongst themselves. Sidney showed and told his father no matter he is always going to love him. Rendezvous123
Defying the norms, going against the status quo, and swimming against the current are all ways one might define deviance. Deviant behavior is a recognized violation of cultural norms. Watching this video made me wonder where deviance comes from. I think that one way deviance arises is through new perspectives. Sydnie Portier comes off as being negatively deviant to his father. Sydnie doesn’t see it as negative deviance though. He makes the claim that his father does not have the right to treat Sydnie as he does because it is a father’s duty to give his son a decent life. Sydnie has a different perspective than many people of his father’s generation. Deviance is highly prevalent in youth, and I think that is because they offer a different perspective. These different perspectives lead to a change in actions. A lot of norms today were once viewed as deviant behavior. As we know, deviant behavior is based on cultural norms. The cultural norms are defined by the people of the culture. When youth start to make up more and more of a culture, they begin to either take on the norms or evolve them. One deviant behavior that my generation is making a norm is homosexuality. This used to be a very looked down upon deviant behavior. Many people did not allow it, and people who pursued it were often looked down upon for it. However, today it is not uncommon to see homosexual couples around the US. How did this once very deviant behavior start making its way into being a norm? Well, I believe it is because people in my generation offer a much more practical perspective on equality. We tend to see people as equal. If men and women have the right to marry, shouldn’t right be to marry whomever they want to? Who are we as a society to dismiss someone of a right just because we may not need that right? - M&M123
This clip from "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" demonstrates deviance from two different angles. Sydnie Porter's deviance can be seen ore clearly, because he wants to achieve his own dreams, not do as his father wishes. His father sees Porter as ungrateful for all the things he has done for him, so this is considered deviant behavior in his father's eyes. However looking at the argument from Porter's point of view, we can see that he thinks a father should offer his unconditional love and support no matter what. Porter makes the point that his father and his whole generation are stuck in ways of the past, so they will never understand a new way of thinking. To Porter, these things make his father's actions seem deviant. Social norms are very fluid, they are constantly changing. Different generations have a different understanding of deviance, as society has shifted it's standards. Not only is deviance heavily shown in this clip, role strain can also be seen as Porter's father is trying to be a parent and a friend. With such an age gap, these roles can be very hard to balance. You can see that it is easier for Porter to maintain the balance of friend and son because at the end of the clip he makes the point that he loves his father. He is trying to keep the peace between roles. If there was a better balance between his father's roles, there may have not been as much deviance seen in this clip. Daisy123
In the clip between Sidney and his father is a very real and relatable scene playing out. Sidney is clearly demonstrating deviance in his fathers eyes because he does not do exactly what his dad wants him too. He wants to accomplish goals on his own merit and not by his fathers. He needs to figure out things for himself and wants him to know he can do it on his own. I think older generations often tend to be very hard headed with their morals. I think that they are not as accepting and willing to change as younger generations. They believe that because they did it a certain way or because they were raised a certain way that is how everyone should behave. I have this conflict a lot with my parents over the past couple years. As I am getting older and making bigger decisions we tend to butt heads on a lot, because I feel very strongly about what I believe in. I want to figure out things for myself and do so through my own experiences. So I believe this clip is very relatable as I'm sure it is for a lot of people who viewed it. I think he respects his fathers views and understands them however he doesn't want them to be his views. I think in a way his father is having a very hard time of letting go of his son and not being able to make his decisions anymore. As I'm sure happens to many parents when their children grow up and begin to make bigger decisions about their life. However it is all the process of growing up and becoming your own person. Litv123
In the Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner clip, Sidney is deviating from what his father is telling him. His father says that because he did everything for Sidney and worked his hardest to raise him, Sidney owes him. Sidney is deviant and presents a counterargument. He explains that it is a father’s duty to do everything he can do in life to help his descendants achieve more in their lives, so he does not owe his father anything. He is breaking from his father’s beliefs and thoughts, and Sidney’s father responds with a bit of outrage over his son’s actions. ‘How dare he go against his own father! Does he not comprehend how much I have done for him, what I have given up to provide a better life for him? He clearly is indebted to me.’ In Sidney’s father’s mind, different means disrespect. His father has grown up in a culture where your parents are looked very highly upon, and you owe everything you have to those who raised you. His culture has defined deviating from this mentality as disrespect, which is why he is so outraged by Sidney’s behavior, and Sidney does not mean to disrespect his father. He has just developed a different understanding of who owes whom in a father son relationship. Sidney still loves his father, but his experiences have shaped a greater sense of entitlement within him. Because his separate culture has shaped him differently from his father’s, he is seen as very deviant to his father. It is just like when a teenager enters a new friend group, and that friend group looks down upon homework and the institution of school, so the teenager does not do his homework because that culture has shaped him. After the semester, when his mom opens up his report card and sees his 2.0 GPA, she flips out on him. Her culture she has built at home where academic success is looked very highly upon is been disrespected and deviated from, and she is livid. aardvark123
ReplyDeleteAardvark123 you made sound and reasonable remarks - at least to me. Sidney's experiences are different from his Dad. In fact, his experiences are what created the chasm between them. Deviance here may in fact be beneficial in the long run as his Dad was able to see generational change and maybe some positive outcomes....maybe. JustSayingCauseImFeelingThePost345
DeleteGuess Who’s Coming To Dinner has a very powerful scene about the meaning of deviance to a son and father. I thought the scene was very interesting to watch because it really brought out a different way of viewing deviance. When watching the scene, we were able to see the father and son’s point of view. From the father’s point of view, a parent's child is devient when they are not listening to the parent or doing what the parent wants them to do. We grow up listening to what our parents say. Our parents want what's best for us. Especially when we are younger, we are not old enough to know determine what are the correct kind of decisions to make. According to the father, the moment we start defying our parents, we begin to show deviance. The father argues that any form of deviance is disrespectful and shows how ungrateful a child is. Sidney's father is saying that because a parent gives everything to their child, the child owes that parent by listening to everything they say. The son shares a different opinion with his father. The son points out, that at a certain age, there comes a point when we gain our own identity and don’t need to necessarily follow everything our parents say. Just because one one does not listen to something their parent says does not indicate that they are being disrespectful and deviant. As we become older, there come a point when we are ready to make our own decisions in life. Sidney says that a parent should always give everything they can to their children. However, that does not necessarily mean that the child must continue to owe them when they are adults and making decisions on their own. The son additionally makes a point about the differences between generations. Society changes from generation to generation. An older generation typically wants to continue to pass down what they think is right to the next generation. However, change always occurs in the younger generation and it does not necessarily mean that the younger generation is deviant when they don’t pick up the same societal habits and behaviors. Check123
ReplyDeleteRight on Check123. I see and understand your point that deviance does have a bit of 'relative' to it. The scene clearly was demonstrative of deviance from many angles. BeenDeviantMostMyLife345
ReplyDeleteIn this clip, there is tension between a father and son due to each of their acts of deviance. The father is angry at his son because of the deviant way he has abandoned all that his parents have done for him throughout his life. Normally, in this culture, it seems that parents have the right to guide you in the direction they want you to head because of the time, money, and support they have provided. Sydney, on the other hand, disrespects his father’s efforts by disregarding his plan for him and becoming his own person, one who doesn’t need or care for his father’s or mother’s wishes anymore. To the father, this is strange and unacceptable. Now from the son’s point of view, as a young man part of a new generation, his father is supposed to be open to who he can become without him and is supposed to give him space after his efforts of raising a child he purposefully brought into the world. Sydney believes that parents are supposed to do all that they can for their child up until they become their own person, and then they no longer should have control. His father is being deviant because he is still trying to tell Sidney how to live his life and not accepting that Sidney is making his own decisions. I think that both acts of deviance conflict to cause change in both people. This is because in the end, they seem to mutually agree that the love they have for each other will always be there, and the rest is just a change that must happen at one point in their lives. Sidney is going to accept that he is his own decision-maker and his father will accept that he doesn’t have control over his son, creating a new type of relationship between the two. -Kiwi123
ReplyDeleteIn this clip from Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner, Sidney and his father are in a heated argument because they both think the other one is being deviant. In the father's generation, the majority of their point of views is that everything they do to help their kids is a debt and the kids owe them for everything they have done. This is a valid point because when you are doing so much for a person I can see where you would expect them to be under obligation to listen and obey all of your requests. The son brings up his thoughts next. He argues that since his father made the decision to bring him into the world, he is responsible for providing the best he can for him. For this reason, he reasons that he does not owe his father anything because his father was only doing what he was supposed to. I think that this is also a very valid point because Sidney did not ask his father to bring him to the world or work to buy his education, his father made that choice on his own. From these two opposing points of view we can see that their arguments both stem from the differing cultures they are in. The father's culture led him to believe that children are in debt to their parents, because his father had probably taught him that. Sidney’s culture is that of the newer generation who believes that they do not owe their parents and this view was created from gradual changes in society. For the father and the son, their cultural norms are different so what they consider deviant is different. They are both being deviant in respect to each other's culture, but are following the norm for their own culture. -Chameleon123
ReplyDeleteSidney demonstrates deviance because he yells at his father. His father is attempting to use informal social control to persuade his son from being in a relationship with a white girl. Sidney then tells his father to shut up to which his father says “you don’t say that to me” because it is not normal for a son to demonstrate that amount of disrespect at that time period. He is being lectured by his father and then he begins to lecture his father. In most father-son relationships especially in the 1960s it is not appropriate for a son to yell at the father, even if a son disagrees with what the father is saying about the son. The son has been taught to respect elders. Sidney believes that he owes his father nothing because he believes it is a parent’s job to care for their children with no expectation of repayal. He says “I owe you nothing if you carried that bag a million miles you did what you were supposed to do because you brought me into this world and from that day you owed me everything you could ever do for me.” At that time period and still today there is a feeling that children must listen to their parents rules out of respect for all the sacrifices they made on account of having children, but Sidney believes that those sacrifices are not truly sacrifices if the parents are looking for repayment from the children. Sidney is being deviant from his father’s generation because they did not believe that freedom from racism and interracial relations were a possibility because there was such a strong stigma against it. Sidney recognizes that society is shifting so he can be in a meaningful relationship with a white girl and he wants his father to realize that, but at the same time he knows he never will because his father experiences a cultural lag because he is 30 years older than Sidney. -Glass123
ReplyDeleteThere is a heated discussion between a father and son in the clip Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner. The father is saying that his grown son should listen to what he is telling him because of everything that him and his mother have sacrificed so his son could be successful. He even throws in a comment about how his mom sacrificed owning a warmer coat so that they could pay for his needs. In the fathers mind the fact that his son is not following his instructions means he is being deviant. Whereas, the son argues back saying that he never once asked his parents to sacrifice anything for him. That everything his parents did for him is something they should have done anyways. The son said since birth it should be that his parents make sacrifices and do these things of him, that it is something he would expect them to do. And if the son has kids he would be expected to make sacrifices for his kids as well to make sure that they had everything they needed. The clip ended with the son saying that he loved his father, even if he did not agree with everything his father thought was right. In the son’s eyes, the father was acting deviant because in the sons generation parents didn’t really have a say in what their grown children did. I can see both sides of the situation. In the older generation, the norms were different than what it is in the newer generation. I don’t think there was one person in the right or one person in the wrong. They simply had differing points of view of they both vocalized it to each other’s faces, which I thought was commendable. At least they had the courage to say what was on their mind instead of silently brewing about it.
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In the movie clip of “Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner?” we see a scene where there is an argument between a father and a son. Both parties are showing signs of deviance. In the father’s eyes the son is being deviant by disrespecting him by not only talking back to him but yelling at him. When the movie was released this was not heard of. In the son's eyes the father is being deviant by telling his son how to live his life and is still making decisions for him even after he is a grown man. The father argues that the son owes him because of all the sacrifices he and his wife have made to get him the education he has received. The father even says that his wife has sacrificed things like a warm coat to provide the son with an education. The father also reminds the son of all the hard work he had endured to provide for his son. The son counter argues that he owes his father nothing. The son said that you brought me into this world, and because of this he is owed nothing. Since the son was born it was his father’s responsibility to raise his son and provide for him the best care he can give. So the son feels that he doesn't owe his father because it was what his father was suppose to do. At the end of the clip the son sees that they are seeing things differently in their own mind. So the son says that he still loves his father and he always has. The father does need to see this. It is hard to raise someone their whole life making their decisions for them and teaching them from right and wrong to let them go. Eventually though it needs to be done. So the father needs to let his son go and let him make his own decisions whether the right ones or the wrong ones and let his son figure out what to do. Diver 123
ReplyDeleteIn a scene of the movie,"Guess whose coming to dinner" we see a good example of deviant behavior between a father and his son. The son did not want to follow in the path that his father had laid out for him. When he expressed frustration with his father, his father immediately told him to be quiet and to basically know better in how to treat him. The father explained to his son what he did for him and what he bought for him instead of his wife. When he was saying those things, I felt like he was manipulating and making his son feel guilty. After listening patiently to his father he finally shared how he felt. Everything that the son said, I agree with. There may have been a line that he said that I think he was a little disrespectful, but I understood where he was coming from. The son felt unheard and pressured to be someone he did not want to be. He stood up for himself, and explained very well in how he felt. I agree with the deviance shown in this short scene. I would have said the same thing, and I would not have allowed to be molded into something I either do not want to do or be molded into something that I am not. The best part about this scene is that both father and son are frustrated and angry with one another, but in the end they both love each other and that is one of the things I love about this scene.
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This clip opens up with two men who seem to be arguing. One is really calm and collected while the other is worked up. It’s from a movie that I’ve never seen before, or heard of for that matter, besides what little we’ve discussed in class about it. When the calm man tells the other “shut up and let me think”, the older man blows his top. To sum up what he is saying, he's pretty much addressing how he’s worked hard all his life to get the younger man (and himself) where he is today, and that he shouldn’t talk to him in that manner. He brings up the younger man’s mother, and how many things she gave up as well to provide for him. So far, it looks like the dad, who I’m realizing is his dad now, is trying to make his son understand how hard him and his mother worked for him to live a good life, and he wants him to see this and not disrespect them. Finally the son speaks up again when his dad says, this stays between you and me. The son chimes in with some more disrespectful slur, like nothing his dad said meant anything to him. So now it’s the son’s turn, he tells his dad that, even though he says he isn’t, he is still telling his son how and how not to live his life. He’s asking if he thinks that he owes his dad anything for what has happened in his life so far. He brings up something that I think is a pretty good point. He’s saying that his parents did what they did because they wanted to. They chose to bring their son into this world and they knew what was coming when they did.
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This profoundly moving scene from Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner accurately portrays a generational conflict which all of us can attest to in one way or another. In this particular case, Sydnie is going against his father’s will on something, and his father lays into Sydnie after Sydnie tells him to “...just shut up and let me…” which triggers the father. The father proceeds to accuse his son of being ungrateful for all the sacrifices their generation had made for Sydnie’s generation, citing the fact that Sydnie’s mother had to go without normal things (such as a coat) to sacrifice for Sydnie. Sydnie then retaliates by stating that his father has always been too controlling while saying that he doesn’t really control Sydnie. The argument that hit me the most was when Sydnie said, “...because you brought me into this world. And from that day you owed me everything you could ever do for me, like I will owe my son if I ever have another.” This argument points out that it is essential the older generation’s civic duty to give all that they can in order for the next generation to live a better life. From what I have seen of history, this has been a fairly common belief up until the last fifty years or so. Now, from Generation X forward, we seem to be more concerned with making sure that we ourselves are able to live a more comfortable life. Sydnie goes on to say that his father does not own him and is not able to tell him when he is out of line. Having not seen any of the movie besides this clip, I summize that Sydnie’s father is overbearing; it is not that the father does not love Sydnie and want the best for him, it is just that the father is having a difficult time adjusting to the fact that Sydnie is his own person. The father needs to better transition from the role of a parent into the role of a mentor, learning to let go a little bit.
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In the short clip, "Guess Who's Coming To Dinner" Sydnie Portier comes off as being deviant to his father. The father goes on to tell his son that he owes him for everything he has done for him throughout his life to give him the opportunities to the be the man he is today. He tell Sydnie about all the work he has done to be his father and he always knows best in any situation. From the cultural norms of his time, the son is always in debt to the father. Sydnie makes a great point. He goes on to tell his father that he owes him nothing. He did what he was suppose to do, he did what you are expected to do when you take up the responsibility as a father. It really doesn't matter what the father did for him, it does not mean that he is in debt to him his entire life. Sydnie is his own man and he can make his own decisions without his father making them for him because they do not think alike, they are not raised in the same time period, with the same social norms. Sydnie is showing a sense of deviance, but it is only to his father and the way he thinks things should be. Sydnie's time period shows things much differently. Instead of the son owing the father, he states that the father owes the son because he is the person that brought this person into the world and owes them everything. The social norms of society shifted greatly between the time periods and is forever changing. The father does not own the son, he does not know what he is thinking or how he thinks. Things are much different between generations. Sydnie means no disrespect to his father, only that he understands that he cannot run his life. He wants him to know he will always love him and appreciate everything that he is done for him but it is expected for a father. Scuba123
ReplyDeleteSome people would consider Sydnie Portier as being deviant in this clip towards his father. The father has clearly given up and did a lot for this son. His son wants to follow his dreams and do what he wants to do instead of doing what his father wants. His father believes that since he has given his son those opportunities that he should be able to have control over him and what he does. I absolutely love point that Sydnie made to his father. He said that he does not owe his father anything because his father did his job or what a father should do for any of their children. This is true. He raised his son to be a good man, helped him, and gave him opportunities. That should be every fathers goal. Sydnie is not a possession of his father. He is his own man and should be able to make his own decisions. If he messes up, then his father should be there for him. It would be hard for both Sydnie and his father to fathom because they were raised in different generations. Social norms shift often, like from different generations, for example. Social norms from when my grandparents were children, are much different from when I was growing up. When children grow up to become adults, their parents should see themselves as more of a mentor than a parent. You want to guide your children, support them, and help them as much as you can but that does not mean that you should control them and tell them how to live their life because it is not fair to the children. They are their own person who is capable making their own decisions. If they were to have the same social norms growing up, it would have been easier for them to understand each other. This is why it is important to research about different generations, countries, and so forth. -softball_savvy123
ReplyDeleteAs a film major, "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" is a landmark film I have always heard about but never actually seen. In this clip between Sidney and his father I find many similarities to deviances I have had with my own father in real life. Towards the end of the clip as Sidney deviates his father's remarks about being ungrateful for everything that his mother and father have done for him, Sidney exploits the large generational gaps between that of his father's generation and his own generation. He then sights these generational gaps as reason for their dramatic differences in both acceptance and appreciation. I can relate to Sidney's deviance greatly however, as I have had many conversations with my own father about why I may be doing something a certain way in m y life simply because I have grown up in a generational gap that separates us by thirty-eight years. It is remarkable to me the stark contrast that is shown between Sidney's emotions at the very end of the clip because it showcases the true realities of a father-son relationship and how it can often times alternate back and forth between love and hate; positive deviance and negative deviance. after seeing this clip in particular, I am especially interested in actually going back and watching the film in its entirety to truly get to the bottom of Sidney and his father's relationship, and its other examples of deviance throughout the course of the film. Deviance is something after learning about it in class, I find I actually involve myself with quite often due to my outlook and life and general regard towards society as an evil entity. There are many things I wish I could go back and change about my life in the past twenty years but deviance, good or bad, has obviously sent me in a different direction.-MrG123
ReplyDeleteIn this video, Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner, it showed deviance between Sidney and his father. Sidney and his father was not seeing eye to eye. Sidney father feels as if Sidney owes him and should do whatever he wants him to do. Sidney father wants to control him. He explains how he did this and that for his son while he was growing up until now. Sidney let his father explain why he feels the way he feels. Sidney stood up to his father in a respectable manner. He had to put his foot down with his father, because he is grown and should live his life for himself. Sidney feels because his father bought him into this world, it was only right for his father to do what he had to do. His father owed that to him just like he would owe that to his child. I don’t understand why parent’s feel as if the children owe them something. Children did not be asked to come into this world. Once a person bares a child it is their responsible to look after, take care of, and protect that child. I must agree with the way Sidney feels. Sidney must grow up one day. Sidney is a man and he needs to make decisions on his own. I know in certain cultures the parents expect the children to obey them, but I feel it needs to be to a certain extend. Once a child has reached the age of 18 they must grow up, learn responsibilities, and experience things in life for themselves. But also from Sidney and his father engagement he still offered his father a great amount of respect. Even though the two had differences amongst themselves. Sidney showed and told his father no matter he is always going to love him. Rendezvous123
ReplyDeleteDefying the norms, going against the status quo, and swimming against the current are all ways one might define deviance. Deviant behavior is a recognized violation of cultural norms. Watching this video made me wonder where deviance comes from. I think that one way deviance arises is through new perspectives. Sydnie Portier comes off as being negatively deviant to his father. Sydnie doesn’t see it as negative deviance though. He makes the claim that his father does not have the right to treat Sydnie as he does because it is a father’s duty to give his son a decent life. Sydnie has a different perspective than many people of his father’s generation. Deviance is highly prevalent in youth, and I think that is because they offer a different perspective. These different perspectives lead to a change in actions. A lot of norms today were once viewed as deviant behavior. As we know, deviant behavior is based on cultural norms. The cultural norms are defined by the people of the culture. When youth start to make up more and more of a culture, they begin to either take on the norms or evolve them. One deviant behavior that my generation is making a norm is homosexuality. This used to be a very looked down upon deviant behavior. Many people did not allow it, and people who pursued it were often looked down upon for it. However, today it is not uncommon to see homosexual couples around the US. How did this once very deviant behavior start making its way into being a norm? Well, I believe it is because people in my generation offer a much more practical perspective on equality. We tend to see people as equal. If men and women have the right to marry, shouldn’t right be to marry whomever they want to? Who are we as a society to dismiss someone of a right just because we may not need that right? - M&M123
ReplyDeleteThis clip from "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" demonstrates deviance from two different angles. Sydnie Porter's deviance can be seen ore clearly, because he wants to achieve his own dreams, not do as his father wishes. His father sees Porter as ungrateful for all the things he has done for him, so this is considered deviant behavior in his father's eyes. However looking at the argument from Porter's point of view, we can see that he thinks a father should offer his unconditional love and support no matter what. Porter makes the point that his father and his whole generation are stuck in ways of the past, so they will never understand a new way of thinking. To Porter, these things make his father's actions seem deviant. Social norms are very fluid, they are constantly changing. Different generations have a different understanding of deviance, as society has shifted it's standards. Not only is deviance heavily shown in this clip, role strain can also be seen as Porter's father is trying to be a parent and a friend. With such an age gap, these roles can be very hard to balance. You can see that it is easier for Porter to maintain the balance of friend and son because at the end of the clip he makes the point that he loves his father. He is trying to keep the peace between roles. If there was a better balance between his father's roles, there may have not been as much deviance seen in this clip. Daisy123
ReplyDeleteIn the clip between Sidney and his father is a very real and relatable scene playing out. Sidney is clearly demonstrating deviance in his fathers eyes because he does not do exactly what his dad wants him too. He wants to accomplish goals on his own merit and not by his fathers. He needs to figure out things for himself and wants him to know he can do it on his own. I think older generations often tend to be very hard headed with their morals. I think that they are not as accepting and willing to change as younger generations. They believe that because they did it a certain way or because they were raised a certain way that is how everyone should behave. I have this conflict a lot with my parents over the past couple years. As I am getting older and making bigger decisions we tend to butt heads on a lot, because I feel very strongly about what I believe in. I want to figure out things for myself and do so through my own experiences. So I believe this clip is very relatable as I'm sure it is for a lot of people who viewed it. I think he respects his fathers views and understands them however he doesn't want them to be his views. I think in a way his father is having a very hard time of letting go of his son and not being able to make his decisions anymore. As I'm sure happens to many parents when their children grow up and begin to make bigger decisions about their life. However it is all the process of growing up and becoming your own person. Litv123
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