I would like to start by saying that I have never seen this movie before, so outside of this scene I have no clue what is going on. From what I can see though, this man is obviously a very evil vampire disguised as an everyday righteous black man. My first clue was at the very beginning when he was clearly getting into character just before this woman came about. My other clue was the moment he started going up in smoke when he enters the church. He then takes over the church service and takes it outside where he ironically starts preaching about necessary evil. In this video he kind of serves as the necessary evil when he starts calling two different men out who are in the audience, for not being faithful to their women. Necessary evil is the evil that must be allowed to happen in order for greater things to come about. I do not agree with what he says about all evil being good, however. I feel that this man was the necessary evil that needed to happen in these situations because had he of not said anything, neither of those women would have ever found out that their men were being unfaithful. we could also consider the unfaithful men as necessary evils in the lives of these young women. These men should have made the two of them realize that they deserve so much better than that, and with that being said they can make room for better and more honest people in their lives. It seemed as though, however, that he used some sort of control to bring the situation about. He looked at the second woman with extreme intensity, the one he was talking to in the beginning, and her mood changed completely. She became very angry, turned to her partner and called him out on his acts of cheating. She may have noticed the lipstick that was left on the collar of his shirt, but surrounding visual evidence proves that probably wasn’t likely. I found this video clip to be very interesting as far as talk of necessary evils, And I just think that Eddie Murphy is the funniest guy.White789
In this video it showed Eddie Murphy who is obviously the vampire because he went into the church and started smoking. He is trying to convince people that evil is necessary. To a degree I think we can agree to this. He did make some points that made me think. Take for instance the sunny day. If we only ever had sunny days, then we wouldn’t appreciate the warmth on those days. We need storms and cloudy days to really appreciate the sunny times. The same can be said for life. If life is all sunshine and happiness, would it really be sunshine and happiness? I think it takes storms, and sometimes hurricanes, in life to truly make us appreciative of the sunny days. In the general concept of evil in general I think it is necessary. Without rule or law breakers our society and world would be completely different. It would be a Utopian type society. We would have no need for police officers, prisons, judges or anything related to the law and order systems in place now. A Utopian society comes with it’s own theorized problems and I still think that even in that type of society that you will still have an essence of evil. Now is evil good like what Eddie Murphy said? That’s an entire topic that could be debated for hours and still accomplish nothing. Evil is profitable. Evil is destructive. Evil isn’t necessary “good”. I believe that evil is necessary but saying that evil is good, I can’t agree with. pmed789
I agree with what his character says to about the sunny days and the comparison you made. You are right we cant enjoy the sun without the rain or fog. And I also agree that if we didn’t have deviance than we would have a Utopia kind of world. I really do like that though. I think it would be great to not have to worry. I wonder if we would get bored. Why do you believe evil is necessary but not good? It is said that without evil there is not good or sunshine. Which would make it necessary to have to know the difference. But evil is good because it is necessary. -Slimjim789
I also agree when he talked about the sunny days, if we did have constant days of only sun and warm we wouldn't appreciate it, instead we would take advantage of those days. But when he said evil was good I strongly disagreed because it is not good unless you enjoy seeing someone getting hurt or even yourself getting hurt, also evil isn't necessary either, it doesn't bring any positivity in our lives or make our society a better place. Ria789
“Evil is good. Without darkness, there would be no light.” I am sure everyone at some point in their life has looked back and said, “I got through that” or “I came out stronger because I went through hellfire and back.” Durkheim states that deviance or evil performs four essential functions in society the first being, deviance affirms values and norms. Evil tells us what’s right and wrong what’s normal and not normal behavior. Secondly, by responding to deviance it clarifies moral boundaries. For example, cheating on your significant other is punished by a break up or distrust. That is a moral boundary you do not cross. Three, it brings people together. Take the natural disasters that have occurred lately, those have been considered evil or the wrath of God on the places it has affected. Still we come together to help and support our brothers and sisters in need. Finally, deviance or evil, encourages moral change. “Today’s deviance can become tomorrow’s morality.” - Durkheim. My favorite example of this is slavery because people stood up for the cause like Martian Luther King Jr. and Rosa Parks. Because of their deviance (or what was considered deviant at that time) people continued to rise-up and stand their ground for their rights or as Rosa Parks did ‘sit’ her ground and in being different they all changed the world. Without deviance, or what we consider evil now, there wouldn’t be change for the future. People wouldn’t know if there was something wrong. “If it is always a sunny day, then what is a sunny day?” This clip from the move Vampire in Brooklynn is a good example shown with comedy but still a good example. It still has the viewers thinking and saying he has a point. Because it still gets the point across that evil is necessary. If we didn’t know evil, wrong doings, or what is immoral we wouldn’t know what is right, righteous, or selfless. If you do not believe in Satan then you cannot believe in God as it is Satan that temps you this was said to me by a preacher when I was younger. Even in his words evil is necessary without the devil there is no God. In almost every religion there is a tempter or temptress that tries to make evil be born. Yet how can we know what evil is if we do not know what good is. Or how can we know what good is if we do not know evil. I think it goes both ways. We wouldn’t know when to be compassionate or sympathize or when to seek justice if we didn’t know the difference between good and evil. So, I do agree evil is good. And evil is necessary. -Slimjim789
I have not watched the whole movie, but what I have perceived from this scene is that Eddie Murphy, who plays the role of a vampire, get into a church and when he sees the cross, from his head smoke started coming out. From many vampires’ movies, we know that vampires are burned and repelled by sign of a cross because vampires can not go into a church or a holy place. He reacts and tries to leave as soon as possible of the church, and my guess is, that he is trying to avoid revealing his identity as a vampire and also to avoid dying. The interesting lines of this part of the scene is, when he says “evil is necessary”, “evil is good”, “the big man (I guess is God) teaches us is two sides”, “Without darkness, there would be no light”. Those views are very similar of Durkheim’s basic ideas about deviance, “the violation of cultural norms”. Durkheim posed that deviance helps define cultural values and norms; we can only know what is good by also understanding what it is not good, there can be no good without evil and no justice without crime. He posed that deviance is necessary to define and support morality. As we can see both Murphy, as the vampire in the movie, and Durkheim think that nothing exist without its opposite. From that perspective looks like we can not understand pleasure if we do not understand pain, we can not understand love if hate does not exist, good can not exist if evil no exists. In other words we need evil to understand goodness. As a God believer I grew up believing that evil is not good, and evil is related with bad things. I do not think that we need a “Nazi holocaust” in order to understand what is good or what is bad. God create a perfect world and give us free will, but many bad people, with their poor actions, ruined it through doing evil things as genocide, crimes against humanity that put many innocent people with the status of refugees in other countries, but in some cases it is worst when innocent people petrified between the cross fire can not find a way to save their lives. Evil is bad and sad. “God did not create evil, just as darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of God.” Albert Einstein. the_soccer_league789
I really like how you made the connection to Durkheim's studies, I did not even think to mention it when I left my comment. I must have slipped my mind. Other than that, it seems we gathered about the same information from this video with us both never seeing this movie before. I've also never heard that quote by Albert Einstein that you mentioned but I really do like it. Although I am not really a person of religion in any way I still find it to be very deep and meaningful, yet simple.White789
In this video, although I didn’t get what was going on, it seemed to me that the first African American pretended to be a normal human being and pastor but he was originally a vampire. I have never seen or heard of this movie but it does look interesting although I don’t agree with it. He preached that evil was good and was necessary in the world. He went into the church but there were a few crosses so he started smoking up and he went outside with the entire congregation. He gave some example like if we only had sunny days it wouldn’t be good because we would not appreciated those days and we wouldn’t have the experience for cloudy, windy and stormy days. I agree with the example he gave but I don’t think evil is good. It would be saying killing one another is good because killing is evil or not right. But a little mistake is fine because we learn from our mistakes that is what makes us human. Once he was preaching about evil being good, he pointed out another leader of the church who was cheating with his wife which was evil but he had a good time doing which he thought was good, and then the other guy who slept with a different girl when he already had a girlfriend but he also had fun doing it, but they don’t realize whether they had fun or no they are hurting one person physically and emotionally. But he thought being evil was good because of his real identity that is what he does. I think mistakes are okay once in a while but evil isn’t okay at all not matter how you put it as. It always ends up hurting someone or even hurting yourself. Ria789
This ideology dates back to the beginning of spirituality. Best represented by the Yin-Yang symbol. There is no evil without good, in fact the come from the same source, and are even the same idea. There is no light without dark, inside without outside, etc. The ever so obvious duality of life is evident in just about everything. Murphy is right, these ideas are necessary for one another to exist. Durkheim believed this as well. He believed that this dichotomy was the essence of life. We must have this opposing force to keep going. Durkheim realized we needed deviance to become better, and to push the boundaries of moral standard. And a serious form of deviance allows people to come together to act against it. Like Murphys deviance above. This balance is how we evolve, and what keeps us going. This coincides with his functional beliefs, that everything is positive. I wish more leaders had this view. Durkhiem was completely ahead of his time with this way of thought and a lot of people today still ignore the painful duality of life. This also plays into string theory, which furthers humans and their ability to perceive cultures. Durkhiem was a believer in the collective consciousness, which is something I also believe and feel. His views on life and duality in specific show that we are all connected and furthering our connection with each action, good or bad. QuinkThick789
I would like to start by saying that I have never seen this movie before, so outside of this scene I have no clue what is going on. From what I can see though, this man is obviously a very evil vampire disguised as an everyday righteous black man. My first clue was at the very beginning when he was clearly getting into character just before this woman came about. My other clue was the moment he started going up in smoke when he enters the church. He then takes over the church service and takes it outside where he ironically starts preaching about necessary evil. In this video he kind of serves as the necessary evil when he starts calling two different men out who are in the audience, for not being faithful to their women. Necessary evil is the evil that must be allowed to happen in order for greater things to come about. I do not agree with what he says about all evil being good, however. I feel that this man was the necessary evil that needed to happen in these situations because had he of not said anything, neither of those women would have ever found out that their men were being unfaithful. we could also consider the unfaithful men as necessary evils in the lives of these young women. These men should have made the two of them realize that they deserve so much better than that, and with that being said they can make room for better and more honest people in their lives. It seemed as though, however, that he used some sort of control to bring the situation about. He looked at the second woman with extreme intensity, the one he was talking to in the beginning, and her mood changed completely. She became very angry, turned to her partner and called him out on his acts of cheating. She may have noticed the lipstick that was left on the collar of his shirt, but surrounding visual evidence proves that probably wasn’t likely. I found this video clip to be very interesting as far as talk of necessary evils, And I just think that Eddie Murphy is the funniest guy.White789
ReplyDeleteIn this video it showed Eddie Murphy who is obviously the vampire because he went into the church and started smoking. He is trying to convince people that evil is necessary. To a degree I think we can agree to this. He did make some points that made me think. Take for instance the sunny day. If we only ever had sunny days, then we wouldn’t appreciate the warmth on those days. We need storms and cloudy days to really appreciate the sunny times. The same can be said for life. If life is all sunshine and happiness, would it really be sunshine and happiness? I think it takes storms, and sometimes hurricanes, in life to truly make us appreciative of the sunny days. In the general concept of evil in general I think it is necessary. Without rule or law breakers our society and world would be completely different. It would be a Utopian type society. We would have no need for police officers, prisons, judges or anything related to the law and order systems in place now. A Utopian society comes with it’s own theorized problems and I still think that even in that type of society that you will still have an essence of evil. Now is evil good like what Eddie Murphy said? That’s an entire topic that could be debated for hours and still accomplish nothing. Evil is profitable. Evil is destructive. Evil isn’t necessary “good”. I believe that evil is necessary but saying that evil is good, I can’t agree with. pmed789
ReplyDeleteI agree with what his character says to about the sunny days and the comparison you made. You are right we cant enjoy the sun without the rain or fog. And I also agree that if we didn’t have deviance than we would have a Utopia kind of world. I really do like that though. I think it would be great to not have to worry. I wonder if we would get bored. Why do you believe evil is necessary but not good? It is said that without evil there is not good or sunshine. Which would make it necessary to have to know the difference. But evil is good because it is necessary.
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I also agree when he talked about the sunny days, if we did have constant days of only sun and warm we wouldn't appreciate it, instead we would take advantage of those days. But when he said evil was good I strongly disagreed because it is not good unless you enjoy seeing someone getting hurt or even yourself getting hurt, also evil isn't necessary either, it doesn't bring any positivity in our lives or make our society a better place.
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“Evil is good. Without darkness, there would be no light.” I am sure everyone at some point in their life has looked back and said, “I got through that” or “I came out stronger because I went through hellfire and back.” Durkheim states that deviance or evil performs four essential functions in society the first being, deviance affirms values and norms. Evil tells us what’s right and wrong what’s normal and not normal behavior. Secondly, by responding to deviance it clarifies moral boundaries. For example, cheating on your significant other is punished by a break up or distrust. That is a moral boundary you do not cross. Three, it brings people together. Take the natural disasters that have occurred lately, those have been considered evil or the wrath of God on the places it has affected. Still we come together to help and support our brothers and sisters in need. Finally, deviance or evil, encourages moral change. “Today’s deviance can become tomorrow’s morality.” - Durkheim. My favorite example of this is slavery because people stood up for the cause like Martian Luther King Jr. and Rosa Parks. Because of their deviance (or what was considered deviant at that time) people continued to rise-up and stand their ground for their rights or as Rosa Parks did ‘sit’ her ground and in being different they all changed the world. Without deviance, or what we consider evil now, there wouldn’t be change for the future. People wouldn’t know if there was something wrong. “If it is always a sunny day, then what is a sunny day?” This clip from the move Vampire in Brooklynn is a good example shown with comedy but still a good example. It still has the viewers thinking and saying he has a point. Because it still gets the point across that evil is necessary. If we didn’t know evil, wrong doings, or what is immoral we wouldn’t know what is right, righteous, or selfless. If you do not believe in Satan then you cannot believe in God as it is Satan that temps you this was said to me by a preacher when I was younger. Even in his words evil is necessary without the devil there is no God. In almost every religion there is a tempter or temptress that tries to make evil be born. Yet how can we know what evil is if we do not know what good is. Or how can we know what good is if we do not know evil. I think it goes both ways. We wouldn’t know when to be compassionate or sympathize or when to seek justice if we didn’t know the difference between good and evil. So, I do agree evil is good. And evil is necessary.
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I have not watched the whole movie, but what I have perceived from this scene is that Eddie Murphy, who plays the role of a vampire, get into a church and when he sees the cross, from his head smoke started coming out. From many vampires’ movies, we know that vampires are burned and repelled by sign of a cross because vampires can not go into a church or a holy place. He reacts and tries to leave as soon as possible of the church, and my guess is, that he is trying to avoid revealing his identity as a vampire and also to avoid dying. The interesting lines of this part of the scene is, when he says “evil is necessary”, “evil is good”, “the big man (I guess is God) teaches us is two sides”, “Without darkness, there would be no light”. Those views are very similar of Durkheim’s basic ideas about deviance, “the violation of cultural norms”. Durkheim posed that deviance helps define cultural values and norms; we can only know what is good by also understanding what it is not good, there can be no good without evil and no justice without crime. He posed that deviance is necessary to define and support morality.
ReplyDeleteAs we can see both Murphy, as the vampire in the movie, and Durkheim think that nothing exist without its opposite. From that perspective looks like we can not understand pleasure if we do not understand pain, we can not understand love if hate does not exist, good can not exist if evil no exists. In other words we need evil to understand goodness.
As a God believer I grew up believing that evil is not good, and evil is related with bad things. I do not think that we need a “Nazi holocaust” in order to understand what is good or what is bad. God create a perfect world and give us free will, but many bad people, with their poor actions, ruined it through doing evil things as genocide, crimes against humanity that put many innocent people with the status of refugees in other countries, but in some cases it is worst when innocent people petrified between the cross fire can not find a way to save their lives. Evil is bad and sad.
“God did not create evil, just as darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of God.” Albert Einstein.
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I really like how you made the connection to Durkheim's studies, I did not even think to mention it when I left my comment. I must have slipped my mind. Other than that, it seems we gathered about the same information from this video with us both never seeing this movie before. I've also never heard that quote by Albert Einstein that you mentioned but I really do like it. Although I am not really a person of religion in any way I still find it to be very deep and meaningful, yet simple.White789
DeleteIn this video, although I didn’t get what was going on, it seemed to me that the first African American pretended to be a normal human being and pastor but he was originally a vampire. I have never seen or heard of this movie but it does look interesting although I don’t agree with it. He preached that evil was good and was necessary in the world. He went into the church but there were a few crosses so he started smoking up and he went outside with the entire congregation. He gave some example like if we only had sunny days it wouldn’t be good because we would not appreciated those days and we wouldn’t have the experience for cloudy, windy and stormy days. I agree with the example he gave but I don’t think evil is good. It would be saying killing one another is good because killing is evil or not right. But a little mistake is fine because we learn from our mistakes that is what makes us human. Once he was preaching about evil being good, he pointed out another leader of the church who was cheating with his wife which was evil but he had a good time doing which he thought was good, and then the other guy who slept with a different girl when he already had a girlfriend but he also had fun doing it, but they don’t realize whether they had fun or no they are hurting one person physically and emotionally. But he thought being evil was good because of his real identity that is what he does. I think mistakes are okay once in a while but evil isn’t okay at all not matter how you put it as. It always ends up hurting someone or even hurting yourself.
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This ideology dates back to the beginning of spirituality. Best represented by the Yin-Yang symbol. There is no evil without good, in fact the come from the same source, and are even the same idea. There is no light without dark, inside without outside, etc. The ever so obvious duality of life is evident in just about everything. Murphy is right, these ideas are necessary for one another to exist. Durkheim believed this as well. He believed that this dichotomy was the essence of life. We must have this opposing force to keep going. Durkheim realized we needed deviance to become better, and to push the boundaries of moral standard. And a serious form of deviance allows people to come together to act against it. Like Murphys deviance above. This balance is how we evolve, and what keeps us going. This coincides with his functional beliefs, that everything is positive. I wish more leaders had this view. Durkhiem was completely ahead of his time with this way of thought and a lot of people today still ignore the painful duality of life. This also plays into string theory, which furthers humans and their ability to perceive cultures. Durkhiem was a believer in the collective consciousness, which is something I also believe and feel. His views on life and duality in specific show that we are all connected and furthering our connection with each action, good or bad. QuinkThick789
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