Passion is a strong and barely controllable emotion. We feel passionate about love, about family, and about a many assortment of other things. Is passion, this great emotional state, learned over time or are we born with it? Charles Darwin says that human behavior is was instinctive. Woman are born to be compassionate and men are born to be rational. So, is Darwin right? Are we all born with passion? Or is Darwin’s approach a simple concept. Here in the clip it is stated that men loose passion, women obviously keep it over time while the men as they grow older forget what passion is. Or what passion feels like. Is passion chalked down to a biological study, that this is just nature and that is how it is supposed to be? Or is psychologist John B. Watson’s theory called behaviorism more accurate? Behaviorism states that behavior is not instinctive but learned over time. Passion is learned from what our culture perceives as passion, we learn this and accept passion to be love and great feel towards a cause. Nurture is our nature. Maybe Beau Richards is trying to tell us that Coral Gilligan’s theory of moral development is very important for this certain clip. Gilligan claims boys have justice perspective and girls have a care and responsibility perspective. Boys rely on formal rules to decide right from wrong. Since interracial marriage was a new concept in the 1960’s I can imagine how some might still see it as deviant. Both the fathers in this movie seemed to stick to the rules of the society they grew up in and did not want to budge. The mothers however, seemed to be more understanding and caring of the couple’s feelings of the situation. The fathers try to push this cultural transmission on the boy to explain why they feel the way they feel. They do not however come right out and say it but beat around the bush. Passion is an emotional behavior; however, I feel that having passion is part of our values as a human race. -Slimjim789
SlimJim - Nice work. Yes Interracial relationships were not readily acceptable in the 1960s, yet they did exist on the DL. Culture changes people and people change culture or similtaneously - Just your point of view.....LoveSomeKramer345
I agree with you, interracial marriages or miscegenation were not acceptable in the 1960s not that no one wanted to but because it was illegal for a black male to marry a white female. African Americans were not as equal as white people, because the white people were superior and had more power than black people. They also held jobs for African Americans, so of a black male were to marry a white female; it would look like he was taking advantage over her, even if they both were deeply in love with each other. Also passion isn’t something we learn or were taught, but it is our nature and value as human beings. Ria789
To begin to look at socialization, we must begin with Charles Darwin. Charles Darwin’s study of evolution asserted that human behavior was our “nature” and human behavior is nothing more than instinctive. This led to ideas that women are emotional by nature, while men are more rational in nature. However, the role of nurture is important in realizing one’s biological potential, as the psychologist John Watson described through behaviorism. The basis of behaviorism states that behavior is learned through “nurture” rather than instinctive, which is what Beau Richards is hinting at. When men are younger, they are taught to be respectful and nice to women—hold their doors open, walk on the outside of the sidewalk, etc. When they start to grow up and become more sexual beings, they try to woo women for sexual or romantic reasons. Today, sex is very normalized, and the time the movie was made was the peak of the sexual revolution, where it started becoming normalized and popularized. This sexual time for men is when passion is at its height. As men develop, they develop a justice perspective, Carol Gilligan explains, while women develop a care-and-responsibility perspective. This means that women reason through their personal relationships while men follow laws and formal rules to define right or wrong, further explaining that men become more reasonable as time passes. While personality might not change over time, behavior does, which Beau Richards is pointing out in the clip. A big part of socialization and how it affects behavior is through the agents of socialization, such as family, the school, peer groups, or the mass media. In the 1960s a big part of the media was instilling the already-there idea that men were the head of the household and the leaders of the family, while ads geared towards women were mostly cleaning or cooking ads. This idea is still present somewhat, but much more then. Family instills this idea in us when we are young through watching our own parents and the others further enforce that idea. This power that men are given can come out too strong sometimes and overshadows their passion. I agree with Richards that as a man develops and is socialized in a very male-dominated culture, passion tends to die out as he grows older. Catzfuhdays789
I accidentally posted it as not anonymous. I will repost. To begin to look at socialization, we must begin with Charles Darwin. Charles Darwin’s study of evolution asserted that human behavior was our “nature” and human behavior is nothing more than instinctive. This led to ideas that women are emotional by nature, while men are more rational in nature. However, the role of nurture is important in realizing one’s biological potential, as the psychologist John Watson described through behaviorism. The basis of behaviorism states that behavior is learned through “nurture” rather than instinctive, which is what Beau Richards is hinting at. When men are younger, they are taught to be respectful and nice to women—hold their doors open, walk on the outside of the sidewalk, etc. When they start to grow up and become more sexual beings, they try to woo women for sexual or romantic reasons. Today, sex is very normalized, and the time the movie was made was the peak of the sexual revolution, where it started becoming normalized and popularized. This sexual time for men is when passion is at its height. As men develop, they develop a justice perspective, Carol Gilligan explains, while women develop a care-and-responsibility perspective. This means that women reason through their personal relationships while men follow laws and formal rules to define right or wrong, further explaining that men become more reasonable as time passes. While personality might not change over time, behavior does, which Beau Richards is pointing out in the clip. A big part of socialization and how it affects behavior is through the agents of socialization, such as family, the school, peer groups, or the mass media. In the 1960s a big part of the media was instilling the already-there idea that men were the head of the household and the leaders of the family, while ads geared towards women were mostly cleaning or cooking ads. This idea is still present somewhat, but much more then. Family instills this idea in us when we are young through watching our own parents and the others further enforce that idea. This power that men are given can come out too strong sometimes and overshadows their passion. I agree with Richards that as a man develops and is socialized in a very male-dominated culture, passion tends to die out as he grows older. Catzfuhdays789
Is Beau Richards Correct? As Life Progresses – Is There a Loss of Passion For Men? The conversation between Mrs. Prentice and Mr. Drayton was very powerful; she proposed that it seems to be when sexual things no longer matter to older men they become blind men who can’t see what is right in front of them. They have forgotten what it was like to experience true passion. We feel passion for our husband/wife, family, friends which is a barely controllable emotion. Mr. and Mrs. Drayton did a great job in socialization of Joanna; the lifelong social experience people develop their human potential and learn culture. After the initial shock of the relationship the more Mr. and Mrs. Drayton thought about it, it wasn’t all that shocking based on the way they had raised Joanna. Charles Darwin let people to think that human behavior was rather instinctive, simply our “nature”; women are naturally “emotional” while men are naturally “rational”. Then you have psychologist John B. Watson who developed a theory called behaviorism which states that behavior is not instinctive but learned. This is simply explaining that people everywhere are equally human only differing by their cultural patterns. Watson argued that human behavior is nurture. I think that social experience is also important because it’s the foundation of personality, a person’s patterns of acting, thinking, and feeling. John and Joanna are very happy and in love with one another despite the social biases their marriage will face. Their mothers were able to relate to their feelings, being in love and the passion they must feel for one another. Their fathers are not taking that into consideration instead they are only looking at the fact that they have a problem. That problem is that fact that they are not the same race. The fathers do not want to see either of their children get hurt, and want them to understand the social-conflict this marriage will cause for them and their extended family. I also think it’s important to mention that both families in this family are of high social standing. I think that also helped that they were otherwise equal; it was just that their culture/race was different.
Socialization is part of the human nature and it a normal behavior for all existing living organisms, this is when Charles Darwin’s study comes in place. Charles Darwin’ study of evolution stated that human behavior was our own nature meaning we were born with it. As most of us would say the women and men differ when it comes to being emotional and passionate because this is a conclusion that came from Darwin’s study that women are naturally emotional by nature while men are rational in nature. This also brings up what each gender is supposed to be like or how they are expected to act like, women are expected to be gentle, sympathetic, compassionate, and tenderhearted and while men are expected to be rough, athletic, strong, non-sympathetic etc. In this short clip, Beau Richard brings up the topic that when men grow older they forget everything and lose passion. Men are known being direct and women commonly known for being indirect. Passion may slow down as men reach puberty because they are transitioning from being teenagers to adults they want to be manly as the world expects them to be. Now is passion “nature or nurture”? Passion is nature because we were born with it and it is something we need to get through each day. The question “Is there a loss of passion for me”, Beau Richard is not correct about men losing passion as they grow because it is not something we learned it is something we were born with, so no there is no loss of passion for men because they do have a belief of a cause in something they like and believe in. Passion may not be shown directly but it doesn’t mean they have lost it. Also the whole interracial dating and marriage was not popular back then that is why the dad was not so passionate about their kid’s relationship and choices. It brought a cultural shock to them because they were two different races and probably had different ethnicities as well. Ria789
Around the time this movie was made, the idea of miscegenation or even marriage was still too modern for their day and age, in turn came as a shock to most. Despite all of the odds and negativity that the young couple knew would surround their interracial marriage, they continued with what makes them truly happy. The movie “Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner,” is a prime example of two families of the late 1900’s with different amounts of income and wealth experiencing modernization. Back in the day, and even seen today, the idea of global stratification plays immense role in everyday life and even then, people also lived in such a patriarchal world where the role a child would play in life was based solely on their gender. Typically, a young boy was taught to be the decision maker and to be the dominant role, while the young girl was supposed to learn how to be submissive and how to become a caregiver. John’s mother, Mrs. Prentice, grew up learning how to be that nurturer for her family along with other gender roles she would have to preform, which included understanding how each gender tends to act when it came to emotions. Knowing what she’s been taught growing up and knowing very well of their age, Mrs. Prentice believed Joanna’s father Matt Drayton had just simply forgotten what it was like to be head over heels in love. For Mrs. Prentice, these teachings and experiences as a young child has then created this prejudicial proposition that all men as they get older tend to overlook what love actually means and how it feels. Ageism is not exclusively for the younger generation to experience, Mrs. Prentice made it very clear that she believes that old men, particularly her husband and Matt, just “forget” what it is like to be young and to be in love, they just “forget it all.” Despite their difference in race, their similarities of ethnicities and the mutual importance of their children’s happiness was just enough to help Matt open his heart. It helped remind Matt of the love he had experienced with Joanna’s mother, Christina, when they were their age. This act of love is undeniably deviant just based on societies grasp on the social control of that time period. Although interracial marriage may not have been illegal in some states, it was still going against societies norms that had been in place for many years. Love really is a beautiful act. It does not see the differences of color or fortune, it is just the way of the heart that no one can truly explain. MelRich895
This clip is a clear example of a huge sociological problem. The lust that males feel as young men slowly fades into nothing over time. Especially when they have been with the same woman for that time. Unfortunately, this seems to be in our nature. I wouldn't necessarily say that men lose passion, but their sexual drive definitely dwindles. In this movie in specific, it is clear that the older men are only thinking about the long term effects of the young couples relationship, and not the present moment. I think that both the women and men's way of thinking combined resulted in a perfect symbiotic idea of love. Tough love, that would not be easy at times. I believe that this is the way life typically pans out, in that opposite ideas concoct a greater purpose. An obvious pattern amongst women would show that they have great empathy for young love, while men stand-off against it. This social stratification between men and women is what makes human relationships work. I would have to side with the Darwinian concept that this is just simply human nature of woman being based in emotion while men base their feelings in ration. This scene is interesting because a black woman is telling a white man how it truly is. During this time white men were seen as the end all be all of the human hierarchy. While the minority women were looked at to be on the opposite end of the spectrum. This scene was definitely a turning point in the movie, which ultimately led Joeys father to make his final decision. As life progresses men lose their drive for sexual activity, which in turn makes them forget about young love. I’m uncertain if this will ever change, as this way has been engrained in humans for a long time.QuinkThick789
I agree with you that men do not lose their passion, but after living for a certain amount of time with a woman they love, not all men’s lust doesn’t fade away, because they chose to love that one person only. Unless you are that guy whose feeling changes every single time, then you should not be married. But I see where you are coming from; the two males of the family were really worried about the long term effects of their kids who were going to be in a miscegenation marriage. All the racism would come down towards them and their surrounding would be always be judged just for the choices they made. Ria789
In this scene Mrs. Prentice is discussing with Mr. Dayton how when sexual things no longer matter older men seem to show less passion and forget what they have in front on them. Charles Darwin study says that human behavior was instinctive and our nature, women are naturally more emotional, and men are more rational. When society thinks of women they automatically assume that all women are emotional and more compassionate then men are they look at men as if any of them don’t care about a lot of things and kind of have a nonchalant personality. The psychologist John B. Watson states that behavior isn’t instinctive, but it is learned over time. So, if someone grew up with people who shows passion/emotions then they are most likely to do the same. Most men tend to forget what they are taught once they get older because they are exposed to more things, once they get what they want they seem to show less passion to their significant other. I feel that Coral Gilligan theory of moral development relates to this clip. Coral Gilligan states that women have a more care and responsibility perspective while men have a justice perspective. What he means by that is women are more understanding and try to find solutions to the problems that they are having while men are more serious and stick to the rules. In this movie both mothers are understanding about their children situation because they remember that they were once like them and they can tell that they both really love each other. On the other hand, their fathers are against them getting married because at that time period a white woman marrying an African American man wasn’t allowed and both of their fathers aren’t letting them forget that, that’s why Mr. Dayton was so against the two getting married most of the movie because he doesn’t want his daughter to be hurt in the future because people are so against what she is doing. Crown789
This video started out with the question on what happens to men when they grow old? Or why do they tend to forget everything? Behaviorism plays a role in men and women lives. Behaviorism is not instinctive but it is learned over time. While she is speaking she asks the question on do you see what’s happened to them? How they feel about each other? The problem is both men from both sides of the family are really concerned about the Race-Conflict Theory that is happening between the two families. As Racial Inequality is in this entire movie, Edward Burghardt saw sociology as the key to solving society’s problems, especially racial inequality problems. The women in this video valued her Values and Beliefs but knew that her Cultural transmissions were not going to pass to the next generation as things were already changing so fast in the backyard meet and greet. The lady speaks on the behalf of herself and his wife and that showed Presentation of self, because she wanted to make sure he didn’t forget the impression of himself in the minds of others like his wife's. As he stood there and listened to what she had to say about her emotions and how she felt as men grow older they tend to forget what it was like for them when they were younger and everything was happening to them, he stood there with Nonverbal Communication showing Body language as he simply had a concerned face, looking outward listening and taking in what she had to say. I can say that even though she wanted him to understand that at this current time of change in his backyard, that is was no different back when he first had those feelings for his own wife. This lady had a lot of Emotions like the ones Paul Ekman explained the six basic emotions we all go through all while she tried to make it clear the reality of their Social Interaction. But in the end that was okay because Charles Darwin went over Socialization and how human behavior especially women are emotional by nature while men were complete opposite. The Perspective of men and women were totally different than what the gender roles are today. unknownzeeha789
Love, and sexual passion, are what Mrs. Prentice finds lacking in not only her own husband, but all men of his ilk and age. Is she right? Is there something in the water causing our husbands or lovers to fall slowly out of love, out of desire for us? Is there a clock running out on every relationship? I think that Mrs. Prentice was very much a woman of her time, trying to put into words the frustration of her gender, shaking a fist at uncaring spouses everywhere. In the 60's, nearing the 70's, the sexual revolution was just on the verge of taking place, and women were just beginning to take their sexuality into their own hands. It was still a new concept, and both Mrs. Prentice and her husband were from an older generation, before sex and the liberation of such topics were commonplace. Enter- ageism. Older men, she repeats. Men grow older and forget. As though younger men don't often lose passion for their significant others. I personally support her theory, though not because of gender. Moreso because of the social isolation often experienced by the elderly. In our book, it is even clearly stated that half the elderly that say they experience loneliness are married. These people are not physically alone, but they construct their own mental walls that prevent the rest of the world from getting to them. I think that Mrs. Prentice is just dead tired of pounding at her husband's walls. Social stratification would also shift Mrs. Prentice's worldview to a completely different hemisphere than Matt's. Mrs. Prentice is married to a retired mailman, a working class career that required she go without much of her life. Matt on the other hand comes from a very privileged position. White, wealthy, male. His social mobility is at the very precipitous top. This class difference is important because high-income couples tend to have a more egalitarian approach to their relationships. They divide up their resources equally, do more things together, such as that ice cream date we saw Matt and Christina go on, and generally share a more equal lifestyle. Poorer people on the other hand will adhere much more strictly to gender roles, and for much of her life, Mrs. Prentice may have been pigeonholed into the ideal of what womanhood was supposed to be in her generation, taking care of her home and child while her husband played breadwinner and patriarch. This leaves little room for her to voice her opinions in day to day life, let alone in the bedroom. You see, a woman demanding satisfaction from her husband would be breaking a norm whereas a husband demanding satisfaction from his wife would be the norm. It was a little bit of a cultural lag, men being slow to realize that women, even women of a 'certain age' were sexual, passionate creatures that still needed touch and romance, and when they were not provided it, they would be a bit frustrated, to say the least. It reminds me of the Victorian ages when a woman's sex drive was called hysteria, or when it was ignored entirely and called myth. Freud's elements of personality list the very first as a need for sexual and emotional bonding, or a "life instinct". life instinct. We need it to live. He called it eros, I call it basic survival. Finally, the big question. Do I believe that Mrs. Prentice is right? I believe that Mrs. Prentice believes that she is right. I believe that she is honest and true in every word, in every syllable. That as we all construct our own reality, her perception of reality is coming through loud and clear as a bell, and that she is an eloquent and well spoken woman. That's all we can ever ask of anyone.
Beau Richards states men loose passion the older they grow. I believe this to be a biological trait associated with men. Mainly erectile disfunction. As funny as it may be it is true and also tends to take away a male's sex drive along with all the passion that comes with it. Also without the modern medicine we have today there is no such thing, or very few pills or other medicines to help counteract this. Also a quote from Psychology Today states that “...women’s idea of passionate sex depends far more centrally on novelty than does men’s”(PT). This shows that a women may feel that because a man does not have the desire to have sex anymore, all the real passion or novelty, as stated in the quote, is gone from the relationship. However, another reason I believe this is brought up in the movie is because of the marriage dilemma unfolding. Men tend to be more rational as they enter their later years in life, and it is very possible that the father in the movie is more focused on other thing in his life besides passion in his marriage. And on top of that he is now in a high stress situation because he has a very important decision to make about his daughter's future. Im sure that many things are going through his mind, even though he is not racist, because of the time period in the movie he is worried that his daughter will have a rough and hard life being married to a black man. All of this stress placed on the father might also have a reflection on his passion towards the relationship. Navajo789
The conversation they both had in this scene of the movie really get you thinking. The movie does a great job are representing the behavioral patterns of people at different stages of their life. Even though the movie shows Joanna’ father losing passion it may not be him losing the love for this daughter because in his mind he was doing what he thought was best for her and that is just human nature and instinct. Regarding the loss of sexual passions, I think it just depends on who you ask. There are men in an older age that do have a loss but there are some that have so much passion for their significant other that the passion stays the same throughout the years. Beau Richards was showing emotions in a different way than Mr. Dayton, and gender has a role to play in this. Being a different gender goes into affect with passion. The mother, Mrs. Drayton showed passion to her husband even if she knew he was wrong the behavior she had was that she would still stand by her husband out of the love she had. Beau makes a point when she says “what happens to man as they age?” even though that is a bit of ageism even though we don’t get a back story on Mr. and Mrs. Prentice, we read between the line imagine our own story maybe for them also the love and passion isn’t the same as it is for John and Joanna. Even though it seems that Mr. Drayton was more concerned about the social problem the couple would have with prejudice and racism, and the discrimination and problems their children would face some day. She also made the point “when sexual things don’t matter anymore they forgot it all, what true passion is,” I believe maybe the father wasn’t showing passion in a sexual way but was showing passion to his daughter in a different way he never not once cared about her happiness. VCT789
I think there is a disconnect with older people because that part of them is fading away and it isnt much reason for them to be very passionate and sex and other intimate things concerning they're wife . He was in a stressful situation and couldnt think clearly sat all and what solely focused on what he was worried about which was his daughters welfare . -collegekid789-
Passion is a strong and barely controllable emotion. We feel passionate about love, about family, and about a many assortment of other things. Is passion, this great emotional state, learned over time or are we born with it? Charles Darwin says that human behavior is was instinctive. Woman are born to be compassionate and men are born to be rational. So, is Darwin right? Are we all born with passion? Or is Darwin’s approach a simple concept. Here in the clip it is stated that men loose passion, women obviously keep it over time while the men as they grow older forget what passion is. Or what passion feels like. Is passion chalked down to a biological study, that this is just nature and that is how it is supposed to be? Or is psychologist John B. Watson’s theory called behaviorism more accurate? Behaviorism states that behavior is not instinctive but learned over time. Passion is learned from what our culture perceives as passion, we learn this and accept passion to be love and great feel towards a cause. Nurture is our nature. Maybe Beau Richards is trying to tell us that Coral Gilligan’s theory of moral development is very important for this certain clip. Gilligan claims boys have justice perspective and girls have a care and responsibility perspective. Boys rely on formal rules to decide right from wrong. Since interracial marriage was a new concept in the 1960’s I can imagine how some might still see it as deviant. Both the fathers in this movie seemed to stick to the rules of the society they grew up in and did not want to budge. The mothers however, seemed to be more understanding and caring of the couple’s feelings of the situation. The fathers try to push this cultural transmission on the boy to explain why they feel the way they feel. They do not however come right out and say it but beat around the bush. Passion is an emotional behavior; however, I feel that having passion is part of our values as a human race.
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SlimJim - Nice work. Yes Interracial relationships were not readily acceptable in the 1960s, yet they did exist on the DL. Culture changes people and people change culture or similtaneously - Just your point of view.....LoveSomeKramer345
DeleteI agree with you, interracial marriages or miscegenation were not acceptable in the 1960s not that no one wanted to but because it was illegal for a black male to marry a white female. African Americans were not as equal as white people, because the white people were superior and had more power than black people. They also held jobs for African Americans, so of a black male were to marry a white female; it would look like he was taking advantage over her, even if they both were deeply in love with each other. Also passion isn’t something we learn or were taught, but it is our nature and value as human beings.
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To begin to look at socialization, we must begin with Charles Darwin. Charles Darwin’s study of evolution asserted that human behavior was our “nature” and human behavior is nothing more than instinctive. This led to ideas that women are emotional by nature, while men are more rational in nature. However, the role of nurture is important in realizing one’s biological potential, as the psychologist John Watson described through behaviorism. The basis of behaviorism states that behavior is learned through “nurture” rather than instinctive, which is what Beau Richards is hinting at. When men are younger, they are taught to be respectful and nice to women—hold their doors open, walk on the outside of the sidewalk, etc. When they start to grow up and become more sexual beings, they try to woo women for sexual or romantic reasons. Today, sex is very normalized, and the time the movie was made was the peak of the sexual revolution, where it started becoming normalized and popularized. This sexual time for men is when passion is at its height. As men develop, they develop a justice perspective, Carol Gilligan explains, while women develop a care-and-responsibility perspective. This means that women reason through their personal relationships while men follow laws and formal rules to define right or wrong, further explaining that men become more reasonable as time passes. While personality might not change over time, behavior does, which Beau Richards is pointing out in the clip. A big part of socialization and how it affects behavior is through the agents of socialization, such as family, the school, peer groups, or the mass media. In the 1960s a big part of the media was instilling the already-there idea that men were the head of the household and the leaders of the family, while ads geared towards women were mostly cleaning or cooking ads. This idea is still present somewhat, but much more then. Family instills this idea in us when we are young through watching our own parents and the others further enforce that idea. This power that men are given can come out too strong sometimes and overshadows their passion. I agree with Richards that as a man develops and is socialized in a very male-dominated culture, passion tends to die out as he grows older. Catzfuhdays789
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ReplyDeleteTo begin to look at socialization, we must begin with Charles Darwin. Charles Darwin’s study of evolution asserted that human behavior was our “nature” and human behavior is nothing more than instinctive. This led to ideas that women are emotional by nature, while men are more rational in nature. However, the role of nurture is important in realizing one’s biological potential, as the psychologist John Watson described through behaviorism. The basis of behaviorism states that behavior is learned through “nurture” rather than instinctive, which is what Beau Richards is hinting at. When men are younger, they are taught to be respectful and nice to women—hold their doors open, walk on the outside of the sidewalk, etc. When they start to grow up and become more sexual beings, they try to woo women for sexual or romantic reasons. Today, sex is very normalized, and the time the movie was made was the peak of the sexual revolution, where it started becoming normalized and popularized. This sexual time for men is when passion is at its height. As men develop, they develop a justice perspective, Carol Gilligan explains, while women develop a care-and-responsibility perspective. This means that women reason through their personal relationships while men follow laws and formal rules to define right or wrong, further explaining that men become more reasonable as time passes. While personality might not change over time, behavior does, which Beau Richards is pointing out in the clip. A big part of socialization and how it affects behavior is through the agents of socialization, such as family, the school, peer groups, or the mass media. In the 1960s a big part of the media was instilling the already-there idea that men were the head of the household and the leaders of the family, while ads geared towards women were mostly cleaning or cooking ads. This idea is still present somewhat, but much more then. Family instills this idea in us when we are young through watching our own parents and the others further enforce that idea. This power that men are given can come out too strong sometimes and overshadows their passion. I agree with Richards that as a man develops and is socialized in a very male-dominated culture, passion tends to die out as he grows older. Catzfuhdays789
Is Beau Richards Correct? As Life Progresses – Is There a Loss of Passion For Men?
ReplyDeleteThe conversation between Mrs. Prentice and Mr. Drayton was very powerful; she proposed that it seems to be when sexual things no longer matter to older men they become blind men who can’t see what is right in front of them. They have forgotten what it was like to experience true passion. We feel passion for our husband/wife, family, friends which is a barely controllable emotion. Mr. and Mrs. Drayton did a great job in socialization of Joanna; the lifelong social experience people develop their human potential and learn culture. After the initial shock of the relationship the more Mr. and Mrs. Drayton thought about it, it wasn’t all that shocking based on the way they had raised Joanna. Charles Darwin let people to think that human behavior was rather instinctive, simply our “nature”; women are naturally “emotional” while men are naturally “rational”. Then you have psychologist John B. Watson who developed a theory called behaviorism which states that behavior is not instinctive but learned. This is simply explaining that people everywhere are equally human only differing by their cultural patterns. Watson argued that human behavior is nurture. I think that social experience is also important because it’s the foundation of personality, a person’s patterns of acting, thinking, and feeling. John and Joanna are very happy and in love with one another despite the social biases their marriage will face. Their mothers were able to relate to their feelings, being in love and the passion they must feel for one another. Their fathers are not taking that into consideration instead they are only looking at the fact that they have a problem. That problem is that fact that they are not the same race. The fathers do not want to see either of their children get hurt, and want them to understand the social-conflict this marriage will cause for them and their extended family. I also think it’s important to mention that both families in this family are of high social standing. I think that also helped that they were otherwise equal; it was just that their culture/race was different.
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Socialization is part of the human nature and it a normal behavior for all existing living organisms, this is when Charles Darwin’s study comes in place. Charles Darwin’ study of evolution stated that human behavior was our own nature meaning we were born with it. As most of us would say the women and men differ when it comes to being emotional and passionate because this is a conclusion that came from Darwin’s study that women are naturally emotional by nature while men are rational in nature. This also brings up what each gender is supposed to be like or how they are expected to act like, women are expected to be gentle, sympathetic, compassionate, and tenderhearted and while men are expected to be rough, athletic, strong, non-sympathetic etc. In this short clip, Beau Richard brings up the topic that when men grow older they forget everything and lose passion. Men are known being direct and women commonly known for being indirect. Passion may slow down as men reach puberty because they are transitioning from being teenagers to adults they want to be manly as the world expects them to be. Now is passion “nature or nurture”? Passion is nature because we were born with it and it is something we need to get through each day. The question “Is there a loss of passion for me”, Beau Richard is not correct about men losing passion as they grow because it is not something we learned it is something we were born with, so no there is no loss of passion for men because they do have a belief of a cause in something they like and believe in. Passion may not be shown directly but it doesn’t mean they have lost it. Also the whole interracial dating and marriage was not popular back then that is why the dad was not so passionate about their kid’s relationship and choices. It brought a cultural shock to them because they were two different races and probably had different ethnicities as well.
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Around the time this movie was made, the idea of miscegenation or even marriage was still too modern for their day and age, in turn came as a shock to most. Despite all of the odds and negativity that the young couple knew would surround their interracial marriage, they continued with what makes them truly happy. The movie “Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner,” is a prime example of two families of the late 1900’s with different amounts of income and wealth experiencing modernization. Back in the day, and even seen today, the idea of global stratification plays immense role in everyday life and even then, people also lived in such a patriarchal world where the role a child would play in life was based solely on their gender. Typically, a young boy was taught to be the decision maker and to be the dominant role, while the young girl was supposed to learn how to be submissive and how to become a caregiver. John’s mother, Mrs. Prentice, grew up learning how to be that nurturer for her family along with other gender roles she would have to preform, which included understanding how each gender tends to act when it came to emotions. Knowing what she’s been taught growing up and knowing very well of their age, Mrs. Prentice believed Joanna’s father Matt Drayton had just simply forgotten what it was like to be head over heels in love. For Mrs. Prentice, these teachings and experiences as a young child has then created this prejudicial proposition that all men as they get older tend to overlook what love actually means and how it feels. Ageism is not exclusively for the younger generation to experience, Mrs. Prentice made it very clear that she believes that old men, particularly her husband and Matt, just “forget” what it is like to be young and to be in love, they just “forget it all.” Despite their difference in race, their similarities of ethnicities and the mutual importance of their children’s happiness was just enough to help Matt open his heart. It helped remind Matt of the love he had experienced with Joanna’s mother, Christina, when they were their age. This act of love is undeniably deviant just based on societies grasp on the social control of that time period. Although interracial marriage may not have been illegal in some states, it was still going against societies norms that had been in place for many years. Love really is a beautiful act. It does not see the differences of color or fortune, it is just the way of the heart that no one can truly explain.
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This clip is a clear example of a huge sociological problem. The lust that males feel as young men slowly fades into nothing over time. Especially when they have been with the same woman for that time. Unfortunately, this seems to be in our nature. I wouldn't necessarily say that men lose passion, but their sexual drive definitely dwindles. In this movie in specific, it is clear that the older men are only thinking about the long term effects of the young couples relationship, and not the present moment. I think that both the women and men's way of thinking combined resulted in a perfect symbiotic idea of love. Tough love, that would not be easy at times. I believe that this is the way life typically pans out, in that opposite ideas concoct a greater purpose. An obvious pattern amongst women would show that they have great empathy for young love, while men stand-off against it. This social stratification between men and women is what makes human relationships work. I would have to side with the Darwinian concept that this is just simply human nature of woman being based in emotion while men base their feelings in ration. This scene is interesting because a black woman is telling a white man how it truly is. During this time white men were seen as the end all be all of the human hierarchy. While the minority women were looked at to be on the opposite end of the spectrum. This scene was definitely a turning point in the movie, which ultimately led Joeys father to make his final decision. As life progresses men lose their drive for sexual activity, which in turn makes them forget about young love. I’m uncertain if this will ever change, as this way has been engrained in humans for a long time.QuinkThick789
ReplyDeleteI agree with you that men do not lose their passion, but after living for a certain amount of time with a woman they love, not all men’s lust doesn’t fade away, because they chose to love that one person only. Unless you are that guy whose feeling changes every single time, then you should not be married. But I see where you are coming from; the two males of the family were really worried about the long term effects of their kids who were going to be in a miscegenation marriage. All the racism would come down towards them and their surrounding would be always be judged just for the choices they made.
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In this scene Mrs. Prentice is discussing with Mr. Dayton how when sexual things no longer matter older men seem to show less passion and forget what they have in front on them. Charles Darwin study says that human behavior was instinctive and our nature, women are naturally more emotional, and men are more rational. When society thinks of women they automatically assume that all women are emotional and more compassionate then men are they look at men as if any of them don’t care about a lot of things and kind of have a nonchalant personality. The psychologist John B. Watson states that behavior isn’t instinctive, but it is learned over time. So, if someone grew up with people who shows passion/emotions then they are most likely to do the same. Most men tend to forget what they are taught once they get older because they are exposed to more things, once they get what they want they seem to show less passion to their significant other. I feel that Coral Gilligan theory of moral development relates to this clip. Coral Gilligan states that women have a more care and responsibility perspective while men have a justice perspective. What he means by that is women are more understanding and try to find solutions to the problems that they are having while men are more serious and stick to the rules. In this movie both mothers are understanding about their children situation because they remember that they were once like them and they can tell that they both really love each other. On the other hand, their fathers are against them getting married because at that time period a white woman marrying an African American man wasn’t allowed and both of their fathers aren’t letting them forget that, that’s why Mr. Dayton was so against the two getting married most of the movie because he doesn’t want his daughter to be hurt in the future because people are so against what she is doing.
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This video started out with the question on what happens to men when they grow old? Or why do they tend to forget everything? Behaviorism plays a role in men and women lives. Behaviorism is not instinctive but it is learned over time. While she is speaking she asks the question on do you see what’s happened to them? How they feel about each other? The problem is both men from both sides of the family are really concerned about the Race-Conflict Theory that is happening between the two families. As Racial Inequality is in this entire movie, Edward Burghardt saw sociology as the key to solving society’s problems, especially racial inequality problems. The women in this video valued her Values and Beliefs but knew that her Cultural transmissions were not going to pass to the next generation as things were already changing so fast in the backyard meet and greet. The lady speaks on the behalf of herself and his wife and that showed Presentation of self, because she wanted to make sure he didn’t forget the impression of himself in the minds of others like his wife's. As he stood there and listened to what she had to say about her emotions and how she felt as men grow older they tend to forget what it was like for them when they were younger and everything was happening to them, he stood there with Nonverbal Communication showing Body language as he simply had a concerned face, looking outward listening and taking in what she had to say. I can say that even though she wanted him to understand that at this current time of change in his backyard, that is was no different back when he first had those feelings for his own wife. This lady had a lot of Emotions like the ones Paul Ekman explained the six basic emotions we all go through all while she tried to make it clear the reality of their Social Interaction. But in the end that was okay because Charles Darwin went over Socialization and how human behavior especially women are emotional by nature while men were complete opposite. The Perspective of men and women were totally different than what the gender roles are today.
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Love, and sexual passion, are what Mrs. Prentice finds lacking in not only her own husband, but all men of his ilk and age. Is she right? Is there something in the water causing our husbands or lovers to fall slowly out of love, out of desire for us? Is there a clock running out on every relationship? I think that Mrs. Prentice was very much a woman of her time, trying to put into words the frustration of her gender, shaking a fist at uncaring spouses everywhere. In the 60's, nearing the 70's, the sexual revolution was just on the verge of taking place, and women were just beginning to take their sexuality into their own hands. It was still a new concept, and both Mrs. Prentice and her husband were from an older generation, before sex and the liberation of such topics were commonplace. Enter- ageism. Older men, she repeats. Men grow older and forget. As though younger men don't often lose passion for their significant others. I personally support her theory, though not because of gender. Moreso because of the social isolation often experienced by the elderly. In our book, it is even clearly stated that half the elderly that say they experience loneliness are married. These people are not physically alone, but they construct their own mental walls that prevent the rest of the world from getting to them. I think that Mrs. Prentice is just dead tired of pounding at her husband's walls. Social stratification would also shift Mrs. Prentice's worldview to a completely different hemisphere than Matt's. Mrs. Prentice is married to a retired mailman, a working class career that required she go without much of her life. Matt on the other hand comes from a very privileged position. White, wealthy, male. His social mobility is at the very precipitous top. This class difference is important because high-income couples tend to have a more egalitarian approach to their relationships. They divide up their resources equally, do more things together, such as that ice cream date we saw Matt and Christina go on, and generally share a more equal lifestyle. Poorer people on the other hand will adhere much more strictly to gender roles, and for much of her life, Mrs. Prentice may have been pigeonholed into the ideal of what womanhood was supposed to be in her generation, taking care of her home and child while her husband played breadwinner and patriarch. This leaves little room for her to voice her opinions in day to day life, let alone in the bedroom. You see, a woman demanding satisfaction from her husband would be breaking a norm whereas a husband demanding satisfaction from his wife would be the norm. It was a little bit of a cultural lag, men being slow to realize that women, even women of a 'certain age' were sexual, passionate creatures that still needed touch and romance, and when they were not provided it, they would be a bit frustrated, to say the least. It reminds me of the Victorian ages when a woman's sex drive was called hysteria, or when it was ignored entirely and called myth. Freud's elements of personality list the very first as a need for sexual and emotional bonding, or a "life instinct". life instinct. We need it to live. He called it eros, I call it basic survival. Finally, the big question. Do I believe that Mrs. Prentice is right? I believe that Mrs. Prentice believes that she is right. I believe that she is honest and true in every word, in every syllable. That as we all construct our own reality, her perception of reality is coming through loud and clear as a bell, and that she is an eloquent and well spoken woman. That's all we can ever ask of anyone.
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Beau Richards states men loose passion the older they grow. I believe this to be a biological trait associated with men. Mainly erectile disfunction. As funny as it may be it is true and also tends to take away a male's sex drive along with all the passion that comes with it. Also without the modern medicine we have today there is no such thing, or very few pills or other medicines to help counteract this. Also a quote from Psychology Today states that “...women’s idea of passionate sex depends far more centrally on novelty than does men’s”(PT). This shows that a women may feel that because a man does not have the desire to have sex anymore, all the real passion or novelty, as stated in the quote, is gone from the relationship. However, another reason I believe this is brought up in the movie is because of the marriage dilemma unfolding. Men tend to be more rational as they enter their later years in life, and it is very possible that the father in the movie is more focused on other thing in his life besides passion in his marriage. And on top of that he is now in a high stress situation because he has a very important decision to make about his daughter's future. Im sure that many things are going through his mind, even though he is not racist, because of the time period in the movie he is worried that his daughter will have a rough and hard life being married to a black man. All of this stress placed on the father might also have a reflection on his passion towards the relationship.
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The conversation they both had in this scene of the movie really get you thinking. The movie does a great job are representing the behavioral patterns of people at different stages of their life. Even though the movie shows Joanna’ father losing passion it may not be him losing the love for this daughter because in his mind he was doing what he thought was best for her and that is just human nature and instinct. Regarding the loss of sexual passions, I think it just depends on who you ask. There are men in an older age that do have a loss but there are some that have so much passion for their significant other that the passion stays the same throughout the years. Beau Richards was showing emotions in a different way than Mr. Dayton, and gender has a role to play in this. Being a different gender goes into affect with passion. The mother, Mrs. Drayton showed passion to her husband even if she knew he was wrong the behavior she had was that she would still stand by her husband out of the love she had. Beau makes a point when she says “what happens to man as they age?” even though that is a bit of ageism even though we don’t get a back story on Mr. and Mrs. Prentice, we read between the line imagine our own story maybe for them also the love and passion isn’t the same as it is for John and Joanna. Even though it seems that Mr. Drayton was more concerned about the social problem the couple would have with prejudice and racism, and the discrimination and problems their children would face some day. She also made the point “when sexual things don’t matter anymore they forgot it all, what true passion is,” I believe maybe the father wasn’t showing passion in a sexual way but was showing passion to his daughter in a different way he never not once cared about her happiness. VCT789
ReplyDeleteI think there is a disconnect with older people because that part of them is fading away and it isnt much reason for them to be very passionate and sex and other intimate things concerning they're wife . He was in a stressful situation and couldnt think clearly sat all and what solely focused on what he was worried about which was his daughters welfare . -collegekid789-
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