With probations lasting the period of ten years with such violations as travel, drinking or certain times in which the person has to be at a certain location this will equal up a handful of violations after a certain period of time as this individuals will most likely want to go out one night or different situations may happen such as falling asleep at one location than an individual may be in violation of meeting the time requirement for their probation also just because an individual violated one of these orders as long as their not committing serious crimes that cause problems for others and the communities around them then really why does it matter. This article also stated that 1/3 of all people who are in jail or prison are incarcerated based on the fact of these rule violations. This article also pointed out that based on your pervious education level pervious to being charged with a crime showed that higher the education a person has the less rules of probation that individual will have while the individua’s who did not have high school diploma where the ones with the most serve rules when serving out the terms for the probation. Which also stated in this article is data collection from the year 2012 and onward shows that African Americans were more likely to have higher rules and regulation’s regarding their probation terms. They also imposed solutions for limiting the number of people who are in probation, which can be reducing the length of time for the probation term. Having more flexibility with how the rules of the term are structured. Have programs in place that probationers can take in order to reduce the length of what the term will be also having them better their life’s to become better individuals which is more beneficial for society as they are better members of effecting the community in a positive way overall. eagle789
I do agree from the article that if people are detained for pre-trial their chances of going to prison are less. Also from the article it is more important that the ability of people remaining out of jail or prison while the case is pending allows them there’s jobs and take care of their families in other hand this process decreases overpopulation of jail and prisons. I do agree that coming up with state programs it has helped the state of Illinois decreasing the number of jail and prison population. If the state keep up with this at least the number of imitate will go down every year. It is a good idea that McLean county comprising elected and appointed policy makers like community members , attorney and law enforcement officials that come around together and examine the problems and strength also shortcoming of the local system. Crating new policies helps the community to lower the numbers of prison and jail population compared from decades. As indicated on the article criminal justice system results from complex set of policies and practices that may vary among jurisdiction. Illinois and the county of McLean are committed to reducing in warranted disparities in the system. Another thing that helps the state is that emery started the practice of letting judges and other decision makers know when his or her jail is nearing capacity. For this way judges put more emphasis on possible release of low level offenders and non violent offenders out of jail. Pre-trial programs also contributes something on letting people out of jail while waiting on their pending cases. According to the member of council, the creation of data drive decisions and changes of preliminary resulted a promising decrease in the percentage of convicted defendants from McLean county sentenced to state prison. Another big point or idea helped this state is the officials supplemented sentencing credits that offer some inmates a reduced prison stay.GUSII 789
This article shed some light on how probation is affecting people in the country today. For example, many people are being incarcerated partly due to the probation itself. By violating their supervision, people are being incarcerated and their probation is thrown out the window. This is yet another item that is factoring into the problem of overcrowding within our country's prisons/ jails today. I am not saying that if people violate their probation they should not be punished. I am saying that if someone violates their probation, they need to face an alternate form of punishment, rather than incarceration. Prisons across the country are beginning to fill up more and more with people who keep violating their probations. Also, people who violate their probation by testing positive for a certain drug or something like that should not be put back into prison. Instead, these people need to receive help for their problem and sent to a rehab center to get them better and ensure that they will not violate their probation again and just keep repeating the process of going to jail, being given probation, violating probation, and then returning back to jail. The article discussed how a large number of young men of color are given probation and set up to fail, too. They are set up to fail because it is expected of these young men to show a nearly flawless performance during probation while living in high-crime and heavily-policed neighborhoods with little to no supportive resources to help them successfully exit their probation. In order for probation to work, something needs to be done so situations like these do not occur. By setting these people up for failure, the main point of probation is being avoided. Something needs to be done about this so people like the ones I just discussed get actual chances to get out of probation and fix their lives. -Fozz789
This does overcrowd prison as these individuals are not having any hope for making these terms in conditions for not violating parole such as lets say a person has a strict curfew time with ankle bracelet mentoring where they have to be home at a certain time every day of the week that person falls asleep in the place they had been out for hours that couldn't predict or help but this violets their terms and conditions of release should this person be sent back to jail or prison. I mean an effective measure for individuals to do when violating their terms of probation or parole as long as this is a non victim less crime or violation is to have the person pay a fine for breaking the condition make it a personal consequences if the person violets the crime but don't lock them up if its only of a small infraction. eagle789
I agree with your statement of an alternative to incarceration for simple violations of parole or probation. I believe that some terms of probation and parole are very strict and people may find it hard to adhere to all of the rules for a long period of time. I also do not believe that a jail or prison sentence for these simple violations is right. I also believe that a look into situation and plausibility of the terms of probation based on his situation should be applied as well instead of instant jailing for a screw up, especially if it is exactly that, a screw up. –TheMarshall789
We need to do something like this. We cant keep putting individual that didn't do anything serious in prison. Like this articles says that they mess up once and we hae to put them back in just because they want to. We need to figure out what would be best for them and that would be by sending them to get help or letting them stay in society just so they can succed in life. Gator789
This article has some good information for how short it was. I know that prisons and jails are overcrowded but you only can do so much for someone until they just become overly dependent on you. That will bring problems to the overall Correctional system. I doubt they only violated their probation or parole once to be violated, I bet they did several things to cause it to happen I do not think that the only problem is the system but I also believe it is the people that think they can get away with petite thinks like not being home at night or not checking in on time it adds up. With that you auto send in because the probation or parole officer is just tired of dealing with them. If the information is right in this article i do think their is a problem with disparity but then you have to look at the area, income, and how often the police are patrolling that area. It makes a difference on the person and why they were picked up. JeepGuy789
I agree with you on the fact that it seems like most people who are in violation, it is not the first time that they have violated their parole. However it also seems like many people are being singled out by parole officers because as we know many people who have drug addictions that are on parole, are often times in violation because they fail one drug test. It is not necessarily the system's fault however there are some things that they can improve on. Pack789
In the society nowadays people under probation especially long term are likely to violate their terms. As the article says a lot of young generation with no education all what is left to do is involving into drugs dealing and the result out of this is lock and key. Probation has been proven an effective punishment alternative to incarceration over the years. One justification for probation is saving to taxpayer as compared locking the people in prison. It sounds a deal but on other had violate comes in and end up going back for more days. There are high chances for such people that are in probation for a long time to violate and go back to lock up. Common probation violation includes dirty urine test, drug and alcohol use. To fix this I do think that it is good idea while this individual are on probation to do treatment and put them I rehabilitation instead. Drug addiction is considered mental disorder, releasing people from jail or prison and put them in probation with no treatment chances of violating the term is real easy. Multiple offender are released from jail and prison and ether given parole or probation it well known that this guy have multiple crimes only parole or probation won’t change this guy otherwise they going back to same crime. In this sense it’s even more convenient to leave such people in prison to finish their term, it sounds more helpful than letting them out and violate their term and end up going back to serve even more. The offenders charged with misdemeanor offenses they Better spend time in local lock up rather than endure months on probation. They don’t want to deal with hassle of probation conditions and they can’t afford the thousands of dollars in fee that probation requires. People’s on both sides of criminal justice system agree the trend is troubling it means more people with criminal record are overcrowding local jails and worse. It means more people are charged with crime like dui, domestic violence and possession of small amount of drugs are not getting the treatment they would receive on probation period. Treatment while in probation helps a lot to teach the individual not to go back on same crime.GUSII 789
There are many people within our corrections system that are out of jail or prison on probation/parole within our communities. Most people who receive parole are often given it because their crimes were petty crimes such as possessing a dime bag of weed, etc. There are some problems with parole and probation as we can see 2/3 of people who renter the prison system are people who have been in prison already and are being sent back for small violations of their parole. Part of this is because parole officers are overworked and do not want to spend time babying one person on parole when they have 50-60 other people to worry about so they just send people back to prison for minor violations of their parole agreement simply because they do not have the time to deal with them. Another reason that so many people are being sent back to prison is because often times they are people who are addicted to drugs and need to be sent to rehabilitation and not just be sent out into their community to deal with it themselves. As we learned in class, people will “fall” 8-10 times during their road to recovery from addiction. If we are able to offer these people some type of help while they are on parole, or maybe even make going to rehab part of their parole, we can lower the number of people that are being sent back to prison. One more thing that can affect this, is those who are given elongated parole terms, such as Meek Mill who had a parole sentence of 7years, while this may be an extreme outlier for parole, many times people are on parole for years, and they are bound to make one mistake during those years that they are on parole. Pack789
With this article is really shows how messed up our world really is with the prison system and probation. With what is going on if you even violate your probation even a little you will go to prison. This is not how it should be. Some people that are on probation don’t need to be and then they slip once and they will end up in prison because of our harsh punishments that we have to have on people. It mentioned in the article that 1/3 people are in the jail or prison, are incarcerated based on the rule violations. Now, the big part of this is on the level of education that you have and that plays apart of why you are in the system. It says that if you have a high school diploma you are more likely to have less things while you are on probation because you have a better head of your shoulder than people that are on it. Now with the people that don’t have a diploma they are most likely to had harsh punishment if they violate probation like go to prison or to go to jail but they do not get off that easy as people that have a high school diploma because they took the time and they had one mistake and they don’t want that to cost them in the long run. Now, they are trying to come up with things that will keep them out of the probation system because half the people that are on it don’t need to be there. If they would put programs out there that will help individuals they will have a better chance to make it in life than rather be on probation for the next 4-5 years and no ones wants to b on that long. We need to make facilities that will help them so they don’t end back up on probation of go to prison for violating probation. Gator789
I agree with you, probation seems far to strict. It was a good to see you pointed out education on this. Its no wonder some people who are set up to fail do especially when there level of education is not even up to par. I agree also that eliminating and adding a better way for people to succeed is the way to go from here. It would be nice if we spent the money on places for correctional clients to go after prison rather then just probation and a pat on the back with someone saying good luck. pj789
The punishment of probation is a good punishment and alternative to prison time. However, it is just like communism in that it is only good on paper and often fails everywhere else. In the United States, probation is often something that prisoners strive to get. Unfortunately, due to the sheer strictness of the probation and the longevity of it, many parolees and probationer find themselves unable to do the time. This is because the entire system of probation in the United States’ correctional system is set up against the correctional clients, probationers, and parolees itself. The term can become very constricting and over a long period of time, it will have a negative effect on the subject. Also, probation officers may violate a probationer or parolee for trivial things like drug use. It takes anywhere from eight to eleven times for a person to successfully wain themselves off of a drug and even then, that person may get the craving for that particular substance from time to time. Often, after a failed drug test, the probationer or parolee may be sent back to a jail and/or prison to serve the rest of their sentence there. This is one of the things that describe how the probation and parole system is at fault. The system must be fixed in order to become a successful part of the Unites States’ correctional system and if it does not get fixed, problems with overcrowding and statistics for violators returning to a correctional facility will stay at ever increasingly high numbers. This is something that should be addressed as soon as possible for the continued and effective use of the correctional system in the United States. Should this problem not be fixed, taxpayer money and overcrowding will continue to be a major problem for the immediate future. –TheMarshall789
This article shows how probation is a on going problem for people in this country. Especially for the ones of color. Overcrowding is becoming a big problem in todays country and probation is a big part of it. Most people are violating their supervision which in turn incarcerates them and eliminates all probation they could have had. People do need to be punished for what they do but not the ways they have been doing it because the only making problems worse. We as americans need to start figuring out ways to find in alternative way for people who violate parole besides incarceration, because this is what is causing a lot of overcrowding problems in prisons today. One of the biggest problems when people violate their probation is that they test positive for drug use. People that are addicted to drugs especially should not be put into jail but instead should be rehabilitated so they don't keep reoffending, but since there is not rehabilitation they are being put somewhere they should not be.This article also discussed about the large number of young men of color that are in the criminal justice system. It says these young men are continually being set up to fail. These men of color are expected to behave absolutely while leaving in high crime areas and possibly being also addicted to drugs with no programs to help. They have very little to no support while they are supervision and that is why most do not make it all the way through without being incarcerated. If people are want probation to work they need to change something, because nothing is going to change without fixing these problems. By setting up these young men they are only making the overcrowding worse, and the also showing probation is being used very wrongly. Hollywood789
I think that the probation and parole system could be better, but I think it is not too bad right now. I think that the probation officers should be more understanding and that the judges could also be more understanding. I think that the people should be lenient to some of the people on parole or probation. It is most likely difficult to come straight out of prison on parole, and then immediately must change your lifestyle to conform to the parole standards. In the case of Meek Mill, I think that the charges he got put back in prison for not enough reason to put him back in prison. I think that the things that he did were stupid, and he should be responsible for them in some way, but not back to prison for 7 more years. Meek Mill did stupid things like popping a wheelie as the article said. That is something that he could have easily avoided, but he made the wrong decision. He also got caught testing positive for drug use. He should not be using drugs while on parole, but it can be hard to quit drugs, and they should help him fix the problem. I think he should pay for all these little crimes, but I do not think it is enough to justify 7 years. Meek Mill just made the world look deeper into the system. The statistics are bad, that there is such a difference in the rates of probation and parole just depending on your education, and your ethnicity. The problem should be fixed, whether the problem people is being less strict on white people, or people being stricter on black people, the problem needs to be fixed. I think that the probation and parole rules should be changed, so that people still need to be responsible for their actions, but not be thrown in jail again. dp789
Interesting article because Meek Mill is a hustler at his best when it comes to making some good music. This just shows how our criminal justice system is a sign of weakness because not even probation is helping individuals to follow their requirements such as Meek Mills. I think the craziest part is the sentence that Meek Mill got on probation for almost 7 years. Looks like most crimes he committed, were low crimes ‘misdemeanors’ that got him trouble. Now, he is on probation for violation of fighting, dirk bike accident, and of course travelling because its part of his job to go preform and do what he does best right? Now, if you violate your probation requirements, it can lead to incarceration because of violations. The article is right that many incarcerations are because of people who violate their requirements. Just for simply doing one wrong thing, can get you in trouble. I feel like the criminal justice is pushing it to hard or being way to strict, and now there are no limits of what can offenders to in violation. Probation Officers should have some sympathy for those who are being offended for dumb things of course, but in all terms I don’t think its fair because some don’t need to have that extensive years of probation. This why Meek Mills was sentences because he violated his requirements. There should be a better way to handle things in the probation unit to help those not get violated by seeing their kind of background, and may this is were judges have to come in and make a better discretion and set rules were they can follow to make it fair for both sides of the individual and criminal justice system. But, this is obviously not going to happen any time soon because it’s a complete mess in our system. - LILPUMP789
I agree it does show a weakness we have within our system when it comes to probation. It really doesn't make sense that such strict requirements are put on people, It really sets people up for failure. And what meek mill did here was be a human, nothing else. It would be nice if judges would use there discretion a little so that the playing field could be fair on both sides. i hope it dose improve in the near future but your probably right in that its not going to happen for awhile. Mentalities have to change from our past into where America would like to be in the future which is hopefully not a mass incarceration nation.pj789
I think that in order to justify very long term probations, a good case needs to be made for a correlation between behaviours that violate probation and an increase in crime. Some things I can understand like drinking heavily or being in certain locations. However, I think that banning people from going to certain locations, travelling, and enforced curfews restrict quality of life and doom people for failure more than they effect any positive change. Probation does not make that much sense to me as these things they are not allowed to do definitely do not harm others. It would make sense for these people to receive harsher penalties if they reoffend within a certain time frame from a punitive viewpoint, but from a rehabilitory viewpoint, this would mean that the system failed the person not the other way around. People who have no extenuating circumstances should be surveilled like those on probation, but they should not be subject to the losing of any freedoms. People who commit crime soberly and for selfish reasons not based on extenuating circumstances should be made to serve the full extent of their punishment when in prison, it should not carry on to after their sentence. It is a bit less clear cut on the topic of those who receive probation instead of any detainment. It seems to me that these people usually have circumstances that explain their crimes. When this is the case, it does not make sense to take rights away from these people. These people should be given the help they need not punished for something they cannot control. People who commit crimes in a free state of mind may be the only people deserving of a strict probation. If it determined that prison would do more harm than help, but some punishment is definitely called for, I suppose some loss of privileges would make sense. It is hard to say what should be done when violate the probation rules. I do not think prison time is necessarily appropriate but monetary fees would also be disproportionately unfair for the poor. Overall, I would have to think more about the topic as a whole before making any complete conclusions, but it is definitely something that needs to be addressed. Rudedogg789
Our society has huge problem when it comes to breaking probation and than having to make up jail time. One of the biggest problems in America, is our criminal justice systems being to strict when it comes to probations, especially when criminals or people on probation breaks small rules of their probation. By violating their probation, many people are sent back to prison , which causes an overcrowding in our prison systems. People who violate their probation by small things like testing positive on a drug test should not be thrown back to prison, but be given help like rehab facilities. This article also talks about how African Americans ,who break their probation, have a higher percentage of being taken back to prison. Higher rates of probation supervision comes from younger black men ,who don’t have a highschool diploma. Many people on probations find it hard to maintain their probation and not break it. Many of them do break it and are sent back to prison. Meek Mill is an example of many who have broken their probation for low- level administration infractions. Even though he should be punished for his violations, it should also be shortened when it comes to small crimes. In order to have less people in the jail systems, we should have supervisors for more serious crimes. We should also reduce the length of supervisors and eliminating probation supervision fees. Many people who are on probation need better supports and service to help them get back on track and stay away from violating their probation. People who are on long term probations are more likely to break them, because it’s harder to maintain the higher expectations. One third of people incarceration are in jail/prison, because of violating their probation. It has also a higher sentencing for those without high school diplomas making it even difficult to succeed. -justice789
What amazes me about this article is that it points out the fallacy of strict supervision for humans. Given a strict set of guide lines I don’t think I know of anyone who wouldn’t want some form of release form those constraints, like in Meek Mills case. He was being human, not a criminal. Everyone messes up and to put people who just got out of an intensely supervised place and expect them to act like angels when they weren’t in the first place only sets them up for failure. Then add where they live and the fact that America has a history of incarcerating Black men and Hispanics it’s really just a no win situation. I had a friend who was on probation; in no way was he a saint. He just got out of jail and we set up a party for him. Well bad idea on our part and his but the guy was trying to have a little fun after what he just experienced. Sure enough he got caught and went back to jail. Today he is no better for it and has a history to prove it. In his case there was no caring for whether he was rehabilitated or not it was just to see if he messed up again so they could throw him back into the belly of the beast. Its nice to see things like the Columbia Justice lab report that shows a number of reforms we could implement. My favorite of which is limiting the number of restrictions on probationers. What these men and women do are human things in some cases involving non violent crimes. To sit there and want to have a drink and go somewhere far away is not a strange and unethical thing that shows that they need to get back to prison. It rather shows that person feeling free once again and trying to live like the rest of society.pj789
With probations lasting the period of ten years with such violations as travel, drinking or certain times in which the person has to be at a certain location this will equal up a handful of violations after a certain period of time as this individuals will most likely want to go out one night or different situations may happen such as falling asleep at one location than an individual may be in violation of meeting the time requirement for their probation also just because an individual violated one of these orders as long as their not committing serious crimes that cause problems for others and the communities around them then really why does it matter. This article also stated that 1/3 of all people who are in jail or prison are incarcerated based on the fact of these rule violations. This article also pointed out that based on your pervious education level pervious to being charged with a crime showed that higher the education a person has the less rules of probation that individual will have while the individua’s who did not have high school diploma where the ones with the most serve rules when serving out the terms for the probation. Which also stated in this article is data collection from the year 2012 and onward shows that African Americans were more likely to have higher rules and regulation’s regarding their probation terms. They also imposed solutions for limiting the number of people who are in probation, which can be reducing the length of time for the probation term. Having more flexibility with how the rules of the term are structured. Have programs in place that probationers can take in order to reduce the length of what the term will be also having them better their life’s to become better individuals which is more beneficial for society as they are better members of effecting the community in a positive way overall. eagle789
ReplyDeleteI do agree from the article that if people are detained for pre-trial their chances of going to prison are less. Also from the article it is more important that the ability of people remaining out of jail or prison while the case is pending allows them there’s jobs and take care of their families in other hand this process decreases overpopulation of jail and prisons. I do agree that coming up with state programs it has helped the state of Illinois decreasing the number of jail and prison population. If the state keep up with this at least the number of imitate will go down every year. It is a good idea that McLean county comprising elected and appointed policy makers like community members , attorney and law enforcement officials that come around together and examine the problems and strength also shortcoming of the local system. Crating new policies helps the community to lower the numbers of prison and jail population compared from decades. As indicated on the article criminal justice system results from complex set of policies and practices that may vary among jurisdiction. Illinois and the county of McLean are committed to reducing in warranted disparities in the system. Another thing that helps the state is that emery started the practice of letting judges and other decision makers know when his or her jail is nearing capacity. For this way judges put more emphasis on possible release of low level offenders and non violent offenders out of jail. Pre-trial programs also contributes something on letting people out of jail while waiting on their pending cases. According to the member of council, the creation of data drive decisions and changes of preliminary resulted a promising decrease in the percentage of convicted defendants from McLean county sentenced to state prison. Another big point or idea helped this state is the officials supplemented sentencing credits that offer some inmates a reduced prison stay.GUSII 789
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ReplyDeleteThis article shed some light on how probation is affecting people in the country today. For example, many people are being incarcerated partly due to the probation itself. By violating their supervision, people are being incarcerated and their probation is thrown out the window. This is yet another item that is factoring into the problem of overcrowding within our country's prisons/ jails today. I am not saying that if people violate their probation they should not be punished. I am saying that if someone violates their probation, they need to face an alternate form of punishment, rather than incarceration. Prisons across the country are beginning to fill up more and more with people who keep violating their probations. Also, people who violate their probation by testing positive for a certain drug or something like that should not be put back into prison. Instead, these people need to receive help for their problem and sent to a rehab center to get them better and ensure that they will not violate their probation again and just keep repeating the process of going to jail, being given probation, violating probation, and then returning back to jail. The article discussed how a large number of young men of color are given probation and set up to fail, too. They are set up to fail because it is expected of these young men to show a nearly flawless performance during probation while living in high-crime and heavily-policed neighborhoods with little to no supportive resources to help them successfully exit their probation. In order for probation to work, something needs to be done so situations like these do not occur. By setting these people up for failure, the main point of probation is being avoided. Something needs to be done about this so people like the ones I just discussed get actual chances to get out of probation and fix their lives.
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This does overcrowd prison as these individuals are not having any hope for making these terms in conditions for not violating parole such as lets say a person has a strict curfew time with ankle bracelet mentoring where they have to be home at a certain time every day of the week that person falls asleep in the place they had been out for hours that couldn't predict or help but this violets their terms and conditions of release should this person be sent back to jail or prison. I mean an effective measure for individuals to do when violating their terms of probation or parole as long as this is a non victim less crime or violation is to have the person pay a fine for breaking the condition make it a personal consequences if the person violets the crime but don't lock them up if its only of a small infraction. eagle789
DeleteI agree with your statement of an alternative to incarceration for simple violations of parole or probation. I believe that some terms of probation and parole are very strict and people may find it hard to adhere to all of the rules for a long period of time. I also do not believe that a jail or prison sentence for these simple violations is right. I also believe that a look into situation and plausibility of the terms of probation based on his situation should be applied as well instead of instant jailing for a screw up, especially if it is exactly that, a screw up. –TheMarshall789
DeleteWe need to do something like this. We cant keep putting individual that didn't do anything serious in prison. Like this articles says that they mess up once and we hae to put them back in just because they want to. We need to figure out what would be best for them and that would be by sending them to get help or letting them stay in society just so they can succed in life. Gator789
DeleteThis article has some good information for how short it was. I know that prisons and jails are overcrowded but you only can do so much for someone until they just become overly dependent on you. That will bring problems to the overall Correctional system. I doubt they only violated their probation or parole once to be violated, I bet they did several things to cause it to happen I do not think that the only problem is the system but I also believe it is the people that think they can get away with petite thinks like not being home at night or not checking in on time it adds up. With that you auto send in because the probation or parole officer is just tired of dealing with them. If the information is right in this article i do think their is a problem with disparity but then you have to look at the area, income, and how often the police are patrolling that area. It makes a difference on the person and why they were picked up. JeepGuy789
ReplyDeleteI agree with you on the fact that it seems like most people who are in violation, it is not the first time that they have violated their parole. However it also seems like many people are being singled out by parole officers because as we know many people who have drug addictions that are on parole, are often times in violation because they fail one drug test. It is not necessarily the system's fault however there are some things that they can improve on. Pack789
DeleteIn the society nowadays people under probation especially long term are likely to violate their terms. As the article says a lot of young generation with no education all what is left to do is involving into drugs dealing and the result out of this is lock and key. Probation has been proven an effective punishment alternative to incarceration over the years. One justification for probation is saving to taxpayer as compared locking the people in prison. It sounds a deal but on other had violate comes in and end up going back for more days. There are high chances for such people that are in probation for a long time to violate and go back to lock up. Common probation violation includes dirty urine test, drug and alcohol use. To fix this I do think that it is good idea while this individual are on probation to do treatment and put them I rehabilitation instead. Drug addiction is considered mental disorder, releasing people from jail or prison and put them in probation with no treatment chances of violating the term is real easy. Multiple offender are released from jail and prison and ether given parole or probation it well known that this guy have multiple crimes only parole or probation won’t change this guy otherwise they going back to same crime. In this sense it’s even more convenient to leave such people in prison to finish their term, it sounds more helpful than letting them out and violate their term and end up going back to serve even more. The offenders charged with misdemeanor offenses they Better spend time in local lock up rather than endure months on probation. They don’t want to deal with hassle of probation conditions and they can’t afford the thousands of dollars in fee that probation requires. People’s on both sides of criminal justice system agree the trend is troubling it means more people with criminal record are overcrowding local jails and worse. It means more people are charged with crime like dui, domestic violence and possession of small amount of drugs are not getting the treatment they would receive on probation period. Treatment while in probation helps a lot to teach the individual not to go back on same crime.GUSII 789
ReplyDeleteThere are many people within our corrections system that are out of jail or prison on probation/parole within our communities. Most people who receive parole are often given it because their crimes were petty crimes such as possessing a dime bag of weed, etc. There are some problems with parole and probation as we can see 2/3 of people who renter the prison system are people who have been in prison already and are being sent back for small violations of their parole. Part of this is because parole officers are overworked and do not want to spend time babying one person on parole when they have 50-60 other people to worry about so they just send people back to prison for minor violations of their parole agreement simply because they do not have the time to deal with them. Another reason that so many people are being sent back to prison is because often times they are people who are addicted to drugs and need to be sent to rehabilitation and not just be sent out into their community to deal with it themselves. As we learned in class, people will “fall” 8-10 times during their road to recovery from addiction. If we are able to offer these people some type of help while they are on parole, or maybe even make going to rehab part of their parole, we can lower the number of people that are being sent back to prison. One more thing that can affect this, is those who are given elongated parole terms, such as Meek Mill who had a parole sentence of 7years, while this may be an extreme outlier for parole, many times people are on parole for years, and they are bound to make one mistake during those years that they are on parole. Pack789
ReplyDeleteWith this article is really shows how messed up our world really is with the prison system and probation. With what is going on if you even violate your probation even a little you will go to prison. This is not how it should be. Some people that are on probation don’t need to be and then they slip once and they will end up in prison because of our harsh punishments that we have to have on people. It mentioned in the article that 1/3 people are in the jail or prison, are incarcerated based on the rule violations. Now, the big part of this is on the level of education that you have and that plays apart of why you are in the system. It says that if you have a high school diploma you are more likely to have less things while you are on probation because you have a better head of your shoulder than people that are on it. Now with the people that don’t have a diploma they are most likely to had harsh punishment if they violate probation like go to prison or to go to jail but they do not get off that easy as people that have a high school diploma because they took the time and they had one mistake and they don’t want that to cost them in the long run. Now, they are trying to come up with things that will keep them out of the probation system because half the people that are on it don’t need to be there. If they would put programs out there that will help individuals they will have a better chance to make it in life than rather be on probation for the next 4-5 years and no ones wants to b on that long. We need to make facilities that will help them so they don’t end back up on probation of go to prison for violating probation. Gator789
ReplyDeleteI agree with you, probation seems far to strict. It was a good to see you pointed out education on this. Its no wonder some people who are set up to fail do especially when there level of education is not even up to par. I agree also that eliminating and adding a better way for people to succeed is the way to go from here. It would be nice if we spent the money on places for correctional clients to go after prison rather then just probation and a pat on the back with someone saying good luck. pj789
DeleteThe punishment of probation is a good punishment and alternative to prison time. However, it is just like communism in that it is only good on paper and often fails everywhere else. In the United States, probation is often something that prisoners strive to get. Unfortunately, due to the sheer strictness of the probation and the longevity of it, many parolees and probationer find themselves unable to do the time. This is because the entire system of probation in the United States’ correctional system is set up against the correctional clients, probationers, and parolees itself. The term can become very constricting and over a long period of time, it will have a negative effect on the subject. Also, probation officers may violate a probationer or parolee for trivial things like drug use. It takes anywhere from eight to eleven times for a person to successfully wain themselves off of a drug and even then, that person may get the craving for that particular substance from time to time. Often, after a failed drug test, the probationer or parolee may be sent back to a jail and/or prison to serve the rest of their sentence there. This is one of the things that describe how the probation and parole system is at fault. The system must be fixed in order to become a successful part of the Unites States’ correctional system and if it does not get fixed, problems with overcrowding and statistics for violators returning to a correctional facility will stay at ever increasingly high numbers. This is something that should be addressed as soon as possible for the continued and effective use of the correctional system in the United States. Should this problem not be fixed, taxpayer money and overcrowding will continue to be a major problem for the immediate future. –TheMarshall789
ReplyDeleteThis article shows how probation is a on going problem for people in this country. Especially for the ones of color. Overcrowding is becoming a big problem in todays country and probation is a big part of it. Most people are violating their supervision which in turn incarcerates them and eliminates all probation they could have had. People do need to be punished for what they do but not the ways they have been doing it because the only making problems worse. We as americans need to start figuring out ways to find in alternative way for people who violate parole besides incarceration, because this is what is causing a lot of overcrowding problems in prisons today. One of the biggest problems when people violate their probation is that they test positive for drug use. People that are addicted to drugs especially should not be put into jail but instead should be rehabilitated so they don't keep reoffending, but since there is not rehabilitation they are being put somewhere they should not be.This article also discussed about the large number of young men of color that are in the criminal justice system. It says these young men are continually being set up to fail. These men of color are expected to behave absolutely while leaving in high crime areas and possibly being also addicted to drugs with no programs to help. They have very little to no support while they are supervision and that is why most do not make it all the way through without being incarcerated. If people are want probation to work they need to change something, because nothing is going to change without fixing these problems. By setting up these young men they are only making the overcrowding worse, and the also showing probation is being used very wrongly.
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I think that the probation and parole system could be better, but I think it is not too bad right now. I think that the probation officers should be more understanding and that the judges could also be more understanding. I think that the people should be lenient to some of the people on parole or probation. It is most likely difficult to come straight out of prison on parole, and then immediately must change your lifestyle to conform to the parole standards. In the case of Meek Mill, I think that the charges he got put back in prison for not enough reason to put him back in prison. I think that the things that he did were stupid, and he should be responsible for them in some way, but not back to prison for 7 more years. Meek Mill did stupid things like popping a wheelie as the article said. That is something that he could have easily avoided, but he made the wrong decision. He also got caught testing positive for drug use. He should not be using drugs while on parole, but it can be hard to quit drugs, and they should help him fix the problem. I think he should pay for all these little crimes, but I do not think it is enough to justify 7 years. Meek Mill just made the world look deeper into the system. The statistics are bad, that there is such a difference in the rates of probation and parole just depending on your education, and your ethnicity. The problem should be fixed, whether the problem people is being less strict on white people, or people being stricter on black people, the problem needs to be fixed. I think that the probation and parole rules should be changed, so that people still need to be responsible for their actions, but not be thrown in jail again. dp789
ReplyDeleteInteresting article because Meek Mill is a hustler at his best when it comes to making some good music. This just shows how our criminal justice system is a sign of weakness because not even probation is helping individuals to follow their requirements such as Meek Mills. I think the craziest part is the sentence that Meek Mill got on probation for almost 7 years. Looks like most crimes he committed, were low crimes ‘misdemeanors’ that got him trouble. Now, he is on probation for violation of fighting, dirk bike accident, and of course travelling because its part of his job to go preform and do what he does best right? Now, if you violate your probation requirements, it can lead to incarceration because of violations. The article is right that many incarcerations are because of people who violate their requirements. Just for simply doing one wrong thing, can get you in trouble. I feel like the criminal justice is pushing it to hard or being way to strict, and now there are no limits of what can offenders to in violation. Probation Officers should have some sympathy for those who are being offended for dumb things of course, but in all terms I don’t think its fair because some don’t need to have that extensive years of probation. This why Meek Mills was sentences because he violated his requirements. There should be a better way to handle things in the probation unit to help those not get violated by seeing their kind of background, and may this is were judges have to come in and make a better discretion and set rules were they can follow to make it fair for both sides of the individual and criminal justice system. But, this is obviously not going to happen any time soon because it’s a complete mess in our system. - LILPUMP789
ReplyDeleteI agree it does show a weakness we have within our system when it comes to probation. It really doesn't make sense that such strict requirements are put on people, It really sets people up for failure. And what meek mill did here was be a human, nothing else. It would be nice if judges would use there discretion a little so that the playing field could be fair on both sides. i hope it dose improve in the near future but your probably right in that its not going to happen for awhile. Mentalities have to change from our past into where America would like to be in the future which is hopefully not a mass incarceration nation.pj789
DeleteI think that in order to justify very long term probations, a good case needs to be made for a correlation between behaviours that violate probation and an increase in crime. Some things I can understand like drinking heavily or being in certain locations. However, I think that banning people from going to certain locations, travelling, and enforced curfews restrict quality of life and doom people for failure more than they effect any positive change. Probation does not make that much sense to me as these things they are not allowed to do definitely do not harm others. It would make sense for these people to receive harsher penalties if they reoffend within a certain time frame from a punitive viewpoint, but from a rehabilitory viewpoint, this would mean that the system failed the person not the other way around. People who have no extenuating circumstances should be surveilled like those on probation, but they should not be subject to the losing of any freedoms. People who commit crime soberly and for selfish reasons not based on extenuating circumstances should be made to serve the full extent of their punishment when in prison, it should not carry on to after their sentence. It is a bit less clear cut on the topic of those who receive probation instead of any detainment. It seems to me that these people usually have circumstances that explain their crimes. When this is the case, it does not make sense to take rights away from these people. These people should be given the help they need not punished for something they cannot control. People who commit crimes in a free state of mind may be the only people deserving of a strict probation. If it determined that prison would do more harm than help, but some punishment is definitely called for, I suppose some loss of privileges would make sense. It is hard to say what should be done when violate the probation rules. I do not think prison time is necessarily appropriate but monetary fees would also be disproportionately unfair for the poor. Overall, I would have to think more about the topic as a whole before making any complete conclusions, but it is definitely something that needs to be addressed.
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Our society has huge problem when it comes to breaking probation and than having to make up jail time. One of the biggest problems in America, is our criminal justice systems being to strict when it comes to probations, especially when criminals or people on probation breaks small rules of their probation. By violating their probation, many people are sent back to prison , which causes an overcrowding in our prison systems. People who violate their probation by small things like testing positive on a drug test should not be thrown back to prison, but be given help like rehab facilities. This article also talks about how African Americans ,who break their probation, have a higher percentage of being taken back to prison. Higher rates of probation supervision comes from younger black men ,who don’t have a highschool diploma. Many people on probations find it hard to maintain their probation and not break it. Many of them do break it and are sent back to prison. Meek Mill is an example of many who have broken their probation for low- level administration infractions. Even though he should be punished for his violations, it should also be shortened when it comes to small crimes. In order to have less people in the jail systems, we should have supervisors for more serious crimes. We should also reduce the length of supervisors and eliminating probation supervision fees. Many people who are on probation need better supports and service to help them get back on track and stay away from violating their probation. People who are on long term probations are more likely to break them, because it’s harder to maintain the higher expectations. One third of people incarceration are in jail/prison, because of violating their probation. It has also a higher sentencing for those without high school diplomas making it even difficult to succeed.
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What amazes me about this article is that it points out the fallacy of strict supervision for humans. Given a strict set of guide lines I don’t think I know of anyone who wouldn’t want some form of release form those constraints, like in Meek Mills case. He was being human, not a criminal. Everyone messes up and to put people who just got out of an intensely supervised place and expect them to act like angels when they weren’t in the first place only sets them up for failure. Then add where they live and the fact that America has a history of incarcerating Black men and Hispanics it’s really just a no win situation. I had a friend who was on probation; in no way was he a saint. He just got out of jail and we set up a party for him. Well bad idea on our part and his but the guy was trying to have a little fun after what he just experienced. Sure enough he got caught and went back to jail. Today he is no better for it and has a history to prove it. In his case there was no caring for whether he was rehabilitated or not it was just to see if he messed up again so they could throw him back into the belly of the beast. Its nice to see things like the Columbia Justice lab report that shows a number of reforms we could implement. My favorite of which is limiting the number of restrictions on probationers. What these men and women do are human things in some cases involving non violent crimes. To sit there and want to have a drink and go somewhere far away is not a strange and unethical thing that shows that they need to get back to prison. It rather shows that person feeling free once again and trying to live like the rest of society.pj789
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