This clip shows the contrast of the older and younger generations. I think this rift is why the young are generally blazing the pathways to a new reality, because generally the older we get the more lethargic and planted in our ways we are. Today many of us also put much less stock into what our families think of whom we choose as a mate, back then it was still more customary for a gentleman to ask a girl’s father for permission before even approaching her with the subject. This scene also shows how the father is not necessarily worried about what color the doctor is, but more about the well-being of his future grandchildren and the effects of the whole situation on them and his daughter. He sees that the world is not ready for their relationship, but he fails to see that the world never will be ready unless couples such as they blaze the trail. I do think he is right when he said it was unfair to give them such a short amount of time to process all of these things. Proposals, engagements and marriages are usually all a few years in the making, so two weeks would come as a shock. It’s hard to get to know someone in years let alone weeks. If I had been one of her parents I can’t say I would have approved solely on how quickly they jumped to marriage. I feel as if 23 year olds were more mature back then compared to today, but I don’t even feel old enough now to be married and I passed 23 years ago. I understand that times do change, but I think in our culture being married that quickly will always be a head turner, so their races being different wasn’t the only thing shocking their parents. --Burnsky012
I agree, its tough to change an elder persons mind. They tend to be stuck in their ways, but i believe as everyone grows this is a natural behavior. When change occurs younger people tend to be malleable than older individuals. Its like the saying you cant teach an old dog new tricks, well this applies to human behaviors in a sense. When you have trained the mind to think a certain way these learned behaviours stick with us and eventual become absolutes. For example if we are told that guns are bad from a young age and that thought process goes on till your 50s, it would be harder to change than if someone had given you a different point of view when you were 15 or 16. The youth will pave the way for the future and when they get older this process will continue. It will be funny to look back at what you believe when we are challenged in a later stage of life to look at things differently. Our current issues will have some solution hopefully and new issues will arise, it will be interesting to see what those things will be.~pj012
Your post was well said. Honestly throughout the entire movie I found myself questioning if the real issue here was that John was black and Johanna was white, or if it was the fact that they wanted to be married after knowing each other hardly longer than a week. I feel like, sure, some people might think they're in love after such little time, but it truly does take years and years to know a person. And even then you still might know everything. But you're also right about them blazing the trail. If there weren't people like John and Johanna, there wouldn't be people like me, who are biracial. I feel like it seems wild because they've only known each other for a short time, but I don't think fast marriages resulting in children are as uncommon and we might believe. Plus, I think if it were two white people trying to jump the gun and get hitched, it wouldn't be as big of a deal either. The opposite races make the entire situation even harder of a pill to swallow. But you need people who are willing to live on the edge in order for a society to thrive. Without people like John and Johanna, half of the country wouldn't be here today. I do like your points though. Very thoughtful for sure.
I think it is cool to, it even showed that in his time the father was a trailblazer too, but slowed down with his old age. It is always strange to see older people acting like this because it likely means that other young people myself included will likely end up looking like this as well. It is so odd to think that we might end up on the other side of the conversation one of these days. -DMPeschy
This scene was very interesting in how it showed the growth of society during its time. Although the father is concerned about the future of Mr. Prentiss and his daughter he still was considering this proposal of marriage. Had this been an early time period maybe ten years prior it seems like the story might have played out differently. Today we have changed to see that marriage is not the only way to show you love someone. We see less people getting married and more people living with each other for longer periods of time. This action taking place back in those days, the 60s would be frowned upon for more. The fact that they were getting married only two weeks into their relationship is a shocking thing. I’m not completely sure as I don’t know the sheer number of people who get married that fast; I can only assume that it seems that it would be a higher number back than then today. Religion played a bigger role. They were stricter on things such as living with someone or having sex before marriage, so it would seem that this is fitting for their time, but wouldn't happen as much in today's society. I can see difficulty for parents today to accept the time period in which a couple knew each other more so than the color of someone’s skin. It is funny how things work out like that; when one thing becomes less taboo and other things become the norm in our society. This scene illustrated growth and I think that’s something people take for granted. Everyone wants things to change on their time but like evolutionary processes, behavioral growth takes time. Ideas and mentalities don’t change overnight it’s a slow and sometimes arduous process to change. We will grow past all things that happen to present a problem in our society; this scene illustrates the beginning of that process.~pj012
I agree totally and I love how you go about it as time changes society, more is acceptable. Over 60 years since this movie was released showing how the family workers do not agree of any race. Everybody was so closed minded. Today all of this is acceptable but many things we have grown out of like marriage is not as popular and done in a rush as it is in this time period love means marriage in the 1960’s. Many things society does not agree on will probably be acceptable in the future and the movie just shows what time does looking at it in 2018.
I agree totally and I love how you go about it as time changes society, more is acceptable. Over 60 years since this movie was released showing how the family workers do not agree of any race. Everybody was so closed minded. Today all of this is acceptable but many things we have grown out of like marriage is not as popular and done in a rush as it is in this time period love means marriage in the 1960’s. Many things society does not agree on will probably be acceptable in the future and the movie just shows what time does looking at it in 2018. campbell012
You are correct, over time things become more acceptable because people begin to understand what this thing is and why it is. This is no different from race, knowledge, etc. Twenty years from now, we will look back on these past couple of years and I believe we will have a better understanding of the LGBT community and what is going on with that. We also grew up in a culture that either shunned or embraced them. I grew up personally with the understanding that it was weird but they can do what they want, A kind of understanding that if they did not bother me, I would not bother them. Over time, things change and we will see that when we get older. –TheMarshall012
I enjoyed this scene the most from the entire film. I feel like in this scene really highlighted Mr. Drayton’s genuine feelings about the whole situation in general. It is clear that he is not bothered by the fact that Dr. Prentice is African American, but the repercussions that the marriage would have one everyone involved, including the children that they may have. I don’t think that Mr.Drayton was wrong at all, he was absolutely right. At that specific time in history, interracial couples were extremely uncommon. We could prove that just by the reactions of strangers in the movie when they saw John and Joanna together. Everyone was shocked, uncomfortable and maybe even confused. However, I don’t think that this would be a valid objection to the marriage of his daughter and the love of her life. Old people fail to realize that nobody really cares about what they are and are not ready to accept. I think that is why younger people are known for laying the foundations to new ideas and concepts. However, I don’t think that this scene was added to bash Mr.Drayton, but to show how different the young and old perceive things that go on. If we really think about it… Joana was brought up by her parents in a way that encouraged her to accept any and all people, no matter what they looked like. I feel like the background information that Joana and John both have, although different, will make their kids stronger and really show others that skin color is superficial and has been mistaken for and issue of superiority. LayBae012
I agree with what you said. Joanna isn't worried at all what people may think of her in the future because of how she was brought up by her parents. I think that it shouldn't be surprising to her father and mother because of how loving Joanna is. Still in this scene it shows how matt is trying to protect his daughter because he is starting to realize the effect of the lessons they taught her. However I don't think matt was excepting her to marry a black man even though they taught her to except everyone for who they are.-ILIKETURTLES012
Father and future son talk is very interesting how he kind of goes about things with facts, stating the restrictions race has given individuals of the same sex. Father admits he is scared for the future couple. Most things happening in front of them being a future couple is okay he has no problem with it but in the world around them it will not be as acceptable. Some states it will not even be acceptable and there will be laws against this in this time. But it was kind of not the fathers right to judge, he just needs to be there to have their back regardless, not judge them like the world around them. Family should always be there when nobody else is. The father is very closed minded about it like the couple is not ready to face the hatred of society when in reality they knew what they got themselves into they just needed to know the families accept it and that’s all that mattered to them. Today it is totally acceptable the older generation mostly accepts it but it is something I have grown up around especially being mixed I AM both races. It is crazy how the world has revolved multiple races marry daily making mixed kids. Today men can marry men and vice versa. The society around us has totally accepted multiple things that were not even able to be thought of sixty years ago. I am blessed to be in a more accepting world, but people will still have to face many things that is not acceptable. In reality everywhere we go somebody will hate something about you but we are in a world were we are pretty strong minded and can overcome anything. This movie will always be a favorite because the world around us is always changing. -campbell012
In the scene, we see the future son in law talking to his future father in law. The talked about the future and how it was before as compared to now. They talk about how they feel about the situation. It is quite clear that he feels strongly about the relationship with his daughter. He, the dad, has racist thoughts that, while he does not want to admit, he has. I assume he is worried because of thee harm it may do to his daughter. The fact that she wishes to marry a “colored man” has with it the implications that several lifelong problems will occur. She will be subject to the same discrimination that he has seen happen to colored people during that time. He is worried for his daughter and for any grandchildren that she may have. They have seen their daughter grow and raised her since she was small so it is understandable that they assume that she will face discrimination she has never faced before. This may cause her to become depressed because she was not raised in an environment where it was prominent in the community she was in. There was also laws against it during this time. She was going up against the law as well. Everything was stacked up against them and the parents assumed that this would cause major problems for the interracial couple. I would expect nothing less from the parents however and later in the movie we see the same things with the Doctors parents. The whole relationship has rarely if never been done before so it was nothing but assumptions at that point. New thing must be tried before we can accurately guess what will happen and up until that point, it is nothing but assumption. –TheMarshall012
While I agree with most of what you had to say, I do not totally agree that Mr. Drayton had racist thoughts. I believe that it is by human nature that we make certain assumptions about certain categories of people. Whether a person has spent a large portion of their life interacting with a particular group, they may think in a very stereotypical way, but that does not make them racist. I, for example, think of my own race category negatively sometimes. I think it can be hard to see the world differently when we have grown up in a time when things were very different, so it is not that these types of people may be racist, but by law, they were taught to believe that interracial marriage was wrong because it was against the law. MySliceofthePi012
I had totally forgot that this was in fact illegal in most states at that time to marry outside your race. Although I agree that they will, as a married couple, have some if not a lot of backlash due to that, it must’ve been ok in the state of California at that time for them to be able to do so. However, I do not agree with your response that Joey would probably become depressed with all the scrutiny she would no doubtedly face. She was portrayed as a very strong-willed and stubborn individual with a lot of spunk- in reality those type of people flourish in the face of adversity. I also do not agree with your statement on the fact that “He, the dad, has racist thoughts that, while he does not want to admit, he has”. I cannot think of one instance in the movie where he had a racist comment or thought?? He was in fact worried for his daughter first and foremost, the couple second and then their future children. He is wise to the way society thinks and was most worried how that would be projected unto them. TRM-012
I agree with a lot what you said but I don't feel the father had racist thoughts but only the fact that he was so use to how society was and how it would be viewed as wrong that he wasn't okay with it. The father talked about how the son and daughters children would have problems probably due to the mother and father being of different race and I feel he just felt this way because of the time period he grew up because in a lot of states it was illegal. The father was only going based off how he grew up and how he was taught to view society. Mrbubby012
Like I said in previous posts, I did enjoy this film. This scene was obviously very impactful for many reasons. The two are shown speaking in a lighter manner, straying away from the real problem for only a moment or two. The white father talks about how times are changing, and that he remembers when black people couldn’t even play pro baseball and that now there were dozens and dozens of black players on pro teams. He believes that the world is changing so much so that black people were becoming accepted members of society and treated with more respect than he’s ever known in his life time. He jokes that a black person could even become president and it wouldn’t alarm him, which I feel as though it definitely would. Especially then, it would’ve been an outrage. If this were real life and he could see our society today, he’d probably choke on his words knowing Obama, a black man, actually did become president of the United States. It’s very interesting that even to John in the film, he didn’t think a black man becoming president was quite yet achievable. He states that settling for a secretary of state position was probably the highest honor a black man could really obtain. From then to now times have changed even more, and we have progressed further as a nation. They also briefly discuss what it would be like for the children of the interracial couple. The topic to them seemed so delicate as if it would almost shatter the earth to discuss it out loud. The idea of a mixed child then was practically the same as an abomination. The biracial children would face challenges neither of them had ever seen before and backlash they never knew existed. Which is such a stark contrast to how mixed people are treated in society today. I am a biracial child and although I’ve definitely experienced my share of blatant racism, we are also looked at as very unique and special. Nobody blinks an eye anymore at the sight of a mixed person, we’re regular members of society. But, my mom, a white woman, shared with me that 27 years ago, mixed children were still a rarity, and she was shamed for having my biracial sister. Mixed children less than 30 years ago were not a common occurrence like they are today, and my mom used to tell me she was scared for my sister all throughout her childhood. I can only imagine what mixed children had to go through in the 60’s. It’s interesting, although sad, to think about.
I agree with all you said in this post I like your response but you mentioned how you really I enjoyed the film and included you opinion on the clip and connecting to other things it was nice to be able to read what you had to say because I realized some things about the filmed that I didn’t before. -IDK123012
I think this scene (although not as memorable as some of the other scenes in the movie) is very important to the film because it is not only reflects on a time in history, but provides a glimpse into the future. More importantly, this scene is a reflection of values, especially those Mr. Drayton says he holds. Mr. Drayton claims he is a “life-long, fighting liberal, who loathes race prejudice,” but his actions and responses to the situation at hand seem to indicate otherwise. I think Mr. Drayton is a relatable character because he is a tad hypocritical, as he says one thing but does not act in a way that aligns exactly with what he says; however, I believe this is just a product of being human and living in a society with so many other people. People generally know right from wrong and they tend to want to come across as being a nice person who would not do anything to offend or exclude other people. Rarely do people ever speak their true opinions or what they support. Generally, when we speak about certain values, sometimes these are things that we have not always necessarily encountered in life, but we say we hold certain values anyway. We would want to come across as being fair and a person who treats everyone equally because that is generally what American culture teaches us. It is not until we are faced with these specific situations that we begin to understand how we truly feel with any underlying prejudice having surfaced. This scene brings to the forefront of the mind the idea for a person to “practice what they preach.” It is difficult for Mr. Drayton to jump in with both feet and fully support the marriage because he grew up in a very different time than his daughter. Regardless, Mr. and Mrs. Drayton raised their daughter to believe that everyone is truly created equal and to respect those difference, so it is easier for John and Joanna to accept one another and maybe the rougher path they may have to travel because they want to get married. MySliceofthePi012
Assumptions and sociological truths are the basis of most decisions and actions- one assumes, and others follow. This movie defies all the norms and expectations of society No matter how people say they are open minded and fair- there is always a stigma that follows and underlying disapprovals to most situations. It was comical how they said “negros” would never be able to play baseball- and I’m going to assume that was meant for most sports at during that timeframe. Willie Mays was changing some minds regarding that, but he was in fact an exception and considered an anomaly. It would be another 30 years before everyone wanted to be and was on board to ‘being like Mike’. Mr. Drayton was not so much concerned as to his daughter and the doctor being a mixed couple but was more concerned with the fact that his future grandchildren would possibly face hardships for being mixed. We have talked quite a bit about sociological norms and this particular situation was in defiance of almost all norms at that particular time. Mr. Drayton felt it to be unfair to bring the children into a world that was not so open to the idea of mixed children and felt they would have many obstacles to overcome. Joey on the other hand was full of optimism and was intentionally oblivious while John was just as optimistic- he also had a dash of realism to balance them out. He wanted the marriage and the children and all that go with it just as much. It’s unfortunate that it had to be brought up in the fact that it would have, more than likely, been unfair to the children. The world has always been cruel and ignorant to things that are so trivial. Although times have changed, there are still prejudices that trump the optimisms of a lot of situations. We live in a double standard world and to me it is just so questionable and crazy. What does it really hurt and why? The standards set 40, 50, 60 years ago should not be the standards for today. We claim to be an open and forward society- but in all reality not really. TRM-012
In this movie the problem isn’t that the white couple’s daughter is dating and wanted to marry a black man it is because the parents are more focused on their future together as a couple. Johanna’s dad mentions many times throughout the movie that they should think about what will happen to their children meaning, have they thought about what kind of backlash they would get for being children of a black man and a white woman. John says in this clip that times are changing, and the dad says that even though times are changing some people will still feel the same way and time won’t change a lot. This is the one part in the movie where the two actually have a conversation about what is going to happen and not just about what is happening meaning that they are not just talking about him and Joanna but about their future and how it will affect them and their families as one. I like this clip because of what they talk about its important that they address it, eventually it will happen they will have problems because of how others feel about their relationship. In this video it also, shows the relationship between two different generations and how they meet to connect their options about a specific matter. The father mentions how it was unfair that his daughter and John didn’t give them enough time they just sprung this huge decision on them and wanted an answer that day. -IDK123012
In the scene from the movie when he spoke with the father they came across several different topics. The father asked him what and how he felt about what their children would good through in life and the different struggles they may endure. He wasn’t being racist about but knew that it wouldn’t be easy because of how society will look at them and or treat them once they are out in the world. For that time period interracial couples were not common and to have children together was even rarer and frown upon in society. Another topic that came up was when the father asked if he thought it was fare for them to bring this to them and want and approval in such short notice. This is when he told the father that it was all his daughters’ idea and that they would understand and not have a problem with the situation. Parents shouldn’t teach their kids one thing and try to feel another way once a child is older. It almost seemed that even though he raised his daughter to not be prejudice, he was a little and seemed to look at his on past issues. Another thing ways how they stereo typed doctors, when the daughter told everyone that he was the first reaction was how he is a black man, black men can’t be doctors. This is another thing that was uncommon in that time period. Many blacks were not seen in society as a an upper class person but one of the lower class, and for a black man to have a education and a good paying job was something that the time frame wasn’t accustomed to. Some of this issue is still around even today which is really disturbing, a person should be allowed to love who they want and have children and also become what they want to be in life as long as they put in the work. Just me 012
I like how you brought up how even though times are better than they were in the 1960s, we still have problems with race and who to marry. I think this shows that it takes society many many years to accept something that is deemed not correct by its standards. Hopefully in 30-40 years more changes will be seen as acceptable by society. -CUBSFAN012
This movie was amazing and these seen said a lot even though it may not have been that memorable like the other great scenes. The father talked about how he remembered there were no black players in baseball when he was child but they started to show up as time went on. I feel he was saying that society was becoming more acceptable to the idea of blacks being involved with society. When he started to talk about their children and how they would have problems with basically having a black father and a white mother and the son said yes he knew that but he wouldn’t care because they’re just human beings like everyone else. The way the father was thinking was based on how older people viewed the world and the way the son was thinking was based on how the world was becoming. Changing older peoples minds and views is extremely hard because they have lived the same way for so long so why would they change now. The father said that even though the two were confident in what they were doing that he was still scared, which I feel he was scared about what they couple would have to go through with being married and also what the parents would have to go through in supporting them through this all. What hit me the most about this scene was when the father asked if this was being too fast for him to make a decision on this situation and the son said in a way he does. With this being said I feel he felt bad about it being fast due to the fact of how fast a decision had to be made on a wedding itself. I don’t think he felt bad at all with the fact of it being based on race because he knew in his eyes that there shouldn’t be a problem as long as they both were happy. Mrbubby012
Although this scene was not one of the more prominent scenes or exciting ones, it was a very interesting one. It illustrated and highlighted the racial discrimination issue and how it has grown over the years and the effects it can still bring in the future. The old man brought a time up from his past when he said he could remember there were no black baseball players in the MLB. He was old enough to live through such a historic moment when Jackie Robinson did come into the MLB and change the way that game would be played forever. When he asks the black man if he has thought about the problems his children would once face in the future I found it to be such a powerful moment when the man said that he did know, yet he wasn’t scared of what the future would hold for them. He was strong and confident in his racial beliefs that he wasn’t going to back down from the situation. He believed firmly that what was going to happen was okay, and wasn’t an actual problem. The old man was bringing a point of view that the young black man could not have personally. Being racially “superior’ during this time and having the wisdom of an old man to illustrate the times and how they have changed. The old man asked him if he thought the whole situation was moving too quickly and I thought that that was a very strong point in their conversation. Although the black man agreed, he didn’t care that much regarding the speed of the situation because he knows morally what was supposed to be right in society at the time. With whatever discrimination may come with a wedding, he did not care because he was ready for there to be no more discrimination, and he knew he should be able to legally marry the love of his life, with no hatred involved. gea012
The reality of the world they lived in at the time of this movie being made was a much darker one for interracial couples and even the people of color of this nation in general. When this movie released in some 12 states is was still entirely illegal to wed between two seperate races. Not to mention that just because civil rights was on an upswing in the nation did not mean that the world had changed so fast. Mr. Drayton was very nervous about the well being of his daughter and even the children they would have. He saw the world as a cruel place. That would not change nearly fast enough for them to live the life they wanted to live. John was aware of these problems and even makes light of them saying that he would sure like to meet the parents of a white woman who would accept him with open arms. He, however, was not deterred by these problems. He saw this as an obstacle for sure but not a wall that would totally stop them from having happiness. Even though in the end John did intend to go with the wishes of Mr and Mrs. Drayton. He was a strong person who would fight for what he wanted and he did want a life with Joey, but he was a reserved man. He had no intention of collapsing a relationship that had been built throughout many years with Joey and her parents. He was smart enough to realize that even though Joey said she would be fine the loss of a good relationship with her parents would be very difficult for her to handle. I feel that the only reason Mr. Drayton ended up being so upset by the situation was how quickly his daughter forced him into things. She was provided for in every way during her upbringing so the fact that her parents were reserved about the marriage came as a shock to her as she expected like always for things to go smoothly. -twentyfourframes012
I agree with your statement about Mr. Drayton really feeling the most conflict from having to make such a major decision so quickly. He was a very progressive man who did not seem to mind his daughter's new relationship so much as the reality of what her children's lives would be like. From personal experience, I know that rushing or throwing a decision at my parents would most likely not end well for me. In my case however, that was mostly about spending the night at my friend's house or playing video games a little while longer, nothing near getting married to someone of a different race during the time frame of the movie. -CSP012
This scene was not one of the more prominent scenes or exciting ones of the film but, it was a very interesting and important one. It showed the racial discrimination issue and how it has grown over the years and the effects it can still bring in the future. The daughters father brought a time up from his past when he said he could remember there were no black baseball players. He was old enough to live through such a historic moment when Jackie Robinson did come into baseball and change the way that game would be played forever. When he asks the doctor if he has thought about the problems his children would once face in the future, I thought that was a big topic and turned out to be a very powerful moment. He was strong and confident in his racial beliefs that he wasn’t going to back down from the situation.. The father brought up a point of view that the young black man could not have personally. Being racially more or less or a race during this time and having the wisdom of an old man to illustrate the times shows how the times have changed. The father asked him if he thought the whole situation was moving too quickly and I thought that that was a strong point in their conversation. This was because the two of them only knew each other for ten days. Although the black man agreed, he didn’t care that much regarding the speed of the situation because he knows morally what was supposed to be right in society at the time. Overall, this scene might not be the funniest or full of content scene, but it was one the more powerful ones of the whole movie. -CUBSFAN012
Agreed! Though, yes, I agree it wasn’t one of the prominent or exciting scenes, it definitely was one of the more important ones. It addresses racial discrimination and a bunch of other issues, and I think Mr. Prentice and Mr. Drayton were able to bond a bit more during this scene and throughout this conversation. It also shows that Mr. Prentice is respectful of Mr. Drayton, but also has his own personal views and has no problem expressing them to a person of a different color, and in that time (though incorrect) “better” than him. I also agree that that was a good point made! The men were able to relate regarding the hasty resolution to marry in such little time. Agreed, very powerful indeed!
This clip clearly depicts the “old vs. young” concept. But, in my own personal view, I really enjoyed watching this. Not only does it show where people were regarding age and their view of the world, I love how Mr. Prentice was very respectful of Mr. Drayton’s opinions and valued his viewpoints. I also really like that in this clip it shows that Mr. Drayton was more concerned about the future of not only the couple and his daughter more especially, but his grandchildren. I think deep down that’s what his main concern is and what prevents him from being so on board with the marriage. He doesn’t really mind that Mr. Prentice is African-American. He knows, and even acknowledges and admits, that Mr. Prentice is a good, accomplished man. And he continues to receive supporting evidence of this throughout the film and from other people. Like he pointed out in his final speech/address to both families, he knows what it’s like to be deeply in love and long for a significant other. He has the memories fresh in his mind, and he could never forget. Thus, he’s understanding and able to sympathize with his daughter and Mr. Prentice. But, I think he’s too caring and a little hesitant to okay so drastic a change, also keeping in mind that he’d only a day to make a decision. His devotion and immense love and affection for his daughter also helped push him to eventually approve the marriage, in addition to his already liberal views and consistent “nagging” of his close friend and wife. Though I also think in the midst of his stress and anger, he was unable to water it down and think of the main reason why he was so hesitant. Overall, he has a great character arch, and I never thought for a moment that he was mean or a bad person. Really enjoyed this!
In this scene specifically, I saw how the age differences disappeared and almost vanished between Mr. Drayton and Dr. Prentice. It is either because they are sharing the same feelings about the marriage, or it is because there is something going on that might most of the population in that society will not accept it. It was obvious that interracial marriage was uncommon at that time. However, I could feel that Mr. Drayton was not concerned about the marriage itself, but he was thinking about the children who will be born in that society that accept the differences but not dealing with it. We at some point in our lives take some life decisions under certain circumstances, and we don’t see the consequences of that. So, that’s why I think this scene was made to remind the couples that there will be issues that they will face, and they might not be able to deal with it. however, those differences make it very difficult for the parents to see their kids do new things, like getting married to someone who is completely different than them. And at the same time, it shows that the new generation is quickly deal with that stuff and see it as a common because in marriage what matters is understanding each other, the color and the race will never affect the relationship because what we care about those commitments is what are capable to provide and face the struggles. It is an amazing movie, but still, it didn’t solve the problems but at least it showed that those issues were already there, and no one was their fault. However, as one we all should accept each other no matter the situation. I wish to see more acceptance of people who share different religions and see it as a black and white issue! POINTOFVIEW012
This scene really set the tone for the entire movie, for me at least. I knew that Mr. Drayton would either be a complete racist or a very progressive and understanding individual. It turns out that he is in fact very progressive, publishing new and innovative ideas in his newspaper among other things. One's first assumption of any African-American male in the time and setting of the movie would definitely NOT be a doctor, especially not a doctor with the accreditation that Dr. Prentice had earned. One would understandably assume something a little lower in status, even with his professional appearance. The sociological truth is that Dr. Prentice is an anomaly; a HUGE anomaly for the time. Not only did he defy nearly all societal norms at the time, he blatantly disregarded them. Like Dr. Prentice says at the end of the movie, "You see me as a black man, I see myself as a man." Mr. Drayton definitely understands the implications of Dr. Prentice's position, which is why I believe he doesn't shoot down the marriage idea immediately. Instead, Mr. Drayton is focused on the next generation, what Dr. Prentice and Joey's kids would be like, and what they would go through. In this sense, Mr. Drayton refuses societal norms, as he is much more concerned with his daughter's reputation and her children's reputations than his own. The repercussions for his reputation would have been massive, though he does not seem like the type of guys to truly care that much about the statutes of society at the time. -CSP012
This was a really good explination on how big of an anomaly Dr. Prentice is. He really does defy all the labels that people would put on him at this time in America. I think that it is absolutely amazing for a person to essentially be everything they aren't supposed to be. Dr. Prentice isn't just a good doctor he's a marvelous doctor with pages and pages of accreditation. I also really agree with the quote. "you see me as a black man, I see myself as a man." It really ties the whole theme of the movie into one saying and sums it up perfectly. -curlyhead012
This was my favorite scene of the movie because it showed the sincerity the men had for each other. They both had their initial assumptions about each other, but I like how they could set those aside and talk about this problem man to man. Mr. Dreyton assumed that Dr. Prentice had a secret past that he had to know about and he assumed it would be concerning to his daughter. Meanwhile, Dr. Prentice assumed that even though Joanna told him that her parents were liberal and would welcome him with open arms that they would judge him based on the color of his skin. Assumptions are clearly made on both sides, but this scene really shows how Mr. Dreyton digs deep to accept that this is the way he raised his daughter. He is being faced upfront with the problems he goes against politically. I’m sure it makes it even harder for Mr. Dreyton to dig deep and support his daughter because it is also all happening so fast. Even back in the 60s it was still shocking to talk to your parents about getting married 10 days after you met the guy. Sociologically speaking, commonalities between couples in this time were extremely prevalent and they still are today. Race prejudice is not something that just disappeared in 50 years. Another point I could make is that segregation was outlawed but it doesn’t mean it still doesn’t exist. A prime example of this is Tilly being the Dreyton’s maid and happening to be black. Really what I am trying to say here is that just because things like segregation and slavery have been outlawed doesn’t mean it still goes on or changes people’s opinions. People’s morals are strong, steady, and a part of who they are. No matter what the law is people will still have assumptions and opinions of all people especially those different than them. -curlyhead012
I totally agree with your thoughts on this scene! I really liked how it depicted both the sincerity and love that the father and son shared, and also how it showed where they differed in their thinking and opinions on respect, owing, and what is acceptable behavior. The final few moments of the scene showed the two of them reconciling their brief argument by recognizing that they were father and son, and would always love each other despite disagreements such as this one. It was a very well shot scene with a lot to learn about interaction, and a beautiful message as well!
I apologize, I posted the wrong response here, it was typed for the other post in my word document. I do however, agree with what you have to say here. This scene had a lot to say about the assumptions that they initially had about each other. I really appreciate how in this brief scene, they are able to recognize the assumptions that both had, and that in having those assumptions, it made them less open to one another. The conversation in this scene shows why it is so beneficial to lay assumptions aside when going into a relationship or interaction with someone. It simplifies the interaction, and ensures that people don’t have preconceived notions about each other that only hinder the growth of a healthy relationship.
This was a really great scene from the movie, and it gave a snapshot of what the times were like. The point that was trying to be made was that people should be able to be whatever they want to be. When he says at the beginning “I don’t guess you want to be dogcatcher any more than he wants to be mayor of San Fransisco,” it implies that we are conditioned to “want” or “desire” to participate in things that fit with our racial scripts (if you will), and go along with societies’ norms for activities, behaviors, and pursuits. This mindset causes people to choose things not based on their true desires, but based on what they have been conditioned and “socialized” to desire. He also brings up a valid point with the children that the couple would potentially have as a result of the marriage. The idea and concern he introduces is that of “social lag.” By the time the couple has children and they begin to integrate into society through schooling, church, friends, etc… the amount of acceptance for biracial children can’t be known. There is a large possibility that the older generations that interact with the children are not as comfortable with the idea of a biracial couple with mixed children. This is social lag. Social lag is defined as: “the notion that culture takes time to catch up with technological (or sociological) innovations.” It is hard for the new father and mother to gauge what the attitudes of the people that interact with their children will be, but it is a risk that they must take going forward with their marriage. The fact that Joey’s father himself was uncomfortable with the idea also is an indication of a social lag, but on a much smaller scale. He was not opposed outright to the marriage, but was just unfamiliar, and not ready for it to take place with his daughter on such short notice.
Great blog. I really do agree with you on many different levels. The social lag is perhaps the most concerning of the topics discussed. I too, found it very interesting as the two men began to discuss the idea of children within this marriage and what they would experience while being part of a mixed and biracial marriage. How would the world around them accept them? What would it be like for them to attend school and find a place in a social circle? At the time it was really quite hard ton know what to expect in this circumstance. Since then, I feel that the social lag on this subject has changed considerably. There may still be some differences of opinion. However I think it is wonderful the amount of biracial couples and families this country and in this world. It is really quite beautiful. -THEARSONIST012
I agree with your statement about this being a very good scene from the movie. I think that some people desire and want things that are out of their "racial script," but I agree that others do not explore and look outside of it as well. I think that everyone should pick to do what they want and desire to do. When Tilly found out John was a doctor she seemed even more mad than she was before. I think this is because she wanted to believe that he was not the right man and was not good enough for Joanna but did not. Good blog! - mommaj'skid012
This scene was very odd for me to watch. Growing up I lived with my three half black cousins, and two half Korean cousins, and nobody ever made anything of it. I do understand that some people still look at interracial marriages and their children and think it is odd on a conceptual level, but it is very strange to see people thinking it an oddity. In my homes it was the norm for people of different races to be together, so to me this is like looking at some sort of alien world where the rules are completely different. I am glad that things are different now, while it is still not perfectly normal to see interracial marriage, it is much more reasonable to get into an interracial relationship now. All of that said, I do think that the two main characters of the movie were being very irresponsible. They had only just met each other, and while it shouldn't be the parent's choice at all, I think that the main characters shouldn't have expected a blessing. I kind of think that they were partially using the interracial card to divert attention away from the topic of how long they had known each other. -DMPeschy
I truly think that this is a pivotal and weighted scene within this movie. It is crucially important that these two men, the father of Johanna, and the the man that she loves. I found it almost rather heartwarming that both Johanna’s father, Mr. Drayton, and John were able to have this deep and important conversation. Often these days I find that men, young and old, really struggle to have crucial conversations with their fathers. Sons may make choices on their own and choose to disregard the thoughts and concerns that their fathers have. Also, to take it even a step further, most men and young men to be very precise, would not be able to have such an important conversation with their father in law’s (or in this case, the soon to be father and son in law John and Mr. Drayton). I think it was very admirable for John to take the risky step and say that he would indeed not marry Johanna without her father's complete consent. This must have been huge for John. Imagine falling in love with a beautiful woman and then knowing that you may not be able to marry her or really have any sort of future with her. John seemed to view this as possibly something that could happen. However he appeared very confident and calm about the situation as he walked into Mr. Drayton’s office and declared his plan and feelings about the situation. Again, I think it is very interesting to look at the social lag and the differences of acceptance in a world that seems so very long ago. However, it really hasn’t been since this was the norm in America and across the globe. I also want to reiterate how wonderful and important is for us to have crucial conversations. It is most important that we continue to cultivate this art as the coming world of media seems to be bombarding our society. -THEARSONIST012
I really like the take that you took in describing this scene in the film. I watched this from more of a view as to looking at it in a negative light because of Joe’s father’s slight displeasure. IN putting it in terms of the two of them sitting down like a father and a son having a conversation, it makes it much easier to see if from the father’s point of view. He was genuinely concerned about the well being of both of them. This was a crucial scene in the movie because, as is true in life, it portrayed the nerve-wracking scene of a man meeting his future father in law. “Patriots012”
I liked this one a lot because it can also relate to things today. In the video Joanna's father is worried because of the worlds standards. The children john and Joanna would have would be mixed and the father is worried about what others might think and the kind of problems the family would also have. Joanna doesn't have any problems with how their family could end up being judged by others. Neither does john but he understands the problems and consequences that could come with it. Back then there we many of thing you couldn't do or be because of your race. Interracial couples is one of them. According to the social standards back then only black men could marry black women and white men could only marry white women. Joanna and john are going to be committing deviance because they are going against social standards. They are stepping outside of their roles that society gives to them. The whole situation was frustrating for everyone because Joanna thought her parents were going to be excepting of them getting married. They weren't at first because they were set on the social standards and it not being ok for a black man to be married to a white women. Seeing them both being confident in their marriage scared matt. He was more worried about what the world would think of their marriage then they were. He was also confused when him and john were talking about the future for their children because Joanna was so optimistic and thought they could be successful and be the president of the united states. We see a lot of this today too when it comes to women. There are a lot of stereotypes set for women. for example, when people say that women have to be stay at homes moms and men are the ones to be working. The same thing goes for people of different races.-ILIKETURTLES012
I absolutely loved this movie, and there are definitely many scenes from this film that could be picked out and pulled apart sociologically. As far as this scene goes, we are given a glimpse of the first time that Doc and Joe’s father really sit down and truly talk. One very clear idea presented in this clip was the generation gap between the old and the young. Although Joe’s father would be considered very liberal for his age, it was clear that he still had some reservations when taking the marriage into consideration. Although he did his best in the beginning of this film to be supportive because he knew that Joe was just living out his values, he could not help but let show his implicit bias. Although he trained his mind that African Americans were equal to whites in every way, it was clear that the culture around him, and possibly his upbringing, still influenced him. He thought much more about the repercussions than Doc did, and especially more about them than his daughter did. This can be true even today with the older and younger generations because things are going to continually change. Culture never really lays stagnant, and it seems that with each generation a new set of issues develops, which means a new set of actions must be taken to address them. To the elder generation, this new way of thinking is completely foreign, and change is often hard to accept. This movie did have a lot of hope in it though because these issues were able to be addressed in a way in which at the end of the film all of the parties involved were, although put in their place and called out, respected. It went from an old versus young mentality to everyone hearing out each other’s opinions. “Patriots012”
I really enjoyed this scene. I think that Joanna's father is too worried about the social appearance that his daughter and john will make and the problems their children may have, because hopefully other people are going to be breaking the norm of same race marriage as well. I really enjoyed watching this movie because it basically sums up the term sociology. It talks about norms and cultrual differences. You see things like ageism, racism, social stratification, patriarchy, etc. in this movie. They portrayed how life was back in the sixty's for people and they did this well. Sometimes is hard to visualize that the country was actually like that. It is hard to believe that people were so judgemental about those marrying and having children outside their race because no one thinks anything of it now. I look at people and do not think a thing other than what a cute couple and cute kids. Joanna's dad was thinking more into the future than what John and Joanna did. Joanna seemed to be rushing things and wanting to move very fast and at some parts I was a little worried that John was not all in and wanting to move this fast by his behavior. I then realized that John was more predictable and more patient. He wanted to do things right and talk to Joanna's parents and his parents at the right time. He was hesitant talking to his own parents for sure, because of the shock it would bring them, but Joanna did not see it that way. She did not see anyting wrong with marrying a black man just as we do not see anything wrong with it now. She did not think about the future repercussions that her family may have because of this. Tilly definitely was not on board because she thought that John was marrying her for the wrong reasons. - mommaj'skid012
The scene does a great job demonstrating the ways in which society changes by generation. If it weren't for the younger generations of the world, change would seldom ever happen. Old people are stuck in their ways most of the time. They have seen the world unfold around them and once they get to a certain age (it is different for everyone) thats how they view the world in general. The cool part about this scene is that John bridges the gap between the old and the young. He is 14 years older than Joanna, but certainly decades younger than Matt Drayton. He has grown up seeing segregation as an adult, and this realism is shown in the scene. He says things are changing, which is true, but he also acknowledges the problems his children might have. He is not a naive person like Joey, but he still accepts that things will change for the better in his society. I do believe that Matt Drayton was a little bit too concerned with societies opinion. He simply just does not get that his opinions are old and outdated. His prior prejudices, which he claims to not have and taught Joanna not to have, come out when he is confronted with the reality of his daughter actually going through with what they taught her.
This clip shows the contrast of the older and younger generations. I think this rift is why the young are generally blazing the pathways to a new reality, because generally the older we get the more lethargic and planted in our ways we are. Today many of us also put much less stock into what our families think of whom we choose as a mate, back then it was still more customary for a gentleman to ask a girl’s father for permission before even approaching her with the subject. This scene also shows how the father is not necessarily worried about what color the doctor is, but more about the well-being of his future grandchildren and the effects of the whole situation on them and his daughter. He sees that the world is not ready for their relationship, but he fails to see that the world never will be ready unless couples such as they blaze the trail. I do think he is right when he said it was unfair to give them such a short amount of time to process all of these things. Proposals, engagements and marriages are usually all a few years in the making, so two weeks would come as a shock. It’s hard to get to know someone in years let alone weeks. If I had been one of her parents I can’t say I would have approved solely on how quickly they jumped to marriage. I feel as if 23 year olds were more mature back then compared to today, but I don’t even feel old enough now to be married and I passed 23 years ago. I understand that times do change, but I think in our culture being married that quickly will always be a head turner, so their races being different wasn’t the only thing shocking their parents.
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I agree, its tough to change an elder persons mind. They tend to be stuck in their ways, but i believe as everyone grows this is a natural behavior. When change occurs younger people tend to be malleable than older individuals. Its like the saying you cant teach an old dog new tricks, well this applies to human behaviors in a sense. When you have trained the mind to think a certain way these learned behaviours stick with us and eventual become absolutes. For example if we are told that guns are bad from a young age and that thought process goes on till your 50s, it would be harder to change than if someone had given you a different point of view when you were 15 or 16. The youth will pave the way for the future and when they get older this process will continue. It will be funny to look back at what you believe when we are challenged in a later stage of life to look at things differently. Our current issues will have some solution hopefully and new issues will arise, it will be interesting to see what those things will be.~pj012
DeleteYour post was well said. Honestly throughout the entire movie I found myself questioning if the real issue here was that John was black and Johanna was white, or if it was the fact that they wanted to be married after knowing each other hardly longer than a week. I feel like, sure, some people might think they're in love after such little time, but it truly does take years and years to know a person. And even then you still might know everything. But you're also right about them blazing the trail. If there weren't people like John and Johanna, there wouldn't be people like me, who are biracial. I feel like it seems wild because they've only known each other for a short time, but I don't think fast marriages resulting in children are as uncommon and we might believe. Plus, I think if it were two white people trying to jump the gun and get hitched, it wouldn't be as big of a deal either. The opposite races make the entire situation even harder of a pill to swallow. But you need people who are willing to live on the edge in order for a society to thrive. Without people like John and Johanna, half of the country wouldn't be here today. I do like your points though. Very thoughtful for sure.
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I think it is cool to, it even showed that in his time the father was a trailblazer too, but slowed down with his old age. It is always strange to see older people acting like this because it likely means that other young people myself included will likely end up looking like this as well. It is so odd to think that we might end up on the other side of the conversation one of these days.
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This scene was very interesting in how it showed the growth of society during its time. Although the father is concerned about the future of Mr. Prentiss and his daughter he still was considering this proposal of marriage. Had this been an early time period maybe ten years prior it seems like the story might have played out differently. Today we have changed to see that marriage is not the only way to show you love someone. We see less people getting married and more people living with each other for longer periods of time. This action taking place back in those days, the 60s would be frowned upon for more. The fact that they were getting married only two weeks into their relationship is a shocking thing. I’m not completely sure as I don’t know the sheer number of people who get married that fast; I can only assume that it seems that it would be a higher number back than then today. Religion played a bigger role. They were stricter on things such as living with someone or having sex before marriage, so it would seem that this is fitting for their time, but wouldn't happen as much in today's society. I can see difficulty for parents today to accept the time period in which a couple knew each other more so than the color of someone’s skin. It is funny how things work out like that; when one thing becomes less taboo and other things become the norm in our society. This scene illustrated growth and I think that’s something people take for granted. Everyone wants things to change on their time but like evolutionary processes, behavioral growth takes time. Ideas and mentalities don’t change overnight it’s a slow and sometimes arduous process to change. We will grow past all things that happen to present a problem in our society; this scene illustrates the beginning of that process.~pj012
ReplyDeleteI agree totally and I love how you go about it as time changes society, more is acceptable. Over 60 years since this movie was released showing how the family workers do not agree of any race. Everybody was so closed minded. Today all of this is acceptable but many things we have grown out of like marriage is not as popular and done in a rush as it is in this time period love means marriage in the 1960’s. Many things society does not agree on will probably be acceptable in the future and the movie just shows what time does looking at it in 2018.
DeleteI agree totally and I love how you go about it as time changes society, more is acceptable. Over 60 years since this movie was released showing how the family workers do not agree of any race. Everybody was so closed minded. Today all of this is acceptable but many things we have grown out of like marriage is not as popular and done in a rush as it is in this time period love means marriage in the 1960’s. Many things society does not agree on will probably be acceptable in the future and the movie just shows what time does looking at it in 2018.
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You are correct, over time things become more acceptable because people begin to understand what this thing is and why it is. This is no different from race, knowledge, etc. Twenty years from now, we will look back on these past couple of years and I believe we will have a better understanding of the LGBT community and what is going on with that. We also grew up in a culture that either shunned or embraced them. I grew up personally with the understanding that it was weird but they can do what they want, A kind of understanding that if they did not bother me, I would not bother them. Over time, things change and we will see that when we get older. –TheMarshall012
DeleteI enjoyed this scene the most from the entire film. I feel like in this scene really highlighted Mr. Drayton’s genuine feelings about the whole situation in general. It is clear that he is not bothered by the fact that Dr. Prentice is African American, but the repercussions that the marriage would have one everyone involved, including the children that they may have. I don’t think that Mr.Drayton was wrong at all, he was absolutely right. At that specific time in history, interracial couples were extremely uncommon. We could prove that just by the reactions of strangers in the movie when they saw John and Joanna together. Everyone was shocked, uncomfortable and maybe even confused. However, I don’t think that this would be a valid objection to the marriage of his daughter and the love of her life. Old people fail to realize that nobody really cares about what they are and are not ready to accept. I think that is why younger people are known for laying the foundations to new ideas and concepts. However, I don’t think that this scene was added to bash Mr.Drayton, but to show how different the young and old perceive things that go on. If we really think about it… Joana was brought up by her parents in a way that encouraged her to accept any and all people, no matter what they looked like. I feel like the background information that Joana and John both have, although different, will make their kids stronger and really show others that skin color is superficial and has been mistaken for and issue of superiority.
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I agree with what you said. Joanna isn't worried at all what people may think of her in the future because of how she was brought up by her parents. I think that it shouldn't be surprising to her father and mother because of how loving Joanna is. Still in this scene it shows how matt is trying to protect his daughter because he is starting to realize the effect of the lessons they taught her. However I don't think matt was excepting her to marry a black man even though they taught her to except everyone for who they are.-ILIKETURTLES012
DeleteFather and future son talk is very interesting how he kind of goes about things with facts, stating the restrictions race has given individuals of the same sex. Father admits he is scared for the future couple. Most things happening in front of them being a future couple is okay he has no problem with it but in the world around them it will not be as acceptable. Some states it will not even be acceptable and there will be laws against this in this time. But it was kind of not the fathers right to judge, he just needs to be there to have their back regardless, not judge them like the world around them. Family should always be there when nobody else is. The father is very closed minded about it like the couple is not ready to face the hatred of society when in reality they knew what they got themselves into they just needed to know the families accept it and that’s all that mattered to them. Today it is totally acceptable the older generation mostly accepts it but it is something I have grown up around especially being mixed I AM both races. It is crazy how the world has revolved multiple races marry daily making mixed kids. Today men can marry men and vice versa. The society around us has totally accepted multiple things that were not even able to be thought of sixty years ago. I am blessed to be in a more accepting world, but people will still have to face many things that is not acceptable. In reality everywhere we go somebody will hate something about you but we are in a world were we are pretty strong minded and can overcome anything. This movie will always be a favorite because the world around us is always changing.
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In the scene, we see the future son in law talking to his future father in law. The talked about the future and how it was before as compared to now. They talk about how they feel about the situation. It is quite clear that he feels strongly about the relationship with his daughter. He, the dad, has racist thoughts that, while he does not want to admit, he has. I assume he is worried because of thee harm it may do to his daughter. The fact that she wishes to marry a “colored man” has with it the implications that several lifelong problems will occur. She will be subject to the same discrimination that he has seen happen to colored people during that time. He is worried for his daughter and for any grandchildren that she may have. They have seen their daughter grow and raised her since she was small so it is understandable that they assume that she will face discrimination she has never faced before. This may cause her to become depressed because she was not raised in an environment where it was prominent in the community she was in. There was also laws against it during this time. She was going up against the law as well. Everything was stacked up against them and the parents assumed that this would cause major problems for the interracial couple. I would expect nothing less from the parents however and later in the movie we see the same things with the Doctors parents. The whole relationship has rarely if never been done before so it was nothing but assumptions at that point. New thing must be tried before we can accurately guess what will happen and up until that point, it is nothing but assumption. –TheMarshall012
ReplyDeleteWhile I agree with most of what you had to say, I do not totally agree that Mr. Drayton had racist thoughts. I believe that it is by human nature that we make certain assumptions about certain categories of people. Whether a person has spent a large portion of their life interacting with a particular group, they may think in a very stereotypical way, but that does not make them racist. I, for example, think of my own race category negatively sometimes. I think it can be hard to see the world differently when we have grown up in a time when things were very different, so it is not that these types of people may be racist, but by law, they were taught to believe that interracial marriage was wrong because it was against the law. MySliceofthePi012
DeleteI had totally forgot that this was in fact illegal in most states at that time to marry outside your race. Although I agree that they will, as a married couple, have some if not a lot of backlash due to that, it must’ve been ok in the state of California at that time for them to be able to do so. However, I do not agree with your response that Joey would probably become depressed with all the scrutiny she would no doubtedly face. She was portrayed as a very strong-willed and stubborn individual with a lot of spunk- in reality those type of people flourish in the face of adversity. I also do not agree with your statement on the fact that “He, the dad, has racist thoughts that, while he does not want to admit, he has”. I cannot think of one instance in the movie where he had a racist comment or thought?? He was in fact worried for his daughter first and foremost, the couple second and then their future children. He is wise to the way society thinks and was most worried how that would be projected unto them. TRM-012
DeleteI agree with a lot what you said but I don't feel the father had racist thoughts but only the fact that he was so use to how society was and how it would be viewed as wrong that he wasn't okay with it. The father talked about how the son and daughters children would have problems probably due to the mother and father being of different race and I feel he just felt this way because of the time period he grew up because in a lot of states it was illegal. The father was only going based off how he grew up and how he was taught to view society. Mrbubby012
DeleteLike I said in previous posts, I did enjoy this film. This scene was obviously very impactful for many reasons. The two are shown speaking in a lighter manner, straying away from the real problem for only a moment or two. The white father talks about how times are changing, and that he remembers when black people couldn’t even play pro baseball and that now there were dozens and dozens of black players on pro teams. He believes that the world is changing so much so that black people were becoming accepted members of society and treated with more respect than he’s ever known in his life time. He jokes that a black person could even become president and it wouldn’t alarm him, which I feel as though it definitely would. Especially then, it would’ve been an outrage. If this were real life and he could see our society today, he’d probably choke on his words knowing Obama, a black man, actually did become president of the United States. It’s very interesting that even to John in the film, he didn’t think a black man becoming president was quite yet achievable. He states that settling for a secretary of state position was probably the highest honor a black man could really obtain. From then to now times have changed even more, and we have progressed further as a nation. They also briefly discuss what it would be like for the children of the interracial couple. The topic to them seemed so delicate as if it would almost shatter the earth to discuss it out loud. The idea of a mixed child then was practically the same as an abomination. The biracial children would face challenges neither of them had ever seen before and backlash they never knew existed. Which is such a stark contrast to how mixed people are treated in society today. I am a biracial child and although I’ve definitely experienced my share of blatant racism, we are also looked at as very unique and special. Nobody blinks an eye anymore at the sight of a mixed person, we’re regular members of society. But, my mom, a white woman, shared with me that 27 years ago, mixed children were still a rarity, and she was shamed for having my biracial sister. Mixed children less than 30 years ago were not a common occurrence like they are today, and my mom used to tell me she was scared for my sister all throughout her childhood. I can only imagine what mixed children had to go through in the 60’s. It’s interesting, although sad, to think about.
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I agree with all you said in this post I like your response but you mentioned how you really I enjoyed the film and included you opinion on the clip and connecting to other things it was nice to be able to read what you had to say because I realized some things about the filmed that I didn’t before.
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I think this scene (although not as memorable as some of the other scenes in the movie) is very important to the film because it is not only reflects on a time in history, but provides a glimpse into the future. More importantly, this scene is a reflection of values, especially those Mr. Drayton says he holds. Mr. Drayton claims he is a “life-long, fighting liberal, who loathes race prejudice,” but his actions and responses to the situation at hand seem to indicate otherwise. I think Mr. Drayton is a relatable character because he is a tad hypocritical, as he says one thing but does not act in a way that aligns exactly with what he says; however, I believe this is just a product of being human and living in a society with so many other people. People generally know right from wrong and they tend to want to come across as being a nice person who would not do anything to offend or exclude other people. Rarely do people ever speak their true opinions or what they support. Generally, when we speak about certain values, sometimes these are things that we have not always necessarily encountered in life, but we say we hold certain values anyway. We would want to come across as being fair and a person who treats everyone equally because that is generally what American culture teaches us. It is not until we are faced with these specific situations that we begin to understand how we truly feel with any underlying prejudice having surfaced. This scene brings to the forefront of the mind the idea for a person to “practice what they preach.” It is difficult for Mr. Drayton to jump in with both feet and fully support the marriage because he grew up in a very different time than his daughter. Regardless, Mr. and Mrs. Drayton raised their daughter to believe that everyone is truly created equal and to respect those difference, so it is easier for John and Joanna to accept one another and maybe the rougher path they may have to travel because they want to get married. MySliceofthePi012
ReplyDeleteAssumptions and sociological truths are the basis of most decisions and actions- one assumes, and others follow. This movie defies all the norms and expectations of society No matter how people say they are open minded and fair- there is always a stigma that follows and underlying disapprovals to most situations. It was comical how they said “negros” would never be able to play baseball- and I’m going to assume that was meant for most sports at during that timeframe. Willie Mays was changing some minds regarding that, but he was in fact an exception and considered an anomaly. It would be another 30 years before everyone wanted to be and was on board to ‘being like Mike’. Mr. Drayton was not so much concerned as to his daughter and the doctor being a mixed couple but was more concerned with the fact that his future grandchildren would possibly face hardships for being mixed. We have talked quite a bit about sociological norms and this particular situation was in defiance of almost all norms at that particular time. Mr. Drayton felt it to be unfair to bring the children into a world that was not so open to the idea of mixed children and felt they would have many obstacles to overcome. Joey on the other hand was full of optimism and was intentionally oblivious while John was just as optimistic- he also had a dash of realism to balance them out. He wanted the marriage and the children and all that go with it just as much. It’s unfortunate that it had to be brought up in the fact that it would have, more than likely, been unfair to the children. The world has always been cruel and ignorant to things that are so trivial. Although times have changed, there are still prejudices that trump the optimisms of a lot of situations. We live in a double standard world and to me it is just so questionable and crazy. What does it really hurt and why? The standards set 40, 50, 60 years ago should not be the standards for today. We claim to be an open and forward society- but in all reality not really. TRM-012
ReplyDeleteIn this movie the problem isn’t that the white couple’s daughter is dating and wanted to marry a black man it is because the parents are more focused on their future together as a couple. Johanna’s dad mentions many times throughout the movie that they should think about what will happen to their children meaning, have they thought about what kind of backlash they would get for being children of a black man and a white woman. John says in this clip that times are changing, and the dad says that even though times are changing some people will still feel the same way and time won’t change a lot. This is the one part in the movie where the two actually have a conversation about what is going to happen and not just about what is happening meaning that they are not just talking about him and Joanna but about their future and how it will affect them and their families as one. I like this clip because of what they talk about its important that they address it, eventually it will happen they will have problems because of how others feel about their relationship. In this video it also, shows the relationship between two different generations and how they meet to connect their options about a specific matter. The father mentions how it was unfair that his daughter and John didn’t give them enough time they just sprung this huge decision on them and wanted an answer that day.
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In the scene from the movie when he spoke with the father they came across several different topics. The father asked him what and how he felt about what their children would good through in life and the different struggles they may endure. He wasn’t being racist about but knew that it wouldn’t be easy because of how society will look at them and or treat them once they are out in the world. For that time period interracial couples were not common and to have children together was even rarer and frown upon in society. Another topic that came up was when the father asked if he thought it was fare for them to bring this to them and want and approval in such short notice. This is when he told the father that it was all his daughters’ idea and that they would understand and not have a problem with the situation. Parents shouldn’t teach their kids one thing and try to feel another way once a child is older. It almost seemed that even though he raised his daughter to not be prejudice, he was a little and seemed to look at his on past issues. Another thing ways how they stereo typed doctors, when the daughter told everyone that he was the first reaction was how he is a black man, black men can’t be doctors. This is another thing that was uncommon in that time period. Many blacks were not seen in society as a an upper class person but one of the lower class, and for a black man to have a education and a good paying job was something that the time frame wasn’t accustomed to. Some of this issue is still around even today which is really disturbing, a person should be allowed to love who they want and have children and also become what they want to be in life as long as they put in the work. Just me 012
ReplyDeleteI like how you brought up how even though times are better than they were in the 1960s, we still have problems with race and who to marry. I think this shows that it takes society many many years to accept something that is deemed not correct by its standards. Hopefully in 30-40 years more changes will be seen as acceptable by society. -CUBSFAN012
DeleteThis movie was amazing and these seen said a lot even though it may not have been that memorable like the other great scenes. The father talked about how he remembered there were no black players in baseball when he was child but they started to show up as time went on. I feel he was saying that society was becoming more acceptable to the idea of blacks being involved with society. When he started to talk about their children and how they would have problems with basically having a black father and a white mother and the son said yes he knew that but he wouldn’t care because they’re just human beings like everyone else. The way the father was thinking was based on how older people viewed the world and the way the son was thinking was based on how the world was becoming. Changing older peoples minds and views is extremely hard because they have lived the same way for so long so why would they change now. The father said that even though the two were confident in what they were doing that he was still scared, which I feel he was scared about what they couple would have to go through with being married and also what the parents would have to go through in supporting them through this all. What hit me the most about this scene was when the father asked if this was being too fast for him to make a decision on this situation and the son said in a way he does. With this being said I feel he felt bad about it being fast due to the fact of how fast a decision had to be made on a wedding itself. I don’t think he felt bad at all with the fact of it being based on race because he knew in his eyes that there shouldn’t be a problem as long as they both were happy. Mrbubby012
ReplyDeleteAlthough this scene was not one of the more prominent scenes or exciting ones, it was a very interesting one. It illustrated and highlighted the racial discrimination issue and how it has grown over the years and the effects it can still bring in the future. The old man brought a time up from his past when he said he could remember there were no black baseball players in the MLB. He was old enough to live through such a historic moment when Jackie Robinson did come into the MLB and change the way that game would be played forever. When he asks the black man if he has thought about the problems his children would once face in the future I found it to be such a powerful moment when the man said that he did know, yet he wasn’t scared of what the future would hold for them. He was strong and confident in his racial beliefs that he wasn’t going to back down from the situation. He believed firmly that what was going to happen was okay, and wasn’t an actual problem. The old man was bringing a point of view that the young black man could not have personally. Being racially “superior’ during this time and having the wisdom of an old man to illustrate the times and how they have changed. The old man asked him if he thought the whole situation was moving too quickly and I thought that that was a very strong point in their conversation. Although the black man agreed, he didn’t care that much regarding the speed of the situation because he knows morally what was supposed to be right in society at the time. With whatever discrimination may come with a wedding, he did not care because he was ready for there to be no more discrimination, and he knew he should be able to legally marry the love of his life, with no hatred involved.
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The reality of the world they lived in at the time of this movie being made was a much darker one for interracial couples and even the people of color of this nation in general. When this movie released in some 12 states is was still entirely illegal to wed between two seperate races. Not to mention that just because civil rights was on an upswing in the nation did not mean that the world had changed so fast. Mr. Drayton was very nervous about the well being of his daughter and even the children they would have. He saw the world as a cruel place. That would not change nearly fast enough for them to live the life they wanted to live. John was aware of these problems and even makes light of them saying that he would sure like to meet the parents of a white woman who would accept him with open arms. He, however, was not deterred by these problems. He saw this as an obstacle for sure but not a wall that would totally stop them from having happiness. Even though in the end John did intend to go with the wishes of Mr and Mrs. Drayton. He was a strong person who would fight for what he wanted and he did want a life with Joey, but he was a reserved man. He had no intention of collapsing a relationship that had been built throughout many years with Joey and her parents. He was smart enough to realize that even though Joey said she would be fine the loss of a good relationship with her parents would be very difficult for her to handle. I feel that the only reason Mr. Drayton ended up being so upset by the situation was how quickly his daughter forced him into things. She was provided for in every way during her upbringing so the fact that her parents were reserved about the marriage came as a shock to her as she expected like always for things to go smoothly. -twentyfourframes012
ReplyDeleteI agree with your statement about Mr. Drayton really feeling the most conflict from having to make such a major decision so quickly. He was a very progressive man who did not seem to mind his daughter's new relationship so much as the reality of what her children's lives would be like. From personal experience, I know that rushing or throwing a decision at my parents would most likely not end well for me. In my case however, that was mostly about spending the night at my friend's house or playing video games a little while longer, nothing near getting married to someone of a different race during the time frame of the movie. -CSP012
DeleteThis scene was not one of the more prominent scenes or exciting ones of the film but, it was a very interesting and important one. It showed the racial discrimination issue and how it has grown over the years and the effects it can still bring in the future. The daughters father brought a time up from his past when he said he could remember there were no black baseball players. He was old enough to live through such a historic moment when Jackie Robinson did come into baseball and change the way that game would be played forever. When he asks the doctor if he has thought about the problems his children would once face in the future, I thought that was a big topic and turned out to be a very powerful moment. He was strong and confident in his racial beliefs that he wasn’t going to back down from the situation.. The father brought up a point of view that the young black man could not have personally. Being racially more or less or a race during this time and having the wisdom of an old man to illustrate the times shows how the times have changed. The father asked him if he thought the whole situation was moving too quickly and I thought that that was a strong point in their conversation. This was because the two of them only knew each other for ten days. Although the black man agreed, he didn’t care that much regarding the speed of the situation because he knows morally what was supposed to be right in society at the time. Overall, this scene might not be the funniest or full of content scene, but it was one the more powerful ones of the whole movie. -CUBSFAN012
ReplyDeleteAgreed! Though, yes, I agree it wasn’t one of the prominent or exciting scenes, it definitely was one of the more important ones. It addresses racial discrimination and a bunch of other issues, and I think Mr. Prentice and Mr. Drayton were able to bond a bit more during this scene and throughout this conversation. It also shows that Mr. Prentice is respectful of Mr. Drayton, but also has his own personal views and has no problem expressing them to a person of a different color, and in that time (though incorrect) “better” than him. I also agree that that was a good point made! The men were able to relate regarding the hasty resolution to marry in such little time. Agreed, very powerful indeed!
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This clip clearly depicts the “old vs. young” concept. But, in my own personal view, I really enjoyed watching this. Not only does it show where people were regarding age and their view of the world, I love how Mr. Prentice was very respectful of Mr. Drayton’s opinions and valued his viewpoints. I also really like that in this clip it shows that Mr. Drayton was more concerned about the future of not only the couple and his daughter more especially, but his grandchildren. I think deep down that’s what his main concern is and what prevents him from being so on board with the marriage. He doesn’t really mind that Mr. Prentice is African-American. He knows, and even acknowledges and admits, that Mr. Prentice is a good, accomplished man. And he continues to receive supporting evidence of this throughout the film and from other people. Like he pointed out in his final speech/address to both families, he knows what it’s like to be deeply in love and long for a significant other. He has the memories fresh in his mind, and he could never forget. Thus, he’s understanding and able to sympathize with his daughter and Mr. Prentice. But, I think he’s too caring and a little hesitant to okay so drastic a change, also keeping in mind that he’d only a day to make a decision. His devotion and immense love and affection for his daughter also helped push him to eventually approve the marriage, in addition to his already liberal views and consistent “nagging” of his close friend and wife. Though I also think in the midst of his stress and anger, he was unable to water it down and think of the main reason why he was so hesitant. Overall, he has a great character arch, and I never thought for a moment that he was mean or a bad person. Really enjoyed this!
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In this scene specifically, I saw how the age differences disappeared and almost vanished between Mr. Drayton and Dr. Prentice. It is either because they are sharing the same feelings about the marriage, or it is because there is something going on that might most of the population in that society will not accept it. It was obvious that interracial marriage was uncommon at that time. However, I could feel that Mr. Drayton was not concerned about the marriage itself, but he was thinking about the children who will be born in that society that accept the differences but not dealing with it. We at some point in our lives take some life decisions under certain circumstances, and we don’t see the consequences of that. So, that’s why I think this scene was made to remind the couples that there will be issues that they will face, and they might not be able to deal with it. however, those differences make it very difficult for the parents to see their kids do new things, like getting married to someone who is completely different than them. And at the same time, it shows that the new generation is quickly deal with that stuff and see it as a common because in marriage what matters is understanding each other, the color and the race will never affect the relationship because what we care about those commitments is what are capable to provide and face the struggles. It is an amazing movie, but still, it didn’t solve the problems but at least it showed that those issues were already there, and no one was their fault. However, as one we all should accept each other no matter the situation. I wish to see more acceptance of people who share different religions and see it as a black and white issue! POINTOFVIEW012
ReplyDeleteThis scene really set the tone for the entire movie, for me at least. I knew that Mr. Drayton would either be a complete racist or a very progressive and understanding individual. It turns out that he is in fact very progressive, publishing new and innovative ideas in his newspaper among other things. One's first assumption of any African-American male in the time and setting of the movie would definitely NOT be a doctor, especially not a doctor with the accreditation that Dr. Prentice had earned. One would understandably assume something a little lower in status, even with his professional appearance. The sociological truth is that Dr. Prentice is an anomaly; a HUGE anomaly for the time. Not only did he defy nearly all societal norms at the time, he blatantly disregarded them. Like Dr. Prentice says at the end of the movie, "You see me as a black man, I see myself as a man." Mr. Drayton definitely understands the implications of Dr. Prentice's position, which is why I believe he doesn't shoot down the marriage idea immediately. Instead, Mr. Drayton is focused on the next generation, what Dr. Prentice and Joey's kids would be like, and what they would go through. In this sense, Mr. Drayton refuses societal norms, as he is much more concerned with his daughter's reputation and her children's reputations than his own. The repercussions for his reputation would have been massive, though he does not seem like the type of guys to truly care that much about the statutes of society at the time. -CSP012
ReplyDeleteThis was a really good explination on how big of an anomaly Dr. Prentice is. He really does defy all the labels that people would put on him at this time in America. I think that it is absolutely amazing for a person to essentially be everything they aren't supposed to be. Dr. Prentice isn't just a good doctor he's a marvelous doctor with pages and pages of accreditation. I also really agree with the quote. "you see me as a black man, I see myself as a man." It really ties the whole theme of the movie into one saying and sums it up perfectly.
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This was my favorite scene of the movie because it showed the sincerity the men had for each other. They both had their initial assumptions about each other, but I like how they could set those aside and talk about this problem man to man. Mr. Dreyton assumed that Dr. Prentice had a secret past that he had to know about and he assumed it would be concerning to his daughter. Meanwhile, Dr. Prentice assumed that even though Joanna told him that her parents were liberal and would welcome him with open arms that they would judge him based on the color of his skin. Assumptions are clearly made on both sides, but this scene really shows how Mr. Dreyton digs deep to accept that this is the way he raised his daughter. He is being faced upfront with the problems he goes against politically. I’m sure it makes it even harder for Mr. Dreyton to dig deep and support his daughter because it is also all happening so fast. Even back in the 60s it was still shocking to talk to your parents about getting married 10 days after you met the guy. Sociologically speaking, commonalities between couples in this time were extremely prevalent and they still are today. Race prejudice is not something that just disappeared in 50 years. Another point I could make is that segregation was outlawed but it doesn’t mean it still doesn’t exist. A prime example of this is Tilly being the Dreyton’s maid and happening to be black. Really what I am trying to say here is that just because things like segregation and slavery have been outlawed doesn’t mean it still goes on or changes people’s opinions. People’s morals are strong, steady, and a part of who they are. No matter what the law is people will still have assumptions and opinions of all people especially those different than them.
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I totally agree with your thoughts on this scene! I really liked how it depicted both the sincerity and love that the father and son shared, and also how it showed where they differed in their thinking and opinions on respect, owing, and what is acceptable behavior. The final few moments of the scene showed the two of them reconciling their brief argument by recognizing that they were father and son, and would always love each other despite disagreements such as this one. It was a very well shot scene with a lot to learn about interaction, and a beautiful message as well!
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I apologize, I posted the wrong response here, it was typed for the other post in my word document. I do however, agree with what you have to say here. This scene had a lot to say about the assumptions that they initially had about each other. I really appreciate how in this brief scene, they are able to recognize the assumptions that both had, and that in having those assumptions, it made them less open to one another. The conversation in this scene shows why it is so beneficial to lay assumptions aside when going into a relationship or interaction with someone. It simplifies the interaction, and ensures that people don’t have preconceived notions about each other that only hinder the growth of a healthy relationship.
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This was a really great scene from the movie, and it gave a snapshot of what the times were like. The point that was trying to be made was that people should be able to be whatever they want to be. When he says at the beginning “I don’t guess you want to be dogcatcher any more than he wants to be mayor of San Fransisco,” it implies that we are conditioned to “want” or “desire” to participate in things that fit with our racial scripts (if you will), and go along with societies’ norms for activities, behaviors, and pursuits. This mindset causes people to choose things not based on their true desires, but based on what they have been conditioned and “socialized” to desire.
ReplyDeleteHe also brings up a valid point with the children that the couple would potentially have as a result of the marriage. The idea and concern he introduces is that of “social lag.” By the time the couple has children and they begin to integrate into society through schooling, church, friends, etc… the amount of acceptance for biracial children can’t be known. There is a large possibility that the older generations that interact with the children are not as comfortable with the idea of a biracial couple with mixed children. This is social lag. Social lag is defined as: “the notion that culture takes time to catch up with technological (or sociological) innovations.” It is hard for the new father and mother to gauge what the attitudes of the people that interact with their children will be, but it is a risk that they must take going forward with their marriage. The fact that Joey’s father himself was uncomfortable with the idea also is an indication of a social lag, but on a much smaller scale. He was not opposed outright to the marriage, but was just unfamiliar, and not ready for it to take place with his daughter on such short notice.
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Great blog. I really do agree with you on many different levels. The social lag is perhaps the most concerning of the topics discussed. I too, found it very interesting as the two men began to discuss the idea of children within this marriage and what they would experience while being part of a mixed and biracial marriage. How would the world around them accept them? What would it be like for them to attend school and find a place in a social circle? At the time it was really quite hard ton know what to expect in this circumstance. Since then, I feel that the social lag on this subject has changed considerably. There may still be some differences of opinion. However I think it is wonderful the amount of biracial couples and families this country and in this world. It is really quite beautiful. -THEARSONIST012
DeleteI agree with your statement about this being a very good scene from the movie. I think that some people desire and want things that are out of their "racial script," but I agree that others do not explore and look outside of it as well. I think that everyone should pick to do what they want and desire to do. When Tilly found out John was a doctor she seemed even more mad than she was before. I think this is because she wanted to believe that he was not the right man and was not good enough for Joanna but did not. Good blog!
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This scene was very odd for me to watch. Growing up I lived with my three half black cousins, and two half Korean cousins, and nobody ever made anything of it. I do understand that some people still look at interracial marriages and their children and think it is odd on a conceptual level, but it is very strange to see people thinking it an oddity. In my homes it was the norm for people of different races to be together, so to me this is like looking at some sort of alien world where the rules are completely different. I am glad that things are different now, while it is still not perfectly normal to see interracial marriage, it is much more reasonable to get into an interracial relationship now. All of that said, I do think that the two main characters of the movie were being very irresponsible. They had only just met each other, and while it shouldn't be the parent's choice at all, I think that the main characters shouldn't have expected a blessing. I kind of think that they were partially using the interracial card to divert attention away from the topic of how long they had known each other.
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I truly think that this is a pivotal and weighted scene within this movie. It is crucially important that these two men, the father of Johanna, and the the man that she loves. I found it almost rather heartwarming that both Johanna’s father, Mr. Drayton, and John were able to have this deep and important conversation. Often these days I find that men, young and old, really struggle to have crucial conversations with their fathers. Sons may make choices on their own and choose to disregard the thoughts and concerns that their fathers have. Also, to take it even a step further, most men and young men to be very precise, would not be able to have such an important conversation with their father in law’s (or in this case, the soon to be father and son in law John and Mr. Drayton). I think it was very admirable for John to take the risky step and say that he would indeed not marry Johanna without her father's complete consent. This must have been huge for John. Imagine falling in love with a beautiful woman and then knowing that you may not be able to marry her or really have any sort of future with her. John seemed to view this as possibly something that could happen. However he appeared very confident and calm about the situation as he walked into Mr. Drayton’s office and declared his plan and feelings about the situation. Again, I think it is very interesting to look at the social lag and the differences of acceptance in a world that seems so very long ago. However, it really hasn’t been since this was the norm in America and across the globe. I also want to reiterate how wonderful and important is for us to have crucial conversations. It is most important that we continue to cultivate this art as the coming world of media seems to be bombarding our society. -THEARSONIST012
ReplyDeleteI really like the take that you took in describing this scene in the film. I watched this from more of a view as to looking at it in a negative light because of Joe’s father’s slight displeasure. IN putting it in terms of the two of them sitting down like a father and a son having a conversation, it makes it much easier to see if from the father’s point of view. He was genuinely concerned about the well being of both of them. This was a crucial scene in the movie because, as is true in life, it portrayed the nerve-wracking scene of a man meeting his future father in law. “Patriots012”
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ReplyDeleteI liked this one a lot because it can also relate to things today. In the video Joanna's father is worried because of the worlds standards. The children john and Joanna would have would be mixed and the father is worried about what others might think and the kind of problems the family would also have. Joanna doesn't have any problems with how their family could end up being judged by others. Neither does john but he understands the problems and consequences that could come with it. Back then there we many of thing you couldn't do or be because of your race. Interracial couples is one of them. According to the social standards back then only black men could marry black women and white men could only marry white women. Joanna and john are going to be committing deviance because they are going against social standards. They are stepping outside of their roles that society gives to them. The whole situation was frustrating for everyone because Joanna thought her parents were going to be excepting of them getting married. They weren't at first because they were set on the social standards and it not being ok for a black man to be married to a white women. Seeing them both being confident in their marriage scared matt. He was more worried about what the world would think of their marriage then they were. He was also confused when him and john were talking about the future for their children because Joanna was so optimistic and thought they could be successful and be the president of the united states. We see a lot of this today too when it comes to women. There are a lot of stereotypes set for women. for example, when people say that women have to be stay at homes moms and men are the ones to be working. The same thing goes for people of different races.-ILIKETURTLES012
ReplyDeleteI absolutely loved this movie, and there are definitely many scenes from this film that could be picked out and pulled apart sociologically. As far as this scene goes, we are given a glimpse of the first time that Doc and Joe’s father really sit down and truly talk. One very clear idea presented in this clip was the generation gap between the old and the young. Although Joe’s father would be considered very liberal for his age, it was clear that he still had some reservations when taking the marriage into consideration. Although he did his best in the beginning of this film to be supportive because he knew that Joe was just living out his values, he could not help but let show his implicit bias. Although he trained his mind that African Americans were equal to whites in every way, it was clear that the culture around him, and possibly his upbringing, still influenced him. He thought much more about the repercussions than Doc did, and especially more about them than his daughter did. This can be true even today with the older and younger generations because things are going to continually change. Culture never really lays stagnant, and it seems that with each generation a new set of issues develops, which means a new set of actions must be taken to address them. To the elder generation, this new way of thinking is completely foreign, and change is often hard to accept. This movie did have a lot of hope in it though because these issues were able to be addressed in a way in which at the end of the film all of the parties involved were, although put in their place and called out, respected. It went from an old versus young mentality to everyone hearing out each other’s opinions. “Patriots012”
ReplyDeleteI really enjoyed this scene. I think that Joanna's father is too worried about the social appearance that his daughter and john will make and the problems their children may have, because hopefully other people are going to be breaking the norm of same race marriage as well. I really enjoyed watching this movie because it basically sums up the term sociology. It talks about norms and cultrual differences. You see things like ageism, racism, social stratification, patriarchy, etc. in this movie. They portrayed how life was back in the sixty's for people and they did this well. Sometimes is hard to visualize that the country was actually like that. It is hard to believe that people were so judgemental about those marrying and having children outside their race because no one thinks anything of it now. I look at people and do not think a thing other than what a cute couple and cute kids. Joanna's dad was thinking more into the future than what John and Joanna did. Joanna seemed to be rushing things and wanting to move very fast and at some parts I was a little worried that John was not all in and wanting to move this fast by his behavior. I then realized that John was more predictable and more patient. He wanted to do things right and talk to Joanna's parents and his parents at the right time. He was hesitant talking to his own parents for sure, because of the shock it would bring them, but Joanna did not see it that way. She did not see anyting wrong with marrying a black man just as we do not see anything wrong with it now. She did not think about the future repercussions that her family may have because of this. Tilly definitely was not on board because she thought that John was marrying her for the wrong reasons.
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The scene does a great job demonstrating the ways in which society changes by generation. If it weren't for the younger generations of the world, change would seldom ever happen. Old people are stuck in their ways most of the time. They have seen the world unfold around them and once they get to a certain age (it is different for everyone) thats how they view the world in general. The cool part about this scene is that John bridges the gap between the old and the young. He is 14 years older than Joanna, but certainly decades younger than Matt Drayton. He has grown up seeing segregation as an adult, and this realism is shown in the scene. He says things are changing, which is true, but he also acknowledges the problems his children might have. He is not a naive person like Joey, but he still accepts that things will change for the better in his society. I do believe that Matt Drayton was a little bit too concerned with societies opinion. He simply just does not get that his opinions are old and outdated. His prior prejudices, which he claims to not have and taught Joanna not to have, come out when he is confronted with the reality of his daughter actually going through with what they taught her.
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