In British policing citizens were expected to keep order in London. The citizens were responsible for making sure there was no crime being committed in and if there was they had to catch the criminals there self. Each free citizen took turns in serving as a officer for a year. There was no uniform but they carried a staff. As population grew so did the crime which required more policing. In 1663 the city of London begin to pay citizens to watch the streets at nights. The guards nicknames became known as charlies. They carried a staff and a lantern which was there only form of self defense. Riverside had the most populated slums, in order to keep the slums free from crime there were officers to guard the river in boats. Sir Robert Peel believed in crime prevention rather than relying on punishment. In 1829 legislation was passed by parliament that established the metropolitan police in London. There nicknames became Peelers and Bobbies. To become a Bobbie you needed to be thirty five years old, be in good health, be strong, and be five feet seven inches tall. The police force was a success but it took time for the people to except them. The citizens caused many brutal attacks on police officers. The officers would spend six to seven hours each shift which included mornings, evening, and nights. They would work seven days a week with no rest but many men became too ill to work even though police officers had top put out fires, arrest criminals, and many other jobs they were not detectives. By 1887 the Glasgow detective department was established they were ordered to wear regular clothes. Sir Henry develop the fingerprint section. Which exceeded seventy thousand fingerprints in the system. Batman.002
If you were a police officer in today's society, would you feel comfortable walking around the streets with little to no protection? I would assume no. But could you imagine yourself as a police officer in those times walking the streets daily for 10-12 hours a day? Could you image being a latent print officer, who would have to get the ink ready, and roll the ink on the offenders’ hands? Now a days it’s so much simpler. Less ink smudges, and less of a mess. What was the biggest take away you learned from watching this video? Illinigurl002
Batman002- I really like what you have to say. After they had made these changes they were able to keep more order in London. In today’s time, some of the same requirements still stand today as basis on hiring potential candidates. They had some of the same issues with the public respecting the police as so do we have now. Most departments work 8 hours with 3 different shifts so they took the same concept from the London PD. With detectives being able to wear regular clothes detectives were able to ask questions without being detected by the citizens they were being questioned. What was your biggest takeaway -chicubs002
Law Enforcement has come a long way from the beginning. At the beginning of time, people would have to volunteer instead of being paid and the police officers did not have uniforms. As time had progressed, the officers would be paid, and have proper uniforms. However; officers were armed, but they were not armed with a gun. The very first police officers were known as the “Praetorian Guard”. The Praetorian Guards were supposed to serve and protect the palace and the emperor. The Vigiles started off as firefighter, but eventually achieved law enforcement status patrolling Rome’s streets day and night. Many people had left the farming communities for bigger cities, because the jobs paid more. The areas that were left behind, were full of crime, and poor living conditions. The biggest area of crime was around the water ways. This is high in crime, because that’s were all the cargo came in as the dock workers would load and unload the cargo. Ganges and river side workers were response for most of the crimes. Since there was so much crime by the river, the River Marine Force in 1839. When rioting would occur, they would call in more people to help out and protect the city. At the beginning of time, women were not allowed to be police officers. Women were allowed to be police officers around 1944. But they were not apart of the police department. They were allowed to walk the streets; however, they were not allowed to be armed. As time evolved women had more opportunities to compete with men as police officers. There was more of a need for police officers in the 1950s. In 1956 the International Association of Women Police was formed, which allowed women to advance in the police world. It was also neat to see how the police car evolved over time. At the beginning, all police officers had to walk, and they walked around 20 miles a day. Then they had horses, which helped the officers arrive quicker to the crime scenes. Finally, they introduced police cars. The cars were so much quicker and efficient. Even having phones and radios helped the police respond ten times faster. As you can see, law enforcement has grown and changed over the past decades. It definitely has changed for the better. The officers are able to respond quicker to the threats that are being made because of technology and because of the newer transportation (police cars). Illinigurl002
I feel there was a lack in the structure of policing when it was first implemented. To have only one citizen who was "forced" to police at the threat of being fined was not the way to go. I understand this was done in small areas but imagine if this was still being done in policing today. The crime rate would be out of this world. So yes, things have changed for the better and technology has helped with this advancement. It also helps that we have more females getting involved. I feel there is a compassion and calmness that females have that is useful when dealing with certain incidents. Sort of like having a good bedside manner as a physician. It is needed. Jadist002
t is interesting to see the uniforms and their helmets. It is different to hear police Constable instead of police officer. Citizens would pay other citizens to take care of their security for their businesses just like in today’s society. Charlie’s are just like our officers. The amount of gear between what they had and what officers in today’s society carry is amazingly different. They had bad crime where all the nice cargo where and we still have that type of crime in today’s society. British came up with the first marine police force in 1798. They did not like a uniformed police force and people rallied against the police. These types of officers would use an alarm to call for help because they didn’t have radio’s. New officers cannot be over 35, have to be in good shape and have to Atleast be 5’7’’ and a half. The British police was a success but it took a while for the public to see it. An act in 1872 established the first professional police department. A constable would work 6,7 or 8 hours shifts. Constables would work 7 days a week allowing no days of rest. They also were assigned area’s to patrol just like in today’s society, 95% of departments have districts assigned. A big deal to the police was dealing with public drunkenness and constables being drunk on duty also. The uniforms back then were a lot different than any in the US. In the 1887, the Glasgo detective were considered the best. They had to do fingerprints by hands. Most officers had to walk but by the end of the 1800’s they had horse drawn vans. The horse drawn vans would haul criminals that were arrested off to jail. Phones were placed around the cities in order for officers to communicate with other officers more efficiently. By the 1900’s, department would make training mandatory as part of making sure their officers were in the best shape and know what to do in case they had to do it. It was expected that departments would train their officers but they had no record of much training. In 1899, the first training school was open in London. This housed all the different parts of police work from patrol to detectives. This time also started the females rebelling and causing protests. The protest caused bomb attacks against the city. This type of police department was adopted by the western counties as a way to run a police department. -002
I liked how you pointed how the uniform and safety gear is waaaaaay different from back then to now. Officers was more likely to get really hurt during those times than they are now. From them having helmets on a day to day bases but not bulletproof vest. Your more likely to get shot where the vets protects you than in your head NOT saying it’s not possible but a helmet is a very useful equipment as a police officer.-KenzieLand002
The evolution of policing has changed drastically. This needed change has helped police obtain the structure that is needed for effective policing. In the beginning, basic citizens or as they were called "Keepers of the Peace" were responsible for policing the community. This responsibility was an unpaid yearlong requirement that they were forced to add into their normal daily schedule, which was difficult to do with the daily time constraints. Failure to properly police would result in the Keepers being fined. With the growth in the population and crime more policing was required. With this added policing the tools or duty equipment progressed. The now "Charlies" used lanterns, rattles, and a staff as tools for self-defense. All patrol was done on foot and as time went on this proved to be difficult with the long distance and amount of time the officers were on foot. With the large population that we have today, I think we would be worse off if officers were still required to patrol on foot. As time went on and more tools and skills were implemented such as call boxes, vehicles and training this helped with officers addressing crime in a more timely and efficient manner. With the appointment of Sir Robert Peel the more structured form of policing evolved. His focus was more along the lines of crime prevention over punishment. This focus has carried over into a lot of the areas of policing that we have today. With patrol cars, police dogs, and updated technology such as live scan (fingerprint analysis machine) we are able to not only prevent crime but solve more crimes. It is also beneficial that women are allowed to become police officers. Female officers tend to have a more calm and compassionate demeanor that is useful when dealing with an emotional victim or erratic suspect. Jadist002
I like that you talked about the fact that female officers have a calming effect on emotional victims or erratic suspects. This is so important because some people believe that women shouldn't be on the field but they are an essential part to policing. All people should have an equal opportunity. There is a thing in policing called Warrior vs. Guardian and woman are mainly known to be the guardian or protector whereas men are more known as the warriors which they are more prone to take down or try to defeat the suspect. Sometimes one is needed more than the other but they both have their downfalls and sometimes it is unclear on which one you should be. Ark002
I also like how you brought up the fact of female officers having a somewhat calming effect on victims and even criminals/suspects. I think women have a incredibly important job on the street policing. I think they can be more level headed in a heated moment than possibly a man could in a similar situation. I think thats important to have especially if you are facing a crucial situation. -CUBSFAN002
This video talked about a lot of what we discussed in class, such as Sir Robert Peel, it stated in the video that he believed in preventing crime rather than relying on punishment as a deterrent to crime, this is still a crucial part in law enforcement today. A few things I didn't know is that in 1878 the detective department was renamed to Criminal Investigation Department or also called CID for short, this to me sounds more official. Also that in 1937 the 999 emergency system was introduced in london, this was set in place to ensure that police time wasn’t wasted, and so that their response time was quicker. The 999 system helped because the quicker someone was able to get to an incident helped solve and stop more crime from happening. The 999 system was so important because it helped officers do their jobs more efficiently and kept more people safe which is the first and most important priority. Something that we learned in class is that police should not be judged on anything other than if they keep their people safe from crime or help stop crime, this was also stated in the video saying “ the efficiency of motor patrol will not be judged by the number of convictions” but by the effectiveness of the manner in which they carry out their duties. I liked this because some people judge police unfairly sometimes and they should judge them by if they feel safe or if they keep your area safe. If law enforcement wasn’t as advanced as it is today I believe that our society would be ruled by those who are corrupted. Overall, this whole video was very informative and took us on a journey through law enforcement, I learned so many new things and I believe that I will benefit from this knowledge when I am in the force. Ark002
I've always wondered about the efficacy of judging police off of the more intangible standards like "the effectiveness of their duty". These are standards that are contingent on opinion, as opposed to empirical verification, and I am very leery of them. They are very old standards, I grant, but tradition, while a strong guide, is not by any means inerrant. The Kansas City preventative patrol experiment sticks in my mind as an example of how policing may have less effect in the preventative than in the curative stage. I fully admit that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, but what is prevention? That, I think, is one of the key issues that will police forces will face in the future, and I suspect that the answers will be either counterintuitive or unpalatable, or both. - Arsenal 002
As we have seen from the video, sir Robert peel is generally credited with establishing the first English police department, the London metropolitan police in 1829. Early 19th century some groups of ma-chants traders and other employed private individuals to protect their property and their persons. protection thus became a commodity available to everyone who had sufficient resources. In addition, victims of theft who could not recover their property offered rewards for its return, often resorting to hiring thief-takers. These precursors to modern bounty hunters were private citizens who for fee or a reward, attempted to identify wrongdoers and to return stolen property to its right owners. in early 14th century with the rise of powerful centralized government and decline of regional ones, we see the beginning of more formal system of criminal justice with separation of powers and a hierarchical system of authority.Also as we saw from the video there was more improvement in police departments to make the community safer, most of this improvement was implementing the police uniforms, means of communication, weapons, and transportation when they look for thief's and murderers. As the cities kept on growing, more policemen were hired and their main jobs of the new police were suppressing mob disorder, winning support from pressing the public and developing a disciplined force. GUSII 002
From watching the video up until 1822 when Sir Robert Peel became home secretary. The citizens were mainly in charge of the policing and control of keeping the peace. If it wasn’t for the Peter-loo massacre in 1819 the acceleration of the policing reform could have possibly taken much longer. Given the recruits that had come in they were given the rank of constable. Making them rank up only if earned. It did take the citizens some time to get used to. When the government changed how Burroughs and townships were policed it did make it easier for the Victorian era police. I did like however that the locals were given a chance to apply for a government grant to help start their local police force. The constables had a lot to deal with on their plates when covering many types of crimes. From public drunkenness to a major crime. By the end of the 18th century the Scotland yard held the national collection of 70,000 fingerprints and when reported in 1904 it recorded being the biggest tool to help investigations including Jack the Ripper case. The fingerprinting tool is still one the biggest tools used today. From the last century the local police were to train their own recruits however it looked as if no training was given. 1907 the peel house training facility was given to recruits for all around policing knowledge. The famous Sydney street siege of 1911 became an iconic gun battle with over 1000-armed troops and police officers. The anarchists were unscathed until the house caught fire which home secretary Sir Winston Churchill had told fire fighters not to intervene. WWI also helped shape modern policing due to anti-German riots and police officers had to man anti-Zeppelin weapons. Mr.Wadewilson002
I like how you talked about how the officers were originally citizens i think it's important to talk about this part because it shows how police came about. It's also important to focus on how hard it was back then with the weapons, pay and how the were perceived by the public. Things were so different from now and it is hard to think that at one point in time there wasn't any officers. I also like how you covered how much they had to do, it is so hard to think that someone could work seven days a week and go through everything from fires to murders. I do feel like you should have talked about the women more in this it was a very key element in policing and a overall big accomplishment. Overall this was a good response to the video its clear that you gathered the key concepts of the video.-pizza002
The citizens were responsible to stop crime or they would be fined , and then they forced one citizen to be the constable for a year and it was an unpaid position. They had no uniform also it was not a popular position. When population grew they had a raise in crime. This caused owners of well of shops to pay people to guard their shop. This then made london start to pay citizens to watch the streets and stop crime in 1663. There was a growing unemployment rate that caused people to flood to towns called slums which were a vast growing of crimes. They didn't have any other protection like welfare, this caused for more officers and it grew to be a respected position. A Lot of people at first didn't like the idea of uniformed officers cause it takes away a lot of freedom however that changed when riots broke out, called in army was sent in. Crime prevention not just punishment, metropolitan police in london. To be a bobbie had to 35, five feet and seven inches tall, they had to have good temper. Then it goes on to talk about how much they would work seven days a week no rest, this means that a lot police got really ill and couldn't work as well. The low pay drew in a certain unskilled person. Really had to handing all crime including fires. It's clear this was a very hard time and seems almost impossible to handle all of that everyday. They had to walk until they had horse drawn vans which came along at the end of 1800’s. Then came bicycles, then 1910 wireless radio was used. In 1923 women were sworn in as constables and could arrest. Police pay was still awful and then they tried for union but got promised better pay.This video had alot of great information. -pizza002
This video was a nice summary of a lot of information we talked about in class. The video talks about Sir Robert Peel and how he believed in preventing crime rather than relying on punishment as a deterrent to crime. This used in law enforcement today. The video states that in 1878 the detective department was renamed to Criminal Investigation Department. It goes on to talk about that in 1937 the 999 emergency system was introduced in London. This was set in place to ensure that police time wasn’t wasted, and so that their response time was much quicker than before. The 999 system helped because the quicker someone was able to get to an incident helped improve and sometimes solve more crimes. The video also described the thief-takers, which today we would associate them with being a modern day bounty hunter. These precursors to modern bounty hunters were private citizens who for fee/ reward, attempted to identify wrongdoers and to return stolen property to its rightful owners. The video went on to talk about how in the early 14th century with the rise of a powerful centralized government and decline of regional ones, we begin to see the beginning of a formal system of criminal justice. We also get to see that there was more improvement in police departments such as implementing the police uniforms, means of communication, weapons, and transportation when they went out looking for criminals and suspects. As time went on the police force grew and were able to win the trust of the public and become a force that could be depended upon if any problems arose. -CUBSFAN002
I agree that this video was a nice summary of what we talked about in class Thursday, but in a way it is an extended version with more in-depth information. For example, how back a thousand years ago how people in a village were responsible for keeping the peace and catching criminals themselves. And if they did not they had to pay a fine. Also how over time any free citizen had to serve as a constable for a year, were not paid, and they also had to do their original work. It was interesting to see how the police force has evolved over time. –Adventureflight002
This video was very interesting. The video was interesting in the sense that it was full of information about the history of policing and how it has evolved over time. As I watched the video I noticed some similarities and differences between past policing and policing in the present. For example, over 1000 years ago Anglo-Saxon kings expected the people to keep good order and keep the peace. The citizens were responsible for catching criminal(s) and if they did not they would have to pay a fine. By the 1600s the city employed street watchmen at night called Charlie’s. They did not have much to protect themselves. All they had was a bell, a weapon, and a scarf; which is not much to defend one’s self with. This job was mainly attractive to the old and weak. Also they still had to do their full time day job, so they would get little to no sleep. By the 1700s people realized that there needed to be a more permanent position. At first there were only 6 people. They would serve more than a year and were paid. Near the end of the 1700s, a marine police force was formed. When it was first formed there were about 60 or so officers and they would be in rowing boats. Later, it would be the largest of the police forces of the time. A few years later, Robert Peele would come in and reform the police force. He believed in crime prevention rather than punishment. When the Metropolitan Police force was formed, the police had to be a certain height, a certain age, mentally healthy just to name a few. At first the public did not like the idea of a police force. They said they wanted ‘individual freedom’, but the army of the times did not know how to calmly and successfully, for example, break up riots, because they were not trained. This video was very interesting and I learned a lot about the history of policing. –Adventureflight002
I agree with you, I definitely think that the legal system back in the day has similarities to the legal system we have today. Not only do authorities expect us to keep the peace and listen to orders but we expect it from others as well. So when we see someone who is not following the rules we will catch ourselves watching them or looking at them because they look silly or out of the norm.Today, the police authorities will sometimes offer a reward for information to a lead on a criminal case or even if you know where someone is at. This was also accurate back then, you could receive an award if you helped find a criminal. #notaplumber002
I also thought this video was very interesting as well. I found it very cool to see what methods, and tendencies that police departments used then, and still use now, and too see what methods we that we do not use anymore. I thought it was very interesting how back in the day, citizens were responsible for catching criminals, and getting back their stolen property. I also found it very interesting, with how the video showed police departments evolving overtime, it was a very cool perspective, to see how they have evolved. It was also very interesting to see that the public at first strongly opposed a police force, and now we greatly appreciate them. I-Like-Cereal002
Policing was first developed in Britain. Before there was a definite legal system, citizens were in charge for capturing the criminals and taking care of them themselves. There were no authorities to turn them over too. If they didn’t catch the criminal or offender then the citizen could receive a fine. They had a policy called, “keeping the peace” where citizens were expected to just keep peace and not cause any problems. In 1663, the city of London paid people called watchmen to watch over the city during the night. The watchmen didn’t carry very violent weapons to ensure safety. In 1784, they decided that having just watchmen wasn’t cutting it, and that they needed a more secure, safe, and reliable police force to make sure the population was safe all the time not just only at night. They didn’t have a specific uniform but were required full-time and got paid salary. Birmingham and Manchester were gradually growing larger and larger because several people were looking for jobs and needed pay. Along with more people, came more crime. Because of all the people moving to one specific area, soon there were not enough jobs to please everyone’s needs. Many people were homeless which lead to crime. People were stealing because they had nothing to eat or to keep them warm. And if someone stole from them they would go after that person because they took everything the homeless had. A prime spot for stealing was the merchant's ship. There were constantly new boats coming to the docks with new merchandise to be sold. They were always being loaded and unloaded, and therefore and big opportunities for products to always be stolen. This lead to organized gangs helping one another to steal stuff. I believe that the more structured legal system today has gotten better from when it first was created. Even though there are many people that don’t agree with it. It is better than when it was first developed by watchmen. #notaplumber002
I agree that the police system in the united states has come a long way from when it first started. At first we only had watchmen, who weren’t even police but rather a desperate attempt by citizens to control crime in their area. Now we have organized police stations with intense physical and mental training required. Police are monitored a lot more then they were back in these times, and there are a lot more rules about what police can and can not do. I think that for society to really see the progress that we have made, they need to look at what policing used to look like. Celtics002
It is crazy to think that Citizens were the ones in charge of “keeping the Peace” and if you did not catch the criminal you could be fined for it. I guess that would be a good way to get your citizens involved in keeping the peace. Also each citizen had to take the mantel as constable for a year, I could only imagine the pressure that was on you to keep everyone happy. It is not surprising that in 1663 the first police watchmen were being paid to keep the peace. I could imagine people were getting upset that they were being fined for not “keeping the peace.” -ClarkKent002
Back when the police force was first starting out, it was very interesting to see the certain characteristics an individual needed to become a law enforcement officer, or a so called bobby. I think it's very interesting that they had to be a certain height in order to be a police officer. The police force was a shock to the public, when it first started. But they were still successful even though the public opposed them. Eventually the public had to accept the police force, and get used to them police force sticking around for good. It's very interesting that London started the very first official police department, and other big cities followed, and began to make their own active police force. It's crazy to think that when the police department first started people opposed of it so much they were attacking uniformed officers, and trying to get them to go away. It's very cool that we gave women opportunities in the police force, and it's very interesting that some police departments didn't let the women officers wear a certain uniform until the 70s, and didn't get to wear the hardhats until the 80s. Times were much different in policing back then and this video does a very good job showing how they were different. In the 1980s it seemed that there was so much civil unrest, between the police and the public. The video says that in that time period, it was one of the worst times between people, and police. If feel in today's age, there is also a ton of civil unrest between the police departments, and citizens. The stop and search method back then was not right in my opinion. That method was solely used to show force, and power and to let the people know who was in control. I-Like-Cereal002
It's amazing to me how much has changed in policing and yet somehow many things manage to stay the same. In regards to your comment about how the 80's was one of the worst periods of time between the police and public...I was actually pretty surprised to learn that. It does seem today that it's worse but I believe that's because we have such easy access to so much information and people are quick to spread bad news much faster than we are to spread good news. I feel like if more people understood how much better off we are now than we were then things might start getting better even faster. Though that is not to say there isn't many problems that persist today I think it's important that we all work together (the community and police force) to continue to better ourselves and not try and shift the blame all one way or the other. Avatar002
This video gave me even more information about how policing has changed throughout the years in the United States. One of the big names in this video is Sir Robert Peel. In 1829 Sir Robert Peel established the first ever English police department called the London Metropolitan. One of the biggest problems that was ran into was thief takers. Thief takers would be hired by people who had something stolen from them, in an effort to hopefully retrieve those items. The problem with these thief takers is that they would often be in cooperation with the thieves of the town. This would give both of them money and would basically trick people into paying them for no service. Another problem is that they only really worked for the rich people, because they were able to pay the most. The police needed a solution that made it possible for all members of a community to be equally represented. A solution to this problem was detectives, because detectives worked on a salary paid by the police. This way they were a trusted person to deal with only the most serious crimes, and they would work for either the rich or the poor. The police were later helped with inventions such as photography, and walkie talkies. Photography was a big one because they could not only identify criminals better, but the police could post wanted posters throughout the town which would greatly decrease the amount of crime from the suspects. Police soon got patrol cars, which helped them catch more criminals. Inventions such as walkie talkies and telephones helped the police as well. They could not only be easily reached, but could communicate between each other better. This led to more criminals being caught and less crime overall because the police had all of this new equipment. Celtics002
I really like what was said here especiallh the comment about the thief takers. The thief takers, i feel were just people trying to get money in any way possible at the time. You also mentioned the photography and walky talkie those were the thing that helped them out because back then technology wasnt a big thing they didnt have all of this great technology we have in the world today, the walkie talkie was most likely the ony way the cops reach out to rachother during a crime. Bball002
It is crazy to think that when the towns were smaller in England it was the citizens duty to keep the peace. You were also expected to take your turn as a constable and keep watch over your town for a year. But when the cities grew rapidly it became harder to police and some of the more wealthier people would pay someone else to take their place. England stated to pay people to police the area, this attracted older weak men but they were the best fit. Jumping up to 1907 this was the first time that the Police had to have formal training in all the areas of police work. In just 27 years a college would be open to deal with all aspects of police training from new recruits to officers wanting to specialize in something. In 1970 saw an integration of women and men in the police force. Even before this women showed great bravery being decoys and One constable Margret Cleland stood on a roof top for over an hour talking to a man threating to jump off the building with his child in his arms. The use of helicopters in the 1960s saw a new way to police an area. In 1963 a helicopter used a fly around a police dog in a specially designed cage. The helicopter would not even have to land for the dog to jump out and apprehend the criminal. In 1964 roadways saw the first use of helicopters patrolling the area, they can cover a large area and scan inhospitable places. Helicopters have become an essential part of policing. In the 70s, Britain saw the worst terrorist attacks it has seen yet. The police were put under intense pressure and had to show results. Another useful equipment to the British police is the use of horses. The use of horse has been around for the past century and has not lost it importance. The riders must go through an 8 week course and have continued training throughout there career with the horse that they were a suitable match with. -ClarkKent002
It’s important to understand the history and evolution of law enforcement not just in the United States but in all of western society in order to be the law enforcement officer one can be. Obviously it is not the one quality one needs to be an effective law enforcement officer but I think it’s important to understand where we came from to help understand what we are now and what we can become in the future. Back in the day before we had a formal police force it was left upon regular people to police themselves. I imagine it was difficult then as having to spend your resources defending your property instead of tending to your farm or whatever you do to make a living would have a dramatic impact on your life and to balance figuring out what happened vs just letting it go and tending to your livelihood I imagine would be difficult. But, it made sense for people to have to do that because we didn’t have large metropolitan areas like we do now and there really wouldn’t be a great method of policing people so spread out. Fast forward to the industrial revolution and we start seeing more and more cities pop up and grow and of course with more people grouped together the greater the need of a police force rises. It now made sense to have people dedicated to law enforcement. With a central law enforcement in place people were more able to go about their lives and let police handle the crime. However, law enforcement was far from perfect then and remains to be but we have made major strides in bettering ourselves. Allowing women to be police officers is probably the best thing we have done since the creation of a centralized police force. I also really liked seeing how technology evolved especially in regards to transportation. I can imagine it was a huge relief for police officers to have vehicles instead of horses or walking. Avator002
I do not think a lot of people understand the importance with knowledge and knowing the history of law enforcement and where we came from. It is also a matter of respect for the people that came before us and helped shape where we are now and why we have what we have regarding resources. Law enforcement is different in a vast amount of ways and people interested in law enforcement should be very interested in the differences and be appreciative of what we have now. Being a police officer and being respectful of your equipment and knowledge of the job stems way back. -holywaffles002
Police perations and law enforement came a very long way. From their uniforms, police cars, and the way they solve crimes and handle crminals. In England their wasn’t police officers everybody took turns making sure things wasgoing smooth in the communities and everyone pinch when it came to solving any crime. It was like voulenteer work. They were name “Keepers of the peace” The very first police officers were known as the “Praetorian Guard”. The Vigiles started off as firefighter, but eventually achieved law enforcement status patrolling Rome’s streets day and night. New officers can not be over 35 had to be in good shape and have to Atleast be 5’7’’ and a half.By the 1900’s, department would make training mandatory In 1899, the first training school was open in London.The fingerprinting tool is still one oof the biggest and helpful thing used today. A Lot of people at first didn't like the idea of uniformed officers cause it takes away a lot of freedom but they did imedently change when riots broke out. 1700s people realized that there needed to be a more permanent position. At first there were only 6 people. A couple years later Robert Peele decided to come in and reform the police force. Which wasn’t a bad idea because he was thinking of ways to prevent crime from happening than thinking of way tp tp punish people.I liked how the British came up with the horse The police having horses has been around for the past century and has not lost its purpose. The riders must go through an eight week course and have continued training throughout their career with the horse that they were originally match with. -KenzieLand002
I thought it was interesting how they came with the idea of fingerprinting. They had to go through every fingerprint that was on record in order to find anyone that already committed a crime. Also how they use animals to help solve crimes as well, like horses and dogs. The evolution of how they also would fight fires to that becoming a firefighters job now. The transition to that officers were and are now are significantly different which is good to stop crime. Which the mobility for officers after cars help cut response time because they were able to get there faster. dory002
I thought it was absolutely wild that officer's had to be a certain height and have a certain personality and look to them in order to be on the police force. Which is incredibly discriminatory, especially because it was clear females were not a part of this. To reflect on what policing was to what it is now is strange and neat all at once because of the differences. I also did not realize that the british were ultimately the first to come up with mobility of officers and the horse drawn carriages. I know also they mentioned some were volunteer police officer's and would receive nothing in return which is something majority of people would never even consider. -holywaffles002
As the transitioning of the early stages of policing to what they are now, it is amazing to see the progress it has made. The advancements in technology, science and even the idea of what policing is. In America we imitate the British Police, using a lot of their ideas and tactics to police now. The history of Western Policing is very interesting, starting with the beginning which is the Metropolitan Police. The people volunteered to become watchmen and they didn’t have uniforms like they do today. They did it to keep the peace, which was also known as having good order. It’s interesting to think that’s where it all started, where they then paid other men to start watching over growing cities. Compared to police officers today, they only had a riffle, staff, and lantern for self-defense. Later, as they continue to advance the idea of policing the Fielding Brothers made a significant change. Where we know have permanent officers and they came up the with Bow Street Runners. Which later carried to Sir Robert Peel, who is by far the most important with the evolution of policing. He was able to accomplish police reforms without frightening the people right off the bat. Above all “he believed in crime prevention, rather than punishing as a deterrent.” Which is something that is use now, when it come to rehabilitating than immediate punishment. As the video continued, it mentioned that men that were younger than 35 years of age, healthy, and at least 5’7’’. There is a big difference to what we have now, like the multiple tests that new hires have to go through and how women are now able to work as officers. Technology and Science have been a great benefit to policing, where not only do they stop crime but also solve crime. Detectives were later official, K9s were involved, transportation and communication were able to cut response time. dory002
I agree with your statement that policing has come so far since the 1800s. I like how you spoke about the advancements in our technology these days. I also like how you mentioned the age of which a police officer must be. I cannot imagine starting off as a police officer at that age. It would be a very difficult job to start up at that age. I also thought it was interesting how during the video they mentioned the height of a police officer had to be five foot seven or taller. It is crazy to think about how things have changed so much since this time period, and definitely for the better. You did a great job at posting about this video. -Anchorman002
The police established intimate relations with neighborhoods and neighborhood leaders and initially did not even wear uniforms. Middle and upper-class reformers believed that one of the primary tasks of the police was to reestablish political and social control over a population racked by ethnic and economic rivalries. The tension between being closely linked to communities and being an instrument for reforming them inevitably resulted in a struggle for political control of the police a struggle that was one of the dominant themes in the history of police in the United States.Their cultures and lifestyles initially offended the sensibilities of Americans whose families, mainly from England and The Netherlands, had settled in the country in the previous century or earlier. Indeed, the existence of large immigrant populations in the crowded cities of the East was perceived as a threat to the very fabric of American society. Eventually, the political, economic, and social dominance of Americans of English and Dutch extraction was eroded. Meanwhile, crime, rioting, and other disturbances became endemic in the cities.A Lot of individuals at first didn't care for formally dressed officers cause it removes a ton of opportunity however they did immediately change when riots broke out. 1700s individuals understood that there should have been a progressively stable situation. At first there were just 6 individuals. Two or after three years Robert Peele chose to come in and change the police constrain. Which was definitely not an awful thought since he was considering approaches to keep wrongdoing from occurring than considering ways to rebuff individuals Bball002
I think it is beyond crazy to think about how it used to be and hear how policing used to be compared to today. They said when rioting occurred, they would call in the army to handle the riots even though they had no training or understanding how to control a riot. I like how Sir Robert Peel believed in crime prevention over punishment because instead of being lazy and not proactive, he made it to where it was a proactive job. Police department's have requirements now but then they wanted you to be a certain height and strong and able to keep your temper even if provoked. Things are beyond different now and while personality with an officer is important, police department's want well rounded individuals including females and education and mentality. I think Sir Robert Peel was the turning point for law enforcement, even so long ago I think he really set the standards of policing. Police officers would walk up to 20 miles a day for their beats. To think that back then, police officers did not have anything near the equipment they have today is horrifying. Ballistic vests were not a thing, tasers were not, pepper spray was not, vehicles were not present and communication or really sufficient training. One thing that has not changed is the outlook on police officers from people. When uniformed officer's came about, people felt like it took a lot of freedom away from the public and would cause riots. People to this day are still bothered by police officer's or their looks. These officer's would walk the same beats every day and now that is one thing an officer would not even think of because of the dangers of law enforcement and the heightened alertness now with possible ambushes. You do not want to follow the same routine and it is way too dangerous to even follow close to the same routine. Unfortunately, this job has no room for error but you can tell from beginning of policing to now, there is a clear appearance of trial and error and that is how we are where we are at now. People have truly not changed. Law enforcement over the years has just become more well trained and have more equipment for protection. -holywaffles002
The history of policing is a subject I’ve covered in a few classes now, and as such, I’ve developed some fairly strong opinions on the matter, which should come as no real surprise. The early model, more primitive than anything that might realistically be called policing, requiring people to take responsibility for crimes committed in their community and apprehend the suspects, might well be called the militia system. It was for this purpose, at least partially, that free men were allowed to keep arms since time immemorial. This remains even today in the citizen’s arrest; whereby non-deputized people may make arrests for felony offenses. A police officer really only differs from the citizen in two areas: training and authorization to make arrests for misdemeanor crimes. I am of the opinion that we need more citizen involvement in policing, and that every law be subject to enforcement by all citizens or stricken from the books and forgotten. To treat the police as an entity separate from and more powerful than the citizens that they remain a part of creates a sense of ‘us versus them’ that bears itself out unpredictably and with threatening results. I’ve been to Scotland, which operates on the British style of policing, and I have this to say on their system: it manages to be at once Orwellian and slightly laughable. Their average police officer is unarmed and wanders about in a great yellow safety jacket, since it is quite rainy in many areas. The officers are friendly enough, but rather at loose ends, without much direction to them. On the other hand, cameras are omnipresent, and SWAT equivalent officers patrol their airports, armed with German-made G36K assault rifles. It was quite an impression to step out into the lobby and see pairs of them idling about, garbed in body armor, like watchful black hounds, eyeing everyone as a potential meal. Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction, but I fear that it has already died in the land that gave birth to the United States. We talk about militarized police and increased surveillance in the United States, but we haven’t gone as far as we might one day, and for that we ought to be thankful, but watchful over our liberties, that we do not fall to the level of that once free country called the United Kingdom.
In the 1800s people did not like the idea of a uniformed police force because they saw them as a threat to their freedom as an individual. Sometimes there would be uncontrollable riots that would occur. Whenever rioting would take place, the police force would call in the army to take care of the disturbance. The police force was always going to become successful. It was all in a matter of time though. Every good thing takes time and it took some time for the people to become adjusted to the new system. Before policing was finally respected, there were many riots and attack against policing. At this point in time, police figures were known as bobbies. In order to become a bobbie one would have to be at least the age of thirty-five years old. They would have to be healthy individuals and be at least five foot seven. Later on policing was taken not as serious as it was supposed to be. At one point the average police officer would be uneducated and out of shape and fat. This was a problem because a police officer needs to be fit and ready for pursuit at a moments notice. Another huge problem in the 1800s was alcohol. Police officers would often times drink on the job and when caught they would lose their jobs. As an officer, you would work decent sized shifts and oftentimes not receive the proper amount of sleep needed. At one point during this time period they came up with the system which introduced fingerprints. They would keep files upon files of fingerprints of criminals. They still use fingerprinting today. In 1903 officers were able to start driving vehicles. And soon after that, officers were also given bicycles that they could ride around. Telephones soon became useful to police men. -Anchorman002
I do agree with you that most of people did not like to see the police with uniforms and the way the started controlling people on streets. This happens even now, not all people like police but for the real point is that according with the law, police has made a great deal in controlling the citizens. Fair punishment, rather than killing or hanging from committing minor crimes. It was also important that they started being strict on police drinking on their jobs at least this makes different from being a police from any other person on street. GUSII 002
In British policing citizens were expected to keep order in London. The citizens were responsible for making sure there was no crime being committed in and if there was they had to catch the criminals there self. Each free citizen took turns in serving as a officer for a year. There was no uniform but they carried a staff. As population grew so did the crime which required more policing. In 1663 the city of London begin to pay citizens to watch the streets at nights. The guards nicknames became known as charlies. They carried a staff and a lantern which was there only form of self defense. Riverside had the most populated slums, in order to keep the slums free from crime there were officers to guard the river in boats. Sir Robert Peel believed in crime prevention rather than relying on punishment. In 1829 legislation was passed by parliament that established the metropolitan police in London. There nicknames became Peelers and Bobbies. To become a Bobbie you needed to be thirty five years old, be in good health, be strong, and be five feet seven inches tall. The police force was a success but it took time for the people to except them. The citizens caused many brutal attacks on police officers. The officers would spend six to seven hours each shift which included mornings, evening, and nights. They would work seven days a week with no rest but many men became too ill to work even though police officers had top put out fires, arrest criminals, and many other jobs they were not detectives. By 1887 the Glasgow detective department was established they were ordered to wear regular clothes. Sir Henry develop the fingerprint section. Which exceeded seventy thousand fingerprints in the system. Batman.002
ReplyDeleteIf you were a police officer in today's society, would you feel comfortable walking around the streets with little to no protection? I would assume no. But could you imagine yourself as a police officer in those times walking the streets daily for 10-12 hours a day? Could you image being a latent print officer, who would have to get the ink ready, and roll the ink on the offenders’ hands? Now a days it’s so much simpler. Less ink smudges, and less of a mess. What was the biggest take away you learned from watching this video? Illinigurl002
DeleteBatman002- I really like what you have to say. After they had made these changes they were able to keep more order in London. In today’s time, some of the same requirements still stand today as basis on hiring potential candidates. They had some of the same issues with the public respecting the police as so do we have now. Most departments work 8 hours with 3 different shifts so they took the same concept from the London PD. With detectives being able to wear regular clothes detectives were able to ask questions without being detected by the citizens they were being questioned. What was your biggest takeaway -chicubs002
DeleteLaw Enforcement has come a long way from the beginning. At the beginning of time, people would have to volunteer instead of being paid and the police officers did not have uniforms. As time had progressed, the officers would be paid, and have proper uniforms. However; officers were armed, but they were not armed with a gun. The very first police officers were known as the “Praetorian Guard”. The Praetorian Guards were supposed to serve and protect the palace and the emperor. The Vigiles started off as firefighter, but eventually achieved law enforcement status patrolling Rome’s streets day and night. Many people had left the farming communities for bigger cities, because the jobs paid more. The areas that were left behind, were full of crime, and poor living conditions. The biggest area of crime was around the water ways. This is high in crime, because that’s were all the cargo came in as the dock workers would load and unload the cargo. Ganges and river side workers were response for most of the crimes. Since there was so much crime by the river, the River Marine Force in 1839. When rioting would occur, they would call in more people to help out and protect the city. At the beginning of time, women were not allowed to be police officers. Women were allowed to be police officers around 1944. But they were not apart of the police department. They were allowed to walk the streets; however, they were not allowed to be armed. As time evolved women had more opportunities to compete with men as police officers. There was more of a need for police officers in the 1950s. In 1956 the International Association of Women Police was formed, which allowed women to advance in the police world. It was also neat to see how the police car evolved over time. At the beginning, all police officers had to walk, and they walked around 20 miles a day. Then they had horses, which helped the officers arrive quicker to the crime scenes. Finally, they introduced police cars. The cars were so much quicker and efficient. Even having phones and radios helped the police respond ten times faster. As you can see, law enforcement has grown and changed over the past decades. It definitely has changed for the better. The officers are able to respond quicker to the threats that are being made because of technology and because of the newer transportation (police cars). Illinigurl002
ReplyDeleteI feel there was a lack in the structure of policing when it was first implemented. To have only one citizen who was "forced" to police at the threat of being fined was not the way to go. I understand this was done in small areas but imagine if this was still being done in policing today. The crime rate would be out of this world. So yes, things have changed for the better and technology has helped with this advancement. It also helps that we have more females getting involved. I feel there is a compassion and calmness that females have that is useful when dealing with certain incidents. Sort of like having a good bedside manner as a physician. It is needed. Jadist002
Deletet is interesting to see the uniforms and their helmets. It is different to hear police Constable instead of police officer. Citizens would pay other citizens to take care of their security for their businesses just like in today’s society. Charlie’s are just like our officers. The amount of gear between what they had and what officers in today’s society carry is amazingly different. They had bad crime where all the nice cargo where and we still have that type of crime in today’s society. British came up with the first marine police force in 1798. They did not like a uniformed police force and people rallied against the police. These types of officers would use an alarm to call for help because they didn’t have radio’s. New officers cannot be over 35, have to be in good shape and have to Atleast be 5’7’’ and a half. The British police was a success but it took a while for the public to see it. An act in 1872 established the first professional police department. A constable would work 6,7 or 8 hours shifts. Constables would work 7 days a week allowing no days of rest. They also were assigned area’s to patrol just like in today’s society, 95% of departments have districts assigned. A big deal to the police was dealing with public drunkenness and constables being drunk on duty also. The uniforms back then were a lot different than any in the US. In the 1887, the Glasgo detective were considered the best. They had to do fingerprints by hands. Most officers had to walk but by the end of the 1800’s they had horse drawn vans. The horse drawn vans would haul criminals that were arrested off to jail. Phones were placed around the cities in order for officers to communicate with other officers more efficiently. By the 1900’s, department would make training mandatory as part of making sure their officers were in the best shape and know what to do in case they had to do it. It was expected that departments would train their officers but they had no record of much training. In 1899, the first training school was open in London. This housed all the different parts of police work from patrol to detectives. This time also started the females rebelling and causing protests.
ReplyDeleteThe protest caused bomb attacks against the city. This type of police department was adopted by the western counties as a way to run a police department. -002
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DeleteI liked how you pointed how the uniform and safety gear is waaaaaay different from back then to now. Officers was more likely to get really hurt during those times than they are now. From them having helmets on a day to day bases but not bulletproof vest. Your more likely to get shot where the vets protects you than in your head NOT saying it’s not possible but a helmet is a very useful equipment as a police officer.-KenzieLand002
DeleteThe evolution of policing has changed drastically. This needed change has helped police obtain the structure that is needed for effective policing. In the beginning, basic citizens or as they were called "Keepers of the Peace" were responsible for policing the community. This responsibility was an unpaid yearlong requirement that they were forced to add into their normal daily schedule, which was difficult to do with the daily time constraints. Failure to properly police would result in the Keepers being fined. With the growth in the population and crime more policing was required. With this added policing the tools or duty equipment progressed. The now "Charlies" used lanterns, rattles, and a staff as tools for self-defense. All patrol was done on foot and as time went on this proved to be difficult with the long distance and amount of time the officers were on foot. With the large population that we have today, I think we would be worse off if officers were still required to patrol on foot. As time went on and more tools and skills were implemented such as call boxes, vehicles and training this helped with officers addressing crime in a more timely and efficient manner. With the appointment of Sir Robert Peel the more structured form of policing evolved. His focus was more along the lines of crime prevention over punishment. This focus has carried over into a lot of the areas of policing that we have today. With patrol cars, police dogs, and updated technology such as live scan (fingerprint analysis machine) we are able to not only prevent crime but solve more crimes. It is also beneficial that women are allowed to become police officers. Female officers tend to have a more calm and compassionate demeanor that is useful when dealing with an emotional victim or erratic suspect. Jadist002
ReplyDeleteI like that you talked about the fact that female officers have a calming effect on emotional victims or erratic suspects. This is so important because some people believe that women shouldn't be on the field but they are an essential part to policing. All people should have an equal opportunity. There is a thing in policing called Warrior vs. Guardian and woman are mainly known to be the guardian or protector whereas men are more known as the warriors which they are more prone to take down or try to defeat the suspect. Sometimes one is needed more than the other but they both have their downfalls and sometimes it is unclear on which one you should be. Ark002
DeleteI also like how you brought up the fact of female officers having a somewhat calming effect on victims and even criminals/suspects. I think women have a incredibly important job on the street policing. I think they can be more level headed in a heated moment than possibly a man could in a similar situation. I think thats important to have especially if you are facing a crucial situation.
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This video talked about a lot of what we discussed in class, such as Sir Robert Peel, it stated in the video that he believed in preventing crime rather than relying on punishment as a deterrent to crime, this is still a crucial part in law enforcement today. A few things I didn't know is that in 1878 the detective department was renamed to Criminal Investigation Department or also called CID for short, this to me sounds more official. Also that in 1937 the 999 emergency system was introduced in london, this was set in place to ensure that police time wasn’t wasted, and so that their response time was quicker. The 999 system helped because the quicker someone was able to get to an incident helped solve and stop more crime from happening. The 999 system was so important because it helped officers do their jobs more efficiently and kept more people safe which is the first and most important priority. Something that we learned in class is that police should not be judged on anything other than if they keep their people safe from crime or help stop crime, this was also stated in the video saying “ the efficiency of motor patrol will not be judged by the number of convictions” but by the effectiveness of the manner in which they carry out their duties. I liked this because some people judge police unfairly sometimes and they should judge them by if they feel safe or if they keep your area safe. If law enforcement wasn’t as advanced as it is today I believe that our society would be ruled by those who are corrupted. Overall, this whole video was very informative and took us on a journey through law enforcement, I learned so many new things and I believe that I will benefit from this knowledge when I am in the force. Ark002
ReplyDeleteI've always wondered about the efficacy of judging police off of the more intangible standards like "the effectiveness of their duty". These are standards that are contingent on opinion, as opposed to empirical verification, and I am very leery of them. They are very old standards, I grant, but tradition, while a strong guide, is not by any means inerrant. The Kansas City preventative patrol experiment sticks in my mind as an example of how policing may have less effect in the preventative than in the curative stage. I fully admit that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, but what is prevention? That, I think, is one of the key issues that will police forces will face in the future, and I suspect that the answers will be either counterintuitive or unpalatable, or both. - Arsenal 002
DeleteAs we have seen from the video, sir Robert peel is generally credited with establishing the first English police department, the London metropolitan police in 1829. Early 19th century some groups of ma-chants traders and other employed private individuals to protect their property and their persons. protection thus became a commodity available to everyone who had sufficient resources. In addition, victims of theft who could not recover their property offered rewards for its return, often resorting to hiring thief-takers. These precursors to modern bounty hunters were private citizens who for fee or a reward, attempted to identify wrongdoers and to return stolen property to its right owners. in early 14th century with the rise of powerful centralized government and decline of regional ones, we see the beginning of more formal system of criminal justice with separation of powers and a hierarchical system of authority.Also as we saw from the video there was more improvement in police departments to make the community safer, most of this improvement was implementing the police uniforms, means of communication, weapons, and transportation when they look for thief's and murderers. As the cities kept on growing, more policemen were hired and their main jobs of the new police were suppressing mob disorder, winning support from pressing the public and developing a disciplined force. GUSII 002
ReplyDeleteFrom watching the video up until 1822 when Sir Robert Peel became home secretary. The citizens were mainly in charge of the policing and control of keeping the peace. If it wasn’t for the Peter-loo massacre in 1819 the acceleration of the policing reform could have possibly taken much longer. Given the recruits that had come in they were given the rank of constable. Making them rank up only if earned. It did take the citizens some time to get used to. When the government changed how Burroughs and townships were policed it did make it easier for the Victorian era police. I did like however that the locals were given a chance to apply for a government grant to help start their local police force. The constables had a lot to deal with on their plates when covering many types of crimes. From public drunkenness to a major crime. By the end of the 18th century the Scotland yard held the national collection of 70,000 fingerprints and when reported in 1904 it recorded being the biggest tool to help investigations including Jack the Ripper case. The fingerprinting tool is still one the biggest tools used today. From the last century the local police were to train their own recruits however it looked as if no training was given. 1907 the peel house training facility was given to recruits for all around policing knowledge. The famous Sydney street siege of 1911 became an iconic gun battle with over 1000-armed troops and police officers. The anarchists were unscathed until the house caught fire which home secretary Sir Winston Churchill had told fire fighters not to intervene. WWI also helped shape modern policing due to anti-German riots and police officers had to man anti-Zeppelin weapons. Mr.Wadewilson002
ReplyDeleteI like how you talked about how the officers were originally citizens i think it's important to talk about this part because it shows how police came about. It's also important to focus on how hard it was back then with the weapons, pay and how the were perceived by the public. Things were so different from now and it is hard to think that at one point in time there wasn't any officers. I also like how you covered how much they had to do, it is so hard to think that someone could work seven days a week and go through everything from fires to murders. I do feel like you should have talked about the women more in this it was a very key element in policing and a overall big accomplishment. Overall this was a good response to the video its clear that you gathered the key concepts of the video.-pizza002
DeleteThe citizens were responsible to stop crime or they would be fined , and then they forced one citizen to be the constable for a year and it was an unpaid position. They had no uniform also it was not a popular position. When population grew they had a raise in crime. This caused owners of well of shops to pay people to guard their shop. This then made london start to pay citizens to watch the streets and stop crime in 1663. There was a growing unemployment rate that caused people to flood to towns called slums which were a vast growing of crimes. They didn't have any other protection like welfare, this caused for more officers and it grew to be a respected position. A Lot of people at first didn't like the idea of uniformed officers cause it takes away a lot of freedom however that changed when riots broke out, called in army was sent in. Crime prevention not just punishment, metropolitan police in london. To be a bobbie had to 35, five feet and seven inches tall, they had to have good temper. Then it goes on to talk about how much they would work seven days a week no rest, this means that a lot police got really ill and couldn't work as well. The low pay drew in a certain unskilled person. Really had to handing all crime including fires. It's clear this was a very hard time and seems almost impossible to handle all of that everyday. They had to walk until they had horse drawn vans which came along at the end of 1800’s. Then came bicycles, then 1910 wireless radio was used. In 1923 women were sworn in as constables and could arrest. Police pay was still awful and then they tried for union but got promised better pay.This video had alot of great information. -pizza002
ReplyDeleteThis video was a nice summary of a lot of information we talked about in class. The video talks about Sir Robert Peel and how he believed in preventing crime rather than relying on punishment as a deterrent to crime. This used in law enforcement today. The video states that in 1878 the detective department was renamed to Criminal Investigation Department. It goes on to talk about that in 1937 the 999 emergency system was introduced in London. This was set in place to ensure that police time wasn’t wasted, and so that their response time was much quicker than before. The 999 system helped because the quicker someone was able to get to an incident helped improve and sometimes solve more crimes. The video also described the thief-takers, which today we would associate them with being a modern day bounty hunter. These precursors to modern bounty hunters were private citizens who for fee/ reward, attempted to identify wrongdoers and to return stolen property to its rightful owners. The video went on to talk about how in the early 14th century with the rise of a powerful centralized government and decline of regional ones, we begin to see the beginning of a formal system of criminal justice. We also get to see that there was more improvement in police departments such as implementing the police uniforms, means of communication, weapons, and transportation when they went out looking for criminals and suspects. As time went on the police force grew and were able to win the trust of the public and become a force that could be depended upon if any problems arose. -CUBSFAN002
ReplyDeleteI agree that this video was a nice summary of what we talked about in class Thursday, but in a way it is an extended version with more in-depth information. For example, how back a thousand years ago how people in a village were responsible for keeping the peace and catching criminals themselves. And if they did not they had to pay a fine. Also how over time any free citizen had to serve as a constable for a year, were not paid, and they also had to do their original work. It was interesting to see how the police force has evolved over time. –Adventureflight002
DeleteThis video was very interesting. The video was interesting in the sense that it was full of information about the history of policing and how it has evolved over time. As I watched the video I noticed some similarities and differences between past policing and policing in the present. For example, over 1000 years ago Anglo-Saxon kings expected the people to keep good order and keep the peace. The citizens were responsible for catching criminal(s) and if they did not they would have to pay a fine. By the 1600s the city employed street watchmen at night called Charlie’s. They did not have much to protect themselves. All they had was a bell, a weapon, and a scarf; which is not much to defend one’s self with. This job was mainly attractive to the old and weak. Also they still had to do their full time day job, so they would get little to no sleep. By the 1700s people realized that there needed to be a more permanent position. At first there were only 6 people. They would serve more than a year and were paid. Near the end of the 1700s, a marine police force was formed. When it was first formed there were about 60 or so officers and they would be in rowing boats. Later, it would be the largest of the police forces of the time. A few years later, Robert Peele would come in and reform the police force. He believed in crime prevention rather than punishment. When the Metropolitan Police force was formed, the police had to be a certain height, a certain age, mentally healthy just to name a few. At first the public did not like the idea of a police force. They said they wanted ‘individual freedom’, but the army of the times did not know how to calmly and successfully, for example, break up riots, because they were not trained. This video was very interesting and I learned a lot about the history of policing. –Adventureflight002
ReplyDeleteI agree with you, I definitely think that the legal system back in the day has similarities to the legal system we have today. Not only do authorities expect us to keep the peace and listen to orders but we expect it from others as well. So when we see someone who is not following the rules we will catch ourselves watching them or looking at them because they look silly or out of the norm.Today, the police authorities will sometimes offer a reward for information to a lead on a criminal case or even if you know where someone is at. This was also accurate back then, you could receive an award if you helped find a criminal. #notaplumber002
DeleteI also thought this video was very interesting as well. I found it very cool to see what methods, and tendencies that police departments used then, and still use now, and too see what methods we that we do not use anymore. I thought it was very interesting how back in the day, citizens were responsible for catching criminals, and getting back their stolen property. I also found it very interesting, with how the video showed police departments evolving overtime, it was a very cool perspective, to see how they have evolved. It was also very interesting to see that the public at first strongly opposed a police force, and now we greatly appreciate them.
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Policing was first developed in Britain. Before there was a definite legal system, citizens were in charge for capturing the criminals and taking care of them themselves. There were no authorities to turn them over too. If they didn’t catch the criminal or offender then the citizen could receive a fine. They had a policy called, “keeping the peace” where citizens were expected to just keep peace and not cause any problems. In 1663, the city of London paid people called watchmen to watch over the city during the night. The watchmen didn’t carry very violent weapons to ensure safety. In 1784, they decided that having just watchmen wasn’t cutting it, and that they needed a more secure, safe, and reliable police force to make sure the population was safe all the time not just only at night. They didn’t have a specific uniform but were required full-time and got paid salary. Birmingham and Manchester were gradually growing larger and larger because several people were looking for jobs and needed pay. Along with more people, came more crime. Because of all the people moving to one specific area, soon there were not enough jobs to please everyone’s needs. Many people were homeless which lead to crime. People were stealing because they had nothing to eat or to keep them warm. And if someone stole from them they would go after that person because they took everything the homeless had. A prime spot for stealing was the merchant's ship. There were constantly new boats coming to the docks with new merchandise to be sold. They were always being loaded and unloaded, and therefore and big opportunities for products to always be stolen. This lead to organized gangs helping one another to steal stuff. I believe that the more structured legal system today has gotten better from when it first was created. Even though there are many people that don’t agree with it. It is better than when it was first developed by watchmen. #notaplumber002
ReplyDeleteI agree that the police system in the united states has come a long way from when it first started. At first we only had watchmen, who weren’t even police but rather a desperate attempt by citizens to control crime in their area. Now we have organized police stations with intense physical and mental training required. Police are monitored a lot more then they were back in these times, and there are a lot more rules about what police can and can not do. I think that for society to really see the progress that we have made, they need to look at what policing used to look like. Celtics002
DeleteIt is crazy to think that Citizens were the ones in charge of “keeping the Peace” and if you did not catch the criminal you could be fined for it. I guess that would be a good way to get your citizens involved in keeping the peace. Also each citizen had to take the mantel as constable for a year, I could only imagine the pressure that was on you to keep everyone happy. It is not surprising that in 1663 the first police watchmen were being paid to keep the peace. I could imagine people were getting upset that they were being fined for not “keeping the peace.” -ClarkKent002
DeleteBack when the police force was first starting out, it was very interesting to see the certain characteristics an individual needed to become a law enforcement officer, or a so called bobby. I think it's very interesting that they had to be a certain height in order to be a police officer. The police force was a shock to the public, when it first started. But they were still successful even though the public opposed them. Eventually the public had to accept the police force, and get used to them police force sticking around for good. It's very interesting that London started the very first official police department, and other big cities followed, and began to make their own active police force. It's crazy to think that when the police department first started people opposed of it so much they were attacking uniformed officers, and trying to get them to go away. It's very cool that we gave women opportunities in the police force, and it's very interesting that some police departments didn't let the women officers wear a certain uniform until the 70s, and didn't get to wear the hardhats until the 80s. Times were much different in policing back then and this video does a very good job showing how they were different. In the 1980s it seemed that there was so much civil unrest, between the police and the public. The video says that in that time period, it was one of the worst times between people, and police. If feel in today's age, there is also a ton of civil unrest between the police departments, and citizens. The stop and search method back then was not right in my opinion. That method was solely used to show force, and power and to let the people know who was in control.
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It's amazing to me how much has changed in policing and yet somehow many things manage to stay the same. In regards to your comment about how the 80's was one of the worst periods of time between the police and public...I was actually pretty surprised to learn that. It does seem today that it's worse but I believe that's because we have such easy access to so much information and people are quick to spread bad news much faster than we are to spread good news. I feel like if more people understood how much better off we are now than we were then things might start getting better even faster. Though that is not to say there isn't many problems that persist today I think it's important that we all work together (the community and police force) to continue to better ourselves and not try and shift the blame all one way or the other.
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This video gave me even more information about how policing has changed throughout the years in the United States. One of the big names in this video is Sir Robert Peel. In 1829 Sir Robert Peel established the first ever English police department called the London Metropolitan. One of the biggest problems that was ran into was thief takers. Thief takers would be hired by people who had something stolen from them, in an effort to hopefully retrieve those items. The problem with these thief takers is that they would often be in cooperation with the thieves of the town. This would give both of them money and would basically trick people into paying them for no service. Another problem is that they only really worked for the rich people, because they were able to pay the most. The police needed a solution that made it possible for all members of a community to be equally represented. A solution to this problem was detectives, because detectives worked on a salary paid by the police. This way they were a trusted person to deal with only the most serious crimes, and they would work for either the rich or the poor. The police were later helped with inventions such as photography, and walkie talkies. Photography was a big one because they could not only identify criminals better, but the police could post wanted posters throughout the town which would greatly decrease the amount of crime from the suspects. Police soon got patrol cars, which helped them catch more criminals. Inventions such as walkie talkies and telephones helped the police as well. They could not only be easily reached, but could communicate between each other better. This led to more criminals being caught and less crime overall because the police had all of this new equipment. Celtics002
ReplyDeleteI really like what was said here especiallh the comment about the thief takers. The thief takers, i feel were just people trying to get money in any way possible at the time. You also mentioned the photography and walky talkie those were the thing that helped them out because back then technology wasnt a big thing they didnt have all of this great technology we have in the world today, the walkie talkie was most likely the ony way the cops reach out to rachother during a crime.
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It is crazy to think that when the towns were smaller in England it was the citizens duty to keep the peace. You were also expected to take your turn as a constable and keep watch over your town for a year. But when the cities grew rapidly it became harder to police and some of the more wealthier people would pay someone else to take their place. England stated to pay people to police the area, this attracted older weak men but they were the best fit. Jumping up to 1907 this was the first time that the Police had to have formal training in all the areas of police work. In just 27 years a college would be open to deal with all aspects of police training from new recruits to officers wanting to specialize in something. In 1970 saw an integration of women and men in the police force. Even before this women showed great bravery being decoys and One constable Margret Cleland stood on a roof top for over an hour talking to a man threating to jump off the building with his child in his arms. The use of helicopters in the 1960s saw a new way to police an area. In 1963 a helicopter used a fly around a police dog in a specially designed cage. The helicopter would not even have to land for the dog to jump out and apprehend the criminal. In 1964 roadways saw the first use of helicopters patrolling the area, they can cover a large area and scan inhospitable places. Helicopters have become an essential part of policing. In the 70s, Britain saw the worst terrorist attacks it has seen yet. The police were put under intense pressure and had to show results. Another useful equipment to the British police is the use of horses. The use of horse has been around for the past century and has not lost it importance. The riders must go through an 8 week course and have continued training throughout there career with the horse that they were a suitable match with. -ClarkKent002
ReplyDeleteIt’s important to understand the history and evolution of law enforcement not just in the United States but in all of western society in order to be the law enforcement officer one can be. Obviously it is not the one quality one needs to be an effective law enforcement officer but I think it’s important to understand where we came from to help understand what we are now and what we can become in the future. Back in the day before we had a formal police force it was left upon regular people to police themselves. I imagine it was difficult then as having to spend your resources defending your property instead of tending to your farm or whatever you do to make a living would have a dramatic impact on your life and to balance figuring out what happened vs just letting it go and tending to your livelihood I imagine would be difficult. But, it made sense for people to have to do that because we didn’t have large metropolitan areas like we do now and there really wouldn’t be a great method of policing people so spread out. Fast forward to the industrial revolution and we start seeing more and more cities pop up and grow and of course with more people grouped together the greater the need of a police force rises. It now made sense to have people dedicated to law enforcement. With a central law enforcement in place people were more able to go about their lives and let police handle the crime. However, law enforcement was far from perfect then and remains to be but we have made major strides in bettering ourselves. Allowing women to be police officers is probably the best thing we have done since the creation of a centralized police force. I also really liked seeing how technology evolved especially in regards to transportation. I can imagine it was a huge relief for police officers to have vehicles instead of horses or walking.
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I do not think a lot of people understand the importance with knowledge and knowing the history of law enforcement and where we came from. It is also a matter of respect for the people that came before us and helped shape where we are now and why we have what we have regarding resources. Law enforcement is different in a vast amount of ways and people interested in law enforcement should be very interested in the differences and be appreciative of what we have now. Being a police officer and being respectful of your equipment and knowledge of the job stems way back. -holywaffles002
DeletePolice perations and law enforement came a very long way. From their uniforms, police cars, and the way they solve crimes and handle crminals. In England their wasn’t police officers everybody took turns making sure things wasgoing smooth in the communities and everyone pinch when it came to solving any crime. It was like voulenteer work. They were name “Keepers of the peace” The very first police officers were known as the “Praetorian Guard”. The Vigiles started off as firefighter, but eventually achieved law enforcement status patrolling Rome’s streets day and night. New officers can not be over 35 had to be in good shape and have to Atleast be 5’7’’ and a half.By the 1900’s, department would make training mandatory In 1899, the first training school was open in London.The fingerprinting tool is still one oof the biggest and helpful thing used today. A Lot of people at first didn't like the idea of uniformed officers cause it takes away a lot of freedom but they did imedently change when riots broke out. 1700s people realized that there needed to be a more permanent position. At first there were only 6 people. A couple years later Robert Peele decided to come in and reform the police force. Which wasn’t a bad idea because he was thinking of ways to prevent crime from happening than thinking of way tp tp punish people.I liked how the British came up with the horse The police having horses has been around for the past century and has not lost its purpose. The riders must go through an eight week course and have continued training throughout their career with the horse that they were originally match with. -KenzieLand002
ReplyDeleteI thought it was interesting how they came with the idea of fingerprinting. They had to go through every fingerprint that was on record in order to find anyone that already committed a crime. Also how they use animals to help solve crimes as well, like horses and dogs. The evolution of how they also would fight fires to that becoming a firefighters job now. The transition to that officers were and are now are significantly different which is good to stop crime. Which the mobility for officers after cars help cut response time because they were able to get there faster. dory002
DeleteI thought it was absolutely wild that officer's had to be a certain height and have a certain personality and look to them in order to be on the police force. Which is incredibly discriminatory, especially because it was clear females were not a part of this. To reflect on what policing was to what it is now is strange and neat all at once because of the differences. I also did not realize that the british were ultimately the first to come up with mobility of officers and the horse drawn carriages. I know also they mentioned some were volunteer police officer's and would receive nothing in return which is something majority of people would never even consider. -holywaffles002
DeleteAs the transitioning of the early stages of policing to what they are now, it is amazing to see the progress it has made. The advancements in technology, science and even the idea of what policing is. In America we imitate the British Police, using a lot of their ideas and tactics to police now. The history of Western Policing is very interesting, starting with the beginning which is the Metropolitan Police. The people volunteered to become watchmen and they didn’t have uniforms like they do today. They did it to keep the peace, which was also known as having good order. It’s interesting to think that’s where it all started, where they then paid other men to start watching over growing cities. Compared to police officers today, they only had a riffle, staff, and lantern for self-defense. Later, as they continue to advance the idea of policing the Fielding Brothers made a significant change. Where we know have permanent officers and they came up the with Bow Street Runners. Which later carried to Sir Robert Peel, who is by far the most important with the evolution of policing. He was able to accomplish police reforms without frightening the people right off the bat. Above all “he believed in crime prevention, rather than punishing as a deterrent.” Which is something that is use now, when it come to rehabilitating than immediate punishment. As the video continued, it mentioned that men that were younger than 35 years of age, healthy, and at least 5’7’’. There is a big difference to what we have now, like the multiple tests that new hires have to go through and how women are now able to work as officers. Technology and Science have been a great benefit to policing, where not only do they stop crime but also solve crime. Detectives were later official, K9s were involved, transportation and communication were able to cut response time. dory002
ReplyDeleteI agree with your statement that policing has come so far since the 1800s. I like how you spoke about the advancements in our technology these days. I also like how you mentioned the age of which a police officer must be. I cannot imagine starting off as a police officer at that age. It would be a very difficult job to start up at that age. I also thought it was interesting how during the video they mentioned the height of a police officer had to be five foot seven or taller. It is crazy to think about how things have changed so much since this time period, and definitely for the better. You did a great job at posting about this video. -Anchorman002
DeleteThe police established intimate relations with neighborhoods and neighborhood leaders and initially did not even wear uniforms. Middle and upper-class reformers believed that one of the primary tasks of the police was to reestablish political and social control over a population racked by ethnic and economic rivalries. The tension between being closely linked to communities and being an instrument for reforming them inevitably resulted in a struggle for political control of the police a struggle that was one of the dominant themes in the history of police in the United States.Their cultures and lifestyles initially offended the sensibilities of Americans whose families, mainly from England and The Netherlands, had settled in the country in the previous century or earlier. Indeed, the existence of large immigrant populations in the crowded cities of the East was perceived as a threat to the very fabric of American society. Eventually, the political, economic, and social dominance of Americans of English and Dutch extraction was eroded. Meanwhile, crime, rioting, and other disturbances became endemic in the cities.A Lot of individuals at first didn't care for formally dressed officers cause it removes a ton of opportunity however they did immediately change when riots broke out. 1700s individuals understood that there should have been a progressively stable situation. At first there were just 6 individuals. Two or after three years Robert Peele chose to come in and change the police constrain. Which was definitely not an awful thought since he was considering approaches to keep wrongdoing from occurring than considering ways to rebuff individuals
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I think it is beyond crazy to think about how it used to be and hear how policing used to be compared to today. They said when rioting occurred, they would call in the army to handle the riots even though they had no training or understanding how to control a riot. I like how Sir Robert Peel believed in crime prevention over punishment because instead of being lazy and not proactive, he made it to where it was a proactive job. Police department's have requirements now but then they wanted you to be a certain height and strong and able to keep your temper even if provoked. Things are beyond different now and while personality with an officer is important, police department's want well rounded individuals including females and education and mentality. I think Sir Robert Peel was the turning point for law enforcement, even so long ago I think he really set the standards of policing. Police officers would walk up to 20 miles a day for their beats. To think that back then, police officers did not have anything near the equipment they have today is horrifying. Ballistic vests were not a thing, tasers were not, pepper spray was not, vehicles were not present and communication or really sufficient training. One thing that has not changed is the outlook on police officers from people. When uniformed officer's came about, people felt like it took a lot of freedom away from the public and would cause riots. People to this day are still bothered by police officer's or their looks. These officer's would walk the same beats every day and now that is one thing an officer would not even think of because of the dangers of law enforcement and the heightened alertness now with possible ambushes. You do not want to follow the same routine and it is way too dangerous to even follow close to the same routine. Unfortunately, this job has no room for error but you can tell from beginning of policing to now, there is a clear appearance of trial and error and that is how we are where we are at now. People have truly not changed. Law enforcement over the years has just become more well trained and have more equipment for protection. -holywaffles002
ReplyDeleteThe history of policing is a subject I’ve covered in a few classes now, and as such, I’ve developed some fairly strong opinions on the matter, which should come as no real surprise. The early model, more primitive than anything that might realistically be called policing, requiring people to take responsibility for crimes committed in their community and apprehend the suspects, might well be called the militia system. It was for this purpose, at least partially, that free men were allowed to keep arms since time immemorial. This remains even today in the citizen’s arrest; whereby non-deputized people may make arrests for felony offenses. A police officer really only differs from the citizen in two areas: training and authorization to make arrests for misdemeanor crimes. I am of the opinion that we need more citizen involvement in policing, and that every law be subject to enforcement by all citizens or stricken from the books and forgotten. To treat the police as an entity separate from and more powerful than the citizens that they remain a part of creates a sense of ‘us versus them’ that bears itself out unpredictably and with threatening results.
ReplyDeleteI’ve been to Scotland, which operates on the British style of policing, and I have this to say on their system: it manages to be at once Orwellian and slightly laughable. Their average police officer is unarmed and wanders about in a great yellow safety jacket, since it is quite rainy in many areas. The officers are friendly enough, but rather at loose ends, without much direction to them. On the other hand, cameras are omnipresent, and SWAT equivalent officers patrol their airports, armed with German-made G36K assault rifles. It was quite an impression to step out into the lobby and see pairs of them idling about, garbed in body armor, like watchful black hounds, eyeing everyone as a potential meal. Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction, but I fear that it has already died in the land that gave birth to the United States. We talk about militarized police and increased surveillance in the United States, but we haven’t gone as far as we might one day, and for that we ought to be thankful, but watchful over our liberties, that we do not fall to the level of that once free country called the United Kingdom.
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DeleteIn the 1800s people did not like the idea of a uniformed police force because they saw them as a threat to their freedom as an individual. Sometimes there would be uncontrollable riots that would occur. Whenever rioting would take place, the police force would call in the army to take care of the disturbance. The police force was always going to become successful. It was all in a matter of time though. Every good thing takes time and it took some time for the people to become adjusted to the new system. Before policing was finally respected, there were many riots and attack against policing. At this point in time, police figures were known as bobbies. In order to become a bobbie one would have to be at least the age of thirty-five years old. They would have to be healthy individuals and be at least five foot seven. Later on policing was taken not as serious as it was supposed to be. At one point the average police officer would be uneducated and out of shape and fat. This was a problem because a police officer needs to be fit and ready for pursuit at a moments notice. Another huge problem in the 1800s was alcohol. Police officers would often times drink on the job and when caught they would lose their jobs. As an officer, you would work decent sized shifts and oftentimes not receive the proper amount of sleep needed. At one point during this time period they came up with the system which introduced fingerprints. They would keep files upon files of fingerprints of criminals. They still use fingerprinting today. In 1903 officers were able to start driving vehicles. And soon after that, officers were also given bicycles that they could ride around. Telephones soon became useful to police men. -Anchorman002
ReplyDeleteI do agree with you that most of people did not like to see the police with uniforms and the way the started controlling people on streets. This happens even now, not all people like police but for the real point is that according with the law, police has made a great deal in controlling the citizens. Fair punishment, rather than killing or hanging from committing minor crimes. It was also important that they started being strict on police drinking on their jobs at least this makes different from being a police from any other person on street. GUSII 002
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