In the 1800s the role of the detectives started from the United Kingdom. Regular citizens would be responsible for investigating their own crimes. The government would offer rewards to citizens who would go find the criminals and or who knew any kind of information about the criminal. But most times if it was a petty crime citizens would not convict them because if any crime was committed they would die and they didn't want blood on there hands. Which i why they only had detectives work on murder crimes. Since there was no police system at the time you had to hire someone to find your stolen items or look for it yourself. Most thieves would work together and steal from the rich and they would be hired by someone to get there stuff back. Which meant they would automatically get paid because they knew where the items that were stolen was. Prior to when the police department was established volunteers would show up drunk and most times because they were not paid they did not show up. The first formal police department was made in Boston in 1838. Police officers would beat would beat immigrants and or criminals till they voted for a certain politician or till they stopped doing the crime that they committed. Which led to a lot of corruption. Around this time police officers didn't have cars. So this led to curbside justice where they would beat the criminals with their batons because it would be easier than walking all the way back to the jail. In 1860 this is when photography that was used to take pictures of criminals for wanted posters. But most criminals would change there appearance would look by changing their lips or changing the structure of their cheek bones. Batman.002
I thought that it was pretty interesting to know about these kinds of things that had happened back then like them stealing items and then getting hired to try to find the items that they already knowing where they were. Also things are a whole lot different now then they were back then being that they were volunteers and like you said they would show up drunk and that would be some what accepted by the public, where that would never be allowed to happen these days, and for good reason of course. It was also interesting to learn that the police would beat people until they voted a certain political way. -Steel003
You did a great job at listing all the details that were mentioned throughout the video. I thought that it was crazy how they reacted towards the most minor things in this time period. It makes me very thankful that we were able to come so far since then and continue to better our system. One other thing that I thought was crazy about this time period that you mentioned was the fact that police would beat criminals on the streets with batons. It just proves and shows how far we have truly come. I also liked how you mentioned how criminals would change their appearance by changing their lips and face structure. -Anchorman003
This video starts out with asking the difference with patrol officers and detectives and also why is Private Investors called the private eye. United Kingdom is where the word detective emerged. The meaning of detective is a person, especially a police officer is to investigate and solve crimes. Before detectives, the system for investigating crime was flawed. Before detectives came into society you had two options. First one was either forget about it and move on or hired a private investigator to look into it. In an effort to investigate crimes, the British Police would put out rewards for citizens who had factual information on the crime. Despite all the effort to make law enforcement better, the people were unsupportive of the legal system and informers. For punishments of the crimes, they did have the capital punishment but the people who did small crimes could receive the death penalty. This way of approaching law enforcement drove away those who would have cooperated. If they would bring the criminal to the judge for punishment, their own life could have been harmed by the people. Their punishment from the people could be death. If you were poor than you wouldn’t have enough money to pay them. Detectives were then set at a salary so they would work all cases. Detectives became reactive to crimes. Thieves would turn each other in. Detectives were only used in most serious crimes. The Boston police force was established in 1838 and this was the first formal PD in the US. They took a lot of tactical stuff from the British police forces. Private detectives were vital in criminal investigation. The justice department hired the Pinkertons private detective because they were effective. There was no jurisdiction when it came to the pinkertons private detectives so they could investigate any crime anywhere. The department developed a system to keep track of records and every citizen they ever dealt with. This new type of policing really paid dividends when reducing crime and catching the thief’s. -chicubs002
I find it very interesting how far laws have changed since the 1800s. The punishment for some of the laws back then are scary to think about. If you stole bread you could be burn at the stake which is crazy to think about in todays world. It makes you stop and think how fortunate we are that the legal system evolved to a much more fair system than the one of only 200+ years ago. You were on your own back then and couldn't rely on the police to even get back stolen property. Thank goodness we can actually rely on the police in todays world.
I find it very interesting how far laws have changed since the 1800s. The punishment for some of the laws back then are scary to think about. If you stole bread you could be burn at the stake which is crazy to think about in todays world. It makes you stop and think how fortunate we are that the legal system evolved to a much more fair system than the one of only 200+ years ago. You were on your own back then and couldn't rely on the police to even get back stolen property. Thank goodness we can actually rely on the police in todays world. -CUBSFAN003
In the United Kingdom, in the 1800s, justice for crimes usually meant death. Even petty crimes like stealing bread or cutting down a tree without permission could lead to death which caused the citizens to not want to report and convict those people. Detectives were eventually brought in to investigate more serious crimes like murder. The problem with detectives in the beginning was that they were paid by their customers to solve crimes so to solve this issue, detectives became salaried so they were more likely to help the rich and poor alike. In the 1830s, the first formal police departments developed. Before the formal departments, police officers were volunteers which led to them showing up drunk or not showing up at all. There are three main eras in policing which include: the political era, reform era, and community problem/solving era. During the political era, officers had political motivations and would beat people up to get someone's vote or because a politician told them to. In the reform era, police took a step away from politics and there were advances in technology. The community era focuses more on relations with the public and relies on the communities cooperation to stop crime. Throughout the history of policing, there were many advances in identifying criminals. In the 1860s photography was brought in and used for wanted posters, but criminals would alter their appearance by puffing out their cheeks and other ways making it hard to identify them. Bertillonage was thought to be a better way of identification because they would measure a criminals body parts, but it turned out to be inefficient and filled with errors. The Pinkerton's eventually brought in a system of recording information and keeping files on criminals which was adopted by police departments and is still in use today. Overall, it is important to learn the history of policing to understand how and why it is done today. -smokeybear003
I agree, the people in the community in England around the 1800’s, feared to report the criminal activity due to how the justice system worked at the time. Justice was hardly justice; the punishment was far from fitting the committed crime. The punishment for any crime was usually followed with death. Even if bread was stolen the punishment would be death. It makes me feel very grateful for the evolution of the criminal justice system we have today. I have more respect for the history of investigation, and police work. I cannot imagine not truly being able to rely on the police system like we do today. -CoalRoller003
It was beneficial to the criminal justice system to implement the criminal investigation division or detective division. In earlier policing citizens were on their own when it came to finding thieves or someone who committed a crime against them. In the 1800s it defeated the purpose of using thief-takers to assist in locating stole items. During this time the law was unjust so there was a lot of corruption. If you were rich thief-takers would also steal from you by working with thieves to con rich citizens out of money. This created more criminal activity than crime solving. Thus implementing the position of detective which emerged in London Metropolitan Police Department. In the beginning detectives were only responsible for more serious crimes such as murders. With some detectives being reformed criminals and familiar with criminals and their tactics this was beneficial to policing and crime solving. What was also beneficial during the 1800s-1900s was the development of photography and bertillonage systems. This helped with identifying suspects. Our current “mug shot” system has advance dramatically. In the past suspects were able to alter their appearance and the system was error prone. Now all photos appear to be basic in a sense. If you look at current mugshot shown on the commitment report everyone stands that same, there is minimum clothing shown (most photos are from the neck up) and no one is allowed to smile or alter there expressions (frown, raise eye brows etc.). Another area of advancement in the detective area of policing is interrogation. During the “third degree” suspects often suffered prolonged beatings in order to either obtain a confession or the name of a suspect. This would be something that is now protected against by the Fifth Amendment. More science and training is now used in solving crime and lessens the likely hood for corruption. Jadist003
I've always been pretty interested in how technology can influence policing. Photography has helped tremendously in policing, I wonder if when they started implementing it in policing they thought this was the pinnacle of investigation tools. I found it interesting that when mug shots were first around people could just alter their appearance and now today we have facial recognition software that makes that nearly impossible without some sort of surgery. That, along with DNA and fingerprints seems like it would be incredibly difficult to disappear though it does seem as though people are finding ways. Avatar003
As we have seen from the video, policing and law enforcement has changed greatly. During 1800s citizens were getting sufferer punishment where we hand from the video when someone cut down the tree without permission he or she will end up death. Before the mid 1800s few american cities had police services, and those that existed were inadequate. Many cities had paid police departments only at night or treated day and night police services as entirely separate organizations. However the major private detective agency of the nineteenth century was formed by Allan Pinkerton. The Pinkerton enjoyed such enormous success in the united states and throughout the world. The development of policing in states closely followed the development of policing in England. The watch system was composed of community volunteers whose primary duty was to warn of impending danger. Augmenting the watch system was of constables, official law enforcement officers usually paid by the fee system of warrant they served. In many cities constables were given the responsibility of supervising the activities of the night watch. The key question is what was it about the united states in the 1800s that necessitated the development of local centralized police force? The one answer to this is that the cities were growing. Lot of things started upgraded as the days goes by. System started changing where they can get the right evidence from the right criminal offenders as well as the right way to charge them. GUSII002
This video explained some of the history and evolution behind police investigations. The video begins with the structure of the early police force in England around the 1800’s. The viewer is painted a picture of destruction, mayhem and chaos in that time frame. People flocked to the city due to the hype in industry. This caused more criminal actives which was caused by the drastic increase in the city population. The rich were stolen from because they actually had possessions; where the poor had nothing. When the rich were stolen from, they we able to pay for ‘Justice’, where the poor could not pay for such extravagances as justice. This mentality was hardly justice. The justice that was served to the criminal was almost always to extreme for the crime. More often than not the crime was punished by death, even if it was a minor crime like stealing bread to eat. The punishment did not fit the crime. Nor was the sentence consistent from criminal to criminal. Justice was not just and fair. With this great lack of consistency, the community refused to press charges on the criminals, for they knew the system was flawed. However, some within the community would get paid for giving criminal tips to the authorities at that time, which then lead the rest of the community to resent these few. The system was full of inconsistencies, therefore the community relied on themselves to do the investigating. They hired private citizens to track the evidence. These private investigators were paid based on their value of the stolen property. I thought this video was interesting, as is explained the life style of the people in England about the 1800’s time. I feel, I have more respect for the past investigators as they truly had awful conditions and an inconsistent system to work in. We have evolved tremendously over the two-hundred years. I am excited to see what kind of improvement the next generation makes in the investigation system of criminal justice. -CoalRoller003
I agree with you, the past detectives had a big responsibility. They were normally not liked because they had to pick up on the crimes and then find the criminals. Who were then probably put to death because of the crime they had committed. Along with the flawed system in the past, people still complain and think that we have a flawed system today. Not everything is always going to be perfect but compared to the past, we have definitely picked out the good and the bad flaws and perfected it more. I’m sure in the years to come we will have more changes. People have also become smarter over the years and know how to defeat and cheat the legal system and to get their way of not being convicted of a crime. #notaplumber003
This video was very interesting because I want to be a detective so knowing how the development of a detective came into place was very informative. When the system first came about the punishment for almost every crime, like stealing or being a homeless person and making a lot of sound, was death. There were about 200 offenses that you could recieve the death penalty for and they were all, what we would call today, non-serious or non-violent crimes. Many people weren’t supportive of the legal system back then, and some people still aren’t supportive of it today. But compared to when it was first developed, it is a lot more structured and has more meaning behind the punishments. Detectives were only used for more of the serious crimes back when the legal system was first created. Today, we use them for almost every crime that the police authorities can’t figure out or determine the root of the crime. More and more rewards were offered to people who came to authorities with information about a crime or who even brought in criminals. Today, some rewards are given for information but bringing in the actual criminal would be frowned upon and that person would probably also be in the wrong and be framed for a crime. Detectives had a hard job back then, because people believed that they were there to tell on others just to get them in trouble. Being a thief back then, was truly a job. But they only targeted rich people. Because once the thief received that property they expected the owner to pay a fee in order to get their property back. Thieves would work together to get valuable property. They would tell other thieves what was in rich owners house so they could go and steal what they wanted or needed. In England, this quickly raised crimes because people started to go after the criminals themselves. This then raised for a more specific “police department” and more structured which came along a detective. Detectives were only assigned crimes after they were committed. They were given cases based on how well and how fast they could solve crimes, which is still accurate in today’s society. #notaplumber003
I didn't discuss the punishment side of the evolution of policing too much in my response, but I really enjoyed how you looked at it and discussed the evolution of it. It is truly hard to believe that roughly 200 relatively "minor" offenses in the past could receive the death penalty, where as today you would probably receive a ticket, warning, small amount of jail time, community service, or something along those lines. I am happy I was born in the period of time I was largely because of how much policing has evolved and the punishments changed. The world would be full of utter chaos, as it once was, without the evolution of law enforcement agencies. GMan003
I think if we still lived under the same laws and ways of punishment our population would not be what it is today and we would have less crimes committed. Knowing you could be put to death for stealing would knock our current crime rate down drastically. Yes it is a petty crime, but with the increase in the cost of living and store prices some feel they have to resort to stealing which then raises the crime rate. Things could have been structured better but I feel they were done in an attempt to prevent as much crime as possible and with the lack in resources and technology this is what they thought was best. The good thing is with the advancement in technology and resources we also have amendments, policy and procedures and duty rules and regulations that are beneficial in the criminal justice system. Great career choice. Jadist003
Police and law enforcement made a huge improvement. I’m really surprised by the police history.In the 1800s the role of the detectives started from the United Kingdom. justice for crimes usually meant death. Even the littlest crimes like shoplifting or trespassing.The first police department was made in Boston in 1838. Police officers would beat on immigrants/criminals till they voted for a particular politician or till they stopped doing the crime that they gotten arrested and that created a lot of problems.. At this time police officers didn't have police vilcus. In 1860 is when photography that was used to take pictures of criminals for wanted posters. But criminals would change their appearance look by changing their lips or changing the structure of their cheek bones and importantly their hair. detectives became salaried so they were more likely to help the rich and poor alike but before they received salary they were paid by their customers to solve crimes.The political era, reform era, and community problem/solving era, are the three main eras in policing.the political era, officers had political motivations and would beat people up to get someone's vote or maybe a politician ordered them to. The reform era the police gave police some pace and the technology gotten better after that. The community era focused on relations with the public and relies on the community to help solve crimes. -KenzieLand003
I think that everyone could agree that police and law enforcement have improved greatly from the start of it. Back in the day if you were caught stealing you would be put to death. That is just crazy for such a minor crime you could lose your life. It was so bad that people would not testify against people and juries would not convict people because they did not want blood on their hands. I don’t blame them for not testifying, I would not want someone to die if they took a loaf of bread that is just crazy. -ClarkKent003
The first detective service was formed in the 1800s in the UK and they were assigned to more serious crimes. Other petty crimes were investigated by regular citizens and if the victim had some money they would higher a private investigator to often find a stolen item or something of that nature. However most of these crimes were crimes that citizens did not want to official report because in those days the punishment far outweighed the crimes. These citizens did not want to have blood on their hands over these petty crimes and the video explains that their might actually be blood because they might sentence a person to death for things like robbery. The first type of policing that was in america where people that volunteered and were under qualified. This led into the formalized police forces in bigger cities because of the industrial revolution. Boston was the very first formalized police force in the United States in 1838. According to the video there was three major era’s for policing in America and the first was the political era and that lasted from about 1800-1900, it was given this name because the people that patrolled the streets were influenced by politicians and they often campaigned for them during the time that they were walking around patrolling. This in turn lead into what is known as the reform era(1900s-1960s) and it was because the politics in policing had lead to corruption and many problems with under qualification. This was when we started to have real training and a level of professional expectation for the police officers. Last was the Community problem solving era(1960s-present) and this new era was brought in because there was a great rise in crime and the old policing tactics became outdated. Then the video went into talking about about how there were many different methods for identifying criminals and why they weren't so efficient especially the ones we talked about in class from the first wanted posters to the 11 different body measurements. -RHB003
I noticed how you pointed out and said “most of these crimes were crimes that citizens did not want to official report because in those days the punishment far outweighed the crimes. “ which I ould a gree with because they were already struggling with money and putting someone in jail cost A LOT per prinsoner so putting someone injail for a petty crime cost money that wasn’r worth losing. -KenzieLand003
As seen in the video and in lecture, policing has greatly evolved and progressed the past couple centuries and, not only is it still changing, but it is going to continue to grow to better fit the societal needs of our country, by continuing to improve/modify techniques, procedures, and by continuously working on advancements in law enforcing technology. As discussed in class and as seen in the video, law enforcement was practically non-existent prior to the 18th century, at least a structured system as we know one to be today. The first ever detective/police force created was in the 18th century in England, where the Bow Street Runners were started and helped created by Robert Peel. This system was better than the chaos there was before, however, the Bow Street Runners were primarily focused on the wealthy, whether it be focusing on crimes against the wealthy, or how the rich got to be so rich. This left the poor out of the picture unless they were actually committing crimes, but they were not the focus of the Runners. This did not change until much, much later, with the creation and evolution of new police forces. The first American paid, “daylight police,” weren’t actually established until 1833, in which New York followed soon after (with a paid night & day force). Police forces in America, as briefly discussed already, have evolved off of European policing and practices. One technique that was adopted from the English by the Americans was that of anthropometry- which was the first method of criminal identification (that was thought to be reliable) based on a criteria of body measurements. The problem with this identification process, as we very soon came to find out, was that people can have the same body measurements, and the system can easily be abused by creating “criminal profiles” based on appearance. As seen in the dispute between the Sicilians and Italians, it was often abused- both jails were full of “criminals” (mostly based on the profile falsely created by the opposites typical appearance), that looked like the opposite’s general appearance. From this, we adopted the finger printing system, which is still in effect today and has advanced greatly- we have thousands and thousands- if not close to millions- of fingerprints in data bases that can be all sorted through virtually to find matches for suspects. Many years ago, around the time this system was first established to be effective, it was all done by hand- flipping through hundreds of cards with fingerprints on them. There has been much more advancements and changes in policing to this day, but these are some of the bigger points to be made. GMan003
I think it is great thing you mentioned police agency had to hand pick through cards to match fingerprints. I can not imagine looking through a room full of filing cabinets trying to match fingerprints in a system. The technology advancements that have been made since then are a huge improvement to what we use to have. Back then, criminals probably did not have as much of a thought of if they would get caught due to the chances being so low. In today’s technological world, it is a much bigger deterrent factor for criminals to not offend. - AS003
It is true that automated fingerprints has received consideration attention over the past decade. progress has been made on models of structure of fingerprint, techniques for the acquisition of prints. Fingerprints nowadays gives a perfect investigation and quickest methods of trucking criminals. Also i do understand that fingerprints has became an important identification of criminals in a criminal investigation when a book written by Francis Galton from England titled fingerprints was published in 1892. I do agree that so far the technology has improved for far from decades GUSII 003
After watching the video about policing and investigations, it is very apparent to me just how much investigations and the legal system has changed. It started out by talking about thing were brought to justice before investigators were a thing. People would be rewarded money by the government for bring in or informing the government about a criminal. This did not work out because people did not trust the government. People could be given death for over 200 crimes; some of these crimes being very low level. This brought about detectives only for serious crimes. This caused thief-takers to come onto the scene. These were citizens who were paid to get back stolen property. This had problems dealing with them only working for the rich and would work with the thieves. The solution they created was detectives being salary based to investigate all crimes. Due to all the crime, the London Metropolitan Police Department was created in the 1800’s to go after the crime rates. This was mostly due to the Industrial Revolution. After this first police department, formal police departments started to emerge. The first United States police department,which was in Boston, was roughly based off of the London Metropolitan Department. This is where the three eras of police started to happen. The first era was the political era. This was a way for politicians to control police and get a spot in offices. This caused a lot of corruption in the field of policing. Detectives were often just criminals that had secret agendas. Many departments hired anyone and everyone. Some of the ways they identified criminals was by measuring the length of their body parts, which turned out very unsuccessful. After several years of this people had enough and it switched into the reform era of policing. Police departments became a truly professional force. Rules and regulations came into place and they were held to a higher standard than ever before. It then went into the community policing era. This was based off of building a relationship between police and the community. The community gave a lot of information to help fight crime and make it a better place to live. - AS003
I agree, investigations and the legal system has drastically changed over the years, and it was very interesting to see how it has changed. It's actually quite amazing how far the legal system has come, and how much it has evolved to current day. It's also quite amazing how detectives have also evolved throughout the years. From private investigators, to becoming one of the most prestigious roles in a police department. I also thought it was very interesting, when they talked about politicians running police forces, they would be corrupt, and only run the police department to get a spot in a political office. I-Like-Cereal003
The video starts off with talking about the first detective service that started in the UK in the 1800s. They were assigned to do the serious crimes reported. Other crimes that were done had to be done by someone that a person hired. In the video it explains that this usually occurred when belongings were stolen. A lot of the crimes weren’t reported as the punishment outweighed the crimes and usually resulted in death. The video continues on to talk about how the government would reward citizens who brought criminals to them or gave them information about them. The larger the crime the larger the reward was for that citizen. However, at this time the laws were very brutal. Most of the time the punishment did not meet the crime. There were over 200 offenses in which the punishment would result in death. I find it fascinating that if you stole a loaf of bread you were burned at the stake or even being homeless and causing problems you were hanged. This caused many people to not support the legal system. For citizens that had property stolen they had to hire private citizens to go and find their property. This mainly benefited the rich as they had the money to pay these private investigators. A lot of the time these investigators were working in tandem with the thieves. These people were called Thief-takers. The video continued on and stated that the first formal police departments came around in the 1830s. The Boston police force was established in 1838. This was known as the first formal police department in the US. Private detectives were vital in criminal investigation. The justice department hired the Pinkertons private detective because they were effective. The Pinkertons did not have a jurisdiction so they were able to investigate crimes all over. The department developed a system to keep track of records and including every citizen that department had a run in with. Overall, I thought the video was informative on the history of policing and how we got to where we are now. -CUBSFAN003
I thought the punishments for the crimes back then were very out weighed too. I don’t think stealing a loaf of bread should be punished by the death penalty. I can see why a lot of things were not reported because the normal punishment for a crime was the death penalty. I thought it was interesting as well looking back at how things were back then and compare them to now. Punishments are not out weighed now like they were back then. If you stole a loaf of bread today, you would not get the death penalty. There is a lot more technology now compared to back then. Soccer003
The narrator of the video, makes a very good point when he says “How can we appreciate the history of police investigations, if we don't know where we started, and where we are now.” That line really stood out to me because, police investigations, is a subject that is always changing, and thing that law enforcement is trying to make better. The history of everything shows what worked, and what did not work in the past. When the video said that formal police departments started to emerge in the 1830s, that really surprised me, because of how long it took for countries to actually form a department. I was shocked that any sort of law enforcement official was a volunteer before an actual formal department. It was very interesting when the narrator began explaining the eras that policing went through. It was very interesting to see the changes that were happening, and that are still happening today. It's very cool to see departments constantly evolving and changing to best fit the public needs. It seemed like we relied very much on the private investigators, and private detectors back in the day. Pinkertons detective agency was a huge part in the law enforcement world back then. It's cool the department of justice would hire Pinkertons, because they could basically do whatever they needed to do in order to catch someone. Pinkertons didn't have to follow any rules, and had no boundaries. If you think about it, the video says that traditional policing was not working in the 60s. So officers started walking beats to interact with the public more, but in today's world officers do not walk beats anymore. They are back to the traditional way of driving around in squad cars. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, it's just an interesting way to look at our policing. I-Like-Cereal003
I really like the quote, “How can we appreciate the history of police investigations, if we don’t know where it started, and where we are now.” There is a lot of hate toward the police in todays society, mostly from people who are uneducated. I think that if we better educated the public about the history of police in the world and in the united states then the relationship between the police and the public would improve. We really have come a very long way in policing and have taken out a lot of the bad parts such as the interrogation methods. Could you imagine if we still used beatings and torture like we did back in those days? -Celtics003
We have come so far from where we were long ago, a huge difference now that was talked about is how the punishment used to not fit the crime in any circumstance. Citizens did not have many options back then, if they were stole from or wronged in any way usually they would have to figure out who did it on their own or if they could afford it they could hire someone. The reason people were so reluctant in helping solve crime or even reporting a crime was because the punishment for any crime, even if it was very small usually resulted in death. People saw how flawed this system was and didn’t want anyone's life on their hands even if they could possibly benefit from it such as; being paid to bring someone in or being a hero for catching them or helping. Society, juries, police and more realized that the punishment needed to fit the crime and we kept growing and changing laws and making new ones to make them morally correct. This is a huge part of law enforcement and it is so important that it changed because it keeps the peace, maintains justice and gives victims justice. It also helps judges make decisions that won’t make them feel like they are giving out too much or too little of a punishment which keeps their mental slate clear, it helps officers understand if they should use force or not, it helps investigators know what type of threat someone is or isn’t and so much more. This video has a lot of information not only about investigative history but about how generally our history in law enforcement helped better our future and I think this is one of the best examples to prove and to show that we have become so advanced and we continue to learn better ways to carry out all of the duties. Ark003
In this chapter I learned a lot about the history of criminal investigations. One thing that I learned about was thief takers. Thief takers are private citizens who are hired by a victim of theft, to help recover their stolen items and ultimately catch the thief. The problem with these thief takers are that they only worked for the rich and they often had a mutual benefiting relationship with the thieves of the town. The London Metropolitan Police Department fixed this problem by creating a detective position. A detective would be assigned to the most serious crimes and would be payed on salary, so he would have no need to associate with the criminals of the town. He would work for the rich and the poor, so everyone would feel equally represented. Detectives were helped by the inventions of photography. With photography detectives could keep track of criminals and better identify them on the streets. This was the first time that wanted posters would be placed around a town, in a hope to detour the criminals. One technique that police started using in a hope to catch these criminals was called dragnet roundup. This is where they took all the suspicious suspects and arrested them until they were determined innocent. They would also interrogate these suspects through prolonged beatings which definitely didn’t help their relationship with the public. The reform era ended a lot of the problems in the police and made police qualified professionals who were efficient in controlling and preventing crime. In the reform era there were two way radios, patrol cars, and even telephones which greatly helped the police do their job. The community solving era was focused on the police to public relationship, and is still going on today. This is where the police realized that they’re not going to be able to effectively stop crime in an area without the cooperation of the people within it. -Celtics003
Back in early England the punishments to crime were so severely usually resulting in death. Some of the example that the video gave were stealing a loaf of bread you were burned at the stake. If you were homeless and created a ruckus then you were hanged. The punishment did not fit the crime committed. Since the punishments were so harsh many people did not testify and juries refused to commit a criminal. The detectives were created to bring in serious criminals. They brought in people who murdered, because the citizens really did not make a fuss on killing murders. But if your stuff was stolen you could go to Thief Takers, which were individual for hire to get your stuff back. There were problems to this as because only the rich could pay for these type of people and sometimes the Thief Takers were in cooperation with the Thieves. To combat Thief Takers detectives were going to be paid so that they would help the rich and the poor. Another problem that stated to occur in early England is Thief Makers. These were thieves that would set up other thieves to collect the reward money on them, detectives would be reactive to crimes after this. Jump to America the first formal police department was created in Boston. Before this the “police” were citizens who volunteered for the job. In the mid-1800s and early 1900s the police did not have patrol car so they had to walk around the neighborhood. It was hard to get a hold of an officer because citizens had not way to get them besides running around the streets looking for one. Without the use of patrol vehicles the police did not really want to walk the criminal to the jail so the police would use “curb justice” this is when a police officer would just beat down the criminal instead of taking them to the jail. -ClarkKent003
It is truly strange to think about how or what people would feel about the crimes committed today. If a loaf of bread would get you killed then can you imagine what abducting a child or stabbing someone could get you? Things are not as nearly as valued as they used to be and religion was thrown into a lot and traditional ideologies and beliefs have dissipated over time and things have dramatically changed. Also to realize the police did not have cars or transportation to begin with and relied on walking or horse drawn carriages is disheartening and scary because of the normalized routines they eventually maintained. -holywaffles003
I liked that you brought up that in order to combat thief takers detectives would be paid to help the rich and the poor. This helped because some criminals were getting away with things like stealing and weren't being caught because the poor couldn't pay for them to be found. This caused an issue because more crime was able to be committed against poor people because they knew they could get away with it. It was also good that detectives started to get paid because all of their hard work shouldn't go unrewarded. It is a very difficult job. Ark003
Back when detectives were just really starting to come around, it was not like how it was today in that people were pretty much in charge of solving their own cases that had happened to them. So if someone had stole something of yours, you would be the one to investigate it and try to find out who had taken your things unless you had money to pay a private investigator who would do that for you and that is where the detective first starting becoming a thing. Back then there were over two hundred crimes that were punishable by death. A lot of people would not report crimes for petty things because people would get punished to death for something as little as cutting down a tree or being homeless and being a nuisance. When detectives were first starting to get paid on a salary they were assigned to the most serious of the crimes first. If you jump ahead a little bit into the 1900’s up to the 1960’s the police and detectives were looked at as real professionals. That is how the media made them out to be. The detectives focused a lot more on science and training. The F.B.I. helped a lot in that they were advancing the way we did things such as the fingerprint identification, making new training academies and making new crime labs in order to solves more crimes. All of these things have helped shape how things are modernly run. The video also says that there needs to be a good relationship between the police and the citizens. -Steel003
The history of criminal investigations certainly has been a tumultuous one. It doesn’t really surprise me to read about how barbaric policing was back in the early days though. I’ve always heard about how punishments were extra severe and how many times people would just be killed or even worse being burned at the stake. Though I do find it interesting that it took us so long to try and match the punishment to the crime. I don’t think I’m surprised necessarily but it is something to think about. I don’t find it too surprising though because I feel like we still see a lot of that attitude today. Perhaps not so severe but we are often throwing people in prison for things that in my opinion ought to not even be crimes. Plus I think the idea of “curb justice” is still around though it’s not exactly encouraged. I do think we are constantly improving but I think we probably still have a long ways to go. We like to look back at how people police themselves back in the day and wonder how they could be that way, but I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that people 100 years from now thought that about us. I think perhaps what will benefit us the most going forward is encouraging good relationships between police officers and the community as ideally they are one in the same. There are trust issues on both sides right now and deservedly so but if we continue to try and improve things perhaps we can gain more trust in each other. I think perhaps what is more interesting is the impact technology is having on policing. Hearing about how police officers would have to sift through cards to match fingerprints just makes me cringe at the amount of tedious work people would have to go through. And more importantly I wonder how much it could have impacted certain investigations that depended heavily on time. Then you have DNA and not only DNA but it becoming easier to utilize which I think is a great thing when used correctly. Avatar003
I agree with the things you talked about in your response. When you mentioned the thing about technology i think will definitely rise it will probably be at its best. you also mentioned how the system is constanly imporving and i totally agree because just years ago we didnt have as many crimes as we do now. We also had vert sever consequences for thingd things people did and the thimg is the crime they may committed wasnt as bad a as injuring or killing someone. Bball003
I agree with the things you talked about in your response. When you mentioned the thing about technology i think will definitely rise it will probably be at its best. you also mentioned how the system is constanly imporving and i totally agree because just years ago we didnt have as many crimes as we do now. We also had vert sever consequences for thingd things people did and the thimg is the crime they may committed wasnt as bad a as injuring or killing someone. Bball003
I thought there was a lot of interesting things in this video. In the early 1800’s if someone stole something from you, you either find it yourself or you pay someone to go find it. I learned more about thief takers and I found it interesting how thief takers normally helped the people that were more wealthy because the if the item that was stolen was high in value, the thief taker would get paid more. I also thought it was interesting that in the 1800’s, the punishment for crime was normally death. The person in the video said that if you stole a loaf of bread, you would get burned to death and I don't think the death penalty should qualify for that. I learned more about parliamentary rewards. You would get a reward if you turned a criminal in or you had information on a criminal. I learned more about thief makers and a thief maker is when someone tricks someone into commiting a crime and then they turn that person in for commiting the crime and the person that turns them in gets to collect the parliamentary reward. I thought it was interesting how to detective role was created when the London Metropolitan Police Department was formed. I also thought it was interesting how the department was mainly volunteers. Since people were not getting paid they sometimes would not show up or they would show up drunk. I thought it was interesting how politicians controlled policing during the political era and there was sometimes corruption. I thought Bertillonage was interesting. Before they had more information on twins, they believed that eleven measurements of a person's body could identify someone. I never knew that the term “third degree” meant. I interpreted it as an intense interrogation that can involve beatings or torturing someone in order to get them to talk or confess. -Soccer003
I think it is crazy you would either take matters into your own hand or simply pay for someone to take care of it for you in return. Now, that is not even a thought and we expect the police to handle everything with no expectations or rewards. I thought is was absurd that they said if you stole bread you were burned to death. That stopped me in my tracks because it almost makes you laugh like it is a joke because it is so intense and unnecessary. What is sad is that some and majority of people entrusted with going to about missing property expected the most amount of money possible and if they were real desperate they would go to the extremes and pay someone to fake rob you in order for people to go to them and throw money their way in attempts for the recovery of the item or items. -holywaffles003
@holywaffles003. What I find upset was that theives would set up other theives to commit the crimes and turn around and turn that person in to collect a reward. Stealing is bad yes but to be double crossed . Ouch. What is the punishment for that? Being burned like everyone else. Some extra added on torture maybe. But still stealing bread and being burned is some harsh measures. But the government wasn’t playing around in anyway. They were definitely sending a message. Could you imagine if that was currently being done today to prevent future crimes? Casket003
The Criminal Justice system has come a long way from the early days. The Criminal Justice system in the United States date back to colonial days when the citizens were subject to the laws and rules of the British. Many times the laws and subsequent punishment were not always fair. The political era of policing did not provide a large role for detectives. Detectives had limited capabilities in investigating crimes.For disciplines of the violations, they had the death penalty yet the general population who did little wrongdoings could get capital punishment. Thusly of moving toward law authorization headed out the individuals who might have collaborated. In the event that they would convey the criminal to the judge for discipline, their own life could have been hurt by the general population. Their discipline from the general population could be passing. On the off chance that you were poor than you wouldn't have enough cash to pay them. Criminologists were then set at a pay so they would work all cases. Criminologists ended up receptive to violations. Cheats would turn each other in. Analysts were just utilized in many genuine wrongdoings. The Boston police constrain was built up in 1838 and this was the primary formal PD in the US. They took a ton of strategic stuff from the British police powers. Private analysts were essential in criminal examination. The equity office contracted the Pinkertons private investigator since they were compelling. There was no purview when it went to the pinkertons private analysts so they could research any wrongdoing anyplace. The office built up a framework to monitor records and each native they at any point managed. Bball003
After watching the slides, it amazes me how something so small could of easily costed your life. Cutting down a tree that you weren't supposed to or taking a loaf of bread for examples. It goes to show how much we have evolved, not only in the United Kingdom but the United States as a whole. The "thief takers" are what really stuck with me throughout the video. If someone stole something of yours, you could pay a citizen to get it back. In 1800's it goes to show how different the environment was of investigation. Police have become such a strong force with investigating and laws, along with court and jail time. It was very easy to become a detective if you were a criminal, it was about who you knew and if you could help out the department. The police were held to a hire standard when the community was involved with help fight crime. Many things began to change when the reform era was issued. The Industrial Revolution should be more known for making the London Metropolitan Police. was mainly created to go after crime rates in the area. The identifying process was what stuck with me during this video, how the body measurements was the start but then suddenly the criminals were slowly getting it and changing there ways. DirtTrack003
I also agree that it is crazy how things are so different and how something as simple as stealing bread could send you to death if caught. You also covered all the key concepts very good and didn't get stuck in just one part you really did a great overview of the video. I also like how you explained the thief takers and how they were citizens who get paid to get things back however i would have focused on how only the rich could do these things and how because of all this they had to make salary detectives so that way all crimes were getting a chance to be solved not just the rich. Overall great job. - pizza003
The video from Holmes to Hoover: The history of criminal investigations goes over how detectives came to be. The role of the detective came about in the UK in the 1800’s due to the fact that the system for investigating crimes faulty. Before detectives were created, people had solve their own crimes, or get a private investigator. Rewards were often used by the government to get information about crimes. The more important the information, a bigger reward was given. The problem with this was that people were not supportive of the legal system. Because small crimes would be punished so severely. For example, stealing a loaf a bread, a person would be burned at the stake. So people weren't quick to turn them in. Even the judge and the jury didn't want to convict them because they would be put to death for petty crimes. The people that did cooperate with turning crimes in for rewards, as a result, were very much so hated by society because they had blood on their hands. Because of this, the legal system was forced to have detectives for serious crimes, such as murder. Citizens who were victims of lesser crimes had to hire people to get their belongings back or to catch the person who did it. The problem with this, was that only rich people benefitted from that, and so the crime rate was still high. So the solution was to make detectives salaried, so that they would help everyone. Another issue with the governments reward system was that it created more criminals instead or catching them. The criminals would trick people into doing crimes, and the turn around and turn them in for the money. To fix to this was they made detectives reactive to crime, and they were assigned to crimes that already taken place. Overall, it was a very informative video the explained how the role of detective was created and how they addressed many issues in the legal system. -pizza003
The role of detective emerged originally from the united kingdom. Regarding the evolution of the investigative task: english developments, the current system for investigating crime was deemed to be flawed. The detectives arose to address the current flaws. During the political era, politicians controlled policing which became known to lead into corruption. Curbside justice was the favored alternative to arrest. The detectives were familiar with criminals and their tactics and some were even reformed criminals and were often disguised as their work was secretive. During the community problem solving era, strategies had been developed for community residents to share information with the police, such as tip lines, school liaison officers, and community watch groups. There have been also major technology advancements such as DNA and fingerprint systems. Specialized units have also been formed overtime such as special victims/vulnerable populations unit, and child exploitation/ internet crimes. Over the years ever since policing was formed, things have changed drastically. A lot of people do not appreciate or understand the serious advancements and where we came from. Being a police officer then is beyond different to what it is now and there needs to be respect given to those that helped get us to the place we are with everything because without their attempts and discoveries and hard work, we would be in a totally different world. People were still the same asinine way to officer's then as to now because people have not changed overtime. People are still very nasty and rude to officers and still cause riots and trouble where it is unneeded. Politics still have a major affect on policing today as well and it is more political than things used to be. People came up with these ideas and ways of work to better everyone and themselves to help the public. -holywaffles003
Learning the history of investigation is basically learning about policing because it merges out from it. The video mentions 3 important eras that help evolve the idea of detectives. The Political Era, which policing was controlled by politicians. They would hire people that were not fit for the job. Making the job corrupt because officers were taking advantage of the jobs. In the 1800’s people had to investigate themselves the problem, there wasn’t anyone else to do it for them unless they hired someone. Then, Industrial Revolution made there for availability for jobs, making people overcrowd and population grew. Which made the bigger cities have a variety of people causing it to be more crime. There was a lot of political pressure. That is when detectives originated and started to address the issues after the crimes was made not during like a police officer. Later was the Reform Era, where they would people that were fit for the job and train them to properly handle specific situations. It is interesting because they focused on taking out politics from policing. Which was a good thing to do because people were taking advantage of the job. Like when victims called for help like if their stuff were stolen, the people who commited the crime would offer to help find their stuff. They were obviously paid to solve the crime and they would benefit from the victims. So, hiring qualified people and paying them do deal with small and large claims was a better idea. Finally, it transition to community policing and being of service for the people. Where it shows that detectives having a good relationship with the community can help them solve crimes easily. yellow003
The job of being a detective started in the UK in the 1800’s. During this time, normal everyday people were able to figure out and investigate their very own crimes. If anyone during this time period were to have seen or heard anything about a specific crime and had information about who it may be who committed the crime, then that person would receive some type of reward in return. One thing that I found so interesting while watching this video was the fact that people would get insane punishments that did not fit the crimes that they had committed. If you were to steal something, then you would be sentenced to death. In the year 1838, the Boston police force was created. During this time period there were three policing eras. The first era was the political era. Another one was the the reform era. The last era was the community problem solving era. Also in this time period, politics were a huge deal. If you did not vote for a certain person to be elected, officers would sometimes beat you until you decided to vote for the individual that they wanted you to vote for. Officers would also beat people who committed certain crimes. The only time that detectives were used during this time was when a truly serious crime had taken place. At one point during the video, he spoke about how they came up with a new system which had recordings of the lengths and measurements of criminals limbs and body parts. However this system did not stick around for too long because the system was flawed and other people were found to have the same measurements as other criminals. Knowing some of the history behind policing is extremely interesting and I am glad to have learned all of this knowledge. After watching this video, I am very happy to be able to say that we live in the world that we do now. Policing has come so far since the 1800’s and will continue to move forward and become better and stronger as time goes on. I am very thankful for our criminal justice system. -Anchorman003
Listening to this video took me back to police operations when I took the class in 2013, discussions of corruption and police brutality and even leading to false confessions. We still face today as well as elected officials within the policeing department. It’s sad that if you didn’t vote for someone you would be beat or you would be beaten for a vote. Granted has police policies gotten better over the years yes they have but still their is some sort of corruption still going on. Confessions being coerced in one way or another. But not as bad as it has been in the past such as teeth being pulled or being burned. Yeah I would confess to a crime to if I was being beat. Another thing that was brought up was the beats . This was supposed to be a way for the community to get to know the officers and for the officers to get to know the community. A way for the officer to gain trust from the community vise versa. To this day officers are still encouraged to walk their some of their beats whether or not they do it is on them. A problem with how determining criminals back in the 1800’s is still very similar to determining criminals today. Unfortunately race plays a factor in profilings of a criminal as to back then race and just looking goofy made you a criminals. Even before the 1800’s we had the Salem witch trials. People were hung all because someone didn’t like someone. Is the criminal justice system growing? yes but slowly.- casket003
In the 1800s the role of the detectives started from the United Kingdom. Regular citizens would be responsible for investigating their own crimes. The government would offer rewards to citizens who would go find the criminals and or who knew any kind of information about the criminal. But most times if it was a petty crime citizens would not convict them because if any crime was committed they would die and they didn't want blood on there hands. Which i why they only had detectives work on murder crimes. Since there was no police system at the time you had to hire someone to find your stolen items or look for it yourself. Most thieves would work together and steal from the rich and they would be hired by someone to get there stuff back. Which meant they would automatically get paid because they knew where the items that were stolen was. Prior to when the police department was established volunteers would show up drunk and most times because they were not paid they did not show up. The first formal police department was made in Boston in 1838. Police officers would beat would beat immigrants and or criminals till they voted for a certain politician or till they stopped doing the crime that they committed. Which led to a lot of corruption. Around this time police officers didn't have cars. So this led to curbside justice where they would beat the criminals with their batons because it would be easier than walking all the way back to the jail. In 1860 this is when photography that was used to take pictures of criminals for wanted posters. But most criminals would change there appearance would look by changing their lips or changing the structure of their cheek bones. Batman.002
ReplyDeleteI thought that it was pretty interesting to know about these kinds of things that had happened back then like them stealing items and then getting hired to try to find the items that they already knowing where they were. Also things are a whole lot different now then they were back then being that they were volunteers and like you said they would show up drunk and that would be some what accepted by the public, where that would never be allowed to happen these days, and for good reason of course. It was also interesting to learn that the police would beat people until they voted a certain political way. -Steel003
DeleteYou did a great job at listing all the details that were mentioned throughout the video. I thought that it was crazy how they reacted towards the most minor things in this time period. It makes me very thankful that we were able to come so far since then and continue to better our system. One other thing that I thought was crazy about this time period that you mentioned was the fact that police would beat criminals on the streets with batons. It just proves and shows how far we have truly come. I also liked how you mentioned how criminals would change their appearance by changing their lips and face structure. -Anchorman003
DeleteThis video starts out with asking the difference with patrol officers and detectives and also why is Private Investors called the private eye. United Kingdom is where the word detective emerged. The meaning of detective is a person, especially a police officer is to investigate and solve crimes. Before detectives, the system for investigating crime was flawed. Before detectives came into society you had two options. First one was either forget about it and move on or hired a private investigator to look into it. In an effort to investigate crimes, the British Police would put out rewards for citizens who had factual information on the crime. Despite all the effort to make law enforcement better, the people were unsupportive of the legal system and informers. For punishments of the crimes, they did have the capital punishment but the people who did small crimes could receive the death penalty. This way of approaching law enforcement drove away those who would have cooperated. If they would bring the criminal to the judge for punishment, their own life could have been harmed by the people. Their punishment from the people could be death. If you were poor than you wouldn’t have enough money to pay them. Detectives were then set at a salary so they would work all cases. Detectives became reactive to crimes. Thieves would turn each other in. Detectives were only used in most serious crimes. The Boston police force was established in 1838 and this was the first formal PD in the US. They took a lot of tactical stuff from the British police forces. Private detectives were vital in criminal investigation. The justice department hired the Pinkertons private detective because they were effective. There was no jurisdiction when it came to the pinkertons private detectives so they could investigate any crime anywhere. The department developed a system to keep track of records and every citizen they ever dealt with. This new type of policing really paid dividends when reducing crime and catching the thief’s. -chicubs002
ReplyDeleteI find it very interesting how far laws have changed since the 1800s. The punishment for some of the laws back then are scary to think about. If you stole bread you could be burn at the stake which is crazy to think about in todays world. It makes you stop and think how fortunate we are that the legal system evolved to a much more fair system than the one of only 200+ years ago. You were on your own back then and couldn't rely on the police to even get back stolen property. Thank goodness we can actually rely on the police in todays world.
DeleteI find it very interesting how far laws have changed since the 1800s. The punishment for some of the laws back then are scary to think about. If you stole bread you could be burn at the stake which is crazy to think about in todays world. It makes you stop and think how fortunate we are that the legal system evolved to a much more fair system than the one of only 200+ years ago. You were on your own back then and couldn't rely on the police to even get back stolen property. Thank goodness we can actually rely on the police in todays world. -CUBSFAN003
DeleteIn the United Kingdom, in the 1800s, justice for crimes usually meant death. Even petty crimes like stealing bread or cutting down a tree without permission could lead to death which caused the citizens to not want to report and convict those people. Detectives were eventually brought in to investigate more serious crimes like murder. The problem with detectives in the beginning was that they were paid by their customers to solve crimes so to solve this issue, detectives became salaried so they were more likely to help the rich and poor alike. In the 1830s, the first formal police departments developed. Before the formal departments, police officers were volunteers which led to them showing up drunk or not showing up at all. There are three main eras in policing which include: the political era, reform era, and community problem/solving era. During the political era, officers had political motivations and would beat people up to get someone's vote or because a politician told them to. In the reform era, police took a step away from politics and there were advances in technology. The community era focuses more on relations with the public and relies on the communities cooperation to stop crime. Throughout the history of policing, there were many advances in identifying criminals. In the 1860s photography was brought in and used for wanted posters, but criminals would alter their appearance by puffing out their cheeks and other ways making it hard to identify them. Bertillonage was thought to be a better way of identification because they would measure a criminals body parts, but it turned out to be inefficient and filled with errors. The Pinkerton's eventually brought in a system of recording information and keeping files on criminals which was adopted by police departments and is still in use today. Overall, it is important to learn the history of policing to understand how and why it is done today. -smokeybear003
ReplyDeleteI agree, the people in the community in England around the 1800’s, feared to report the criminal activity due to how the justice system worked at the time. Justice was hardly justice; the punishment was far from fitting the committed crime. The punishment for any crime was usually followed with death. Even if bread was stolen the punishment would be death. It makes me feel very grateful for the evolution of the criminal justice system we have today. I have more respect for the history of investigation, and police work. I cannot imagine not truly being able to rely on the police system like we do today. -CoalRoller003
DeleteIt was beneficial to the criminal justice system to implement the criminal investigation division or detective division. In earlier policing citizens were on their own when it came to finding thieves or someone who committed a crime against them. In the 1800s it defeated the purpose of using thief-takers to assist in locating stole items. During this time the law was unjust so there was a lot of corruption. If you were rich thief-takers would also steal from you by working with thieves to con rich citizens out of money. This created more criminal activity than crime solving. Thus implementing the position of detective which emerged in London Metropolitan Police Department. In the beginning detectives were only responsible for more serious crimes such as murders. With some detectives being reformed criminals and familiar with criminals and their tactics this was beneficial to policing and crime solving. What was also beneficial during the 1800s-1900s was the development of photography and bertillonage systems. This helped with identifying suspects. Our current “mug shot” system has advance dramatically. In the past suspects were able to alter their appearance and the system was error prone. Now all photos appear to be basic in a sense. If you look at current mugshot shown on the commitment report everyone stands that same, there is minimum clothing shown (most photos are from the neck up) and no one is allowed to smile or alter there expressions (frown, raise eye brows etc.). Another area of advancement in the detective area of policing is interrogation. During the “third degree” suspects often suffered prolonged beatings in order to either obtain a confession or the name of a suspect. This would be something that is now protected against by the Fifth Amendment. More science and training is now used in solving crime and lessens the likely hood for corruption. Jadist003
ReplyDeleteI've always been pretty interested in how technology can influence policing. Photography has helped tremendously in policing, I wonder if when they started implementing it in policing they thought this was the pinnacle of investigation tools. I found it interesting that when mug shots were first around people could just alter their appearance and now today we have facial recognition software that makes that nearly impossible without some sort of surgery. That, along with DNA and fingerprints seems like it would be incredibly difficult to disappear though it does seem as though people are finding ways.
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As we have seen from the video, policing and law enforcement has changed greatly. During 1800s citizens were getting sufferer punishment where we hand from the video when someone cut down the tree without permission he or she will end up death. Before the mid 1800s few american cities had police services, and those that existed were inadequate. Many cities had paid police departments only at night or treated day and night police services as entirely separate organizations. However the major private detective agency of the nineteenth century was formed by Allan Pinkerton. The Pinkerton enjoyed such enormous success in the united states and throughout the world. The development of policing in states closely followed the development of policing in England. The watch system was composed of community volunteers whose primary duty was to warn of impending danger. Augmenting the watch system was of constables, official law enforcement officers usually paid by the fee system of warrant they served. In many cities constables were given the responsibility of supervising the activities of the night watch. The key question is what was it about the united states in the 1800s that necessitated the development of local centralized police force? The one answer to this is that the cities were growing. Lot of things started upgraded as the days goes by. System started changing where they can get the right evidence from the right criminal offenders as well as the right way to charge them. GUSII002
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DeleteThis video explained some of the history and evolution behind police investigations. The video begins with the structure of the early police force in England around the 1800’s. The viewer is painted a picture of destruction, mayhem and chaos in that time frame. People flocked to the city due to the hype in industry. This caused more criminal actives which was caused by the drastic increase in the city population. The rich were stolen from because they actually had possessions; where the poor had nothing. When the rich were stolen from, they we able to pay for ‘Justice’, where the poor could not pay for such extravagances as justice. This mentality was hardly justice. The justice that was served to the criminal was almost always to extreme for the crime. More often than not the crime was punished by death, even if it was a minor crime like stealing bread to eat. The punishment did not fit the crime. Nor was the sentence consistent from criminal to criminal. Justice was not just and fair. With this great lack of consistency, the community refused to press charges on the criminals, for they knew the system was flawed. However, some within the community would get paid for giving criminal tips to the authorities at that time, which then lead the rest of the community to resent these few. The system was full of inconsistencies, therefore the community relied on themselves to do the investigating. They hired private citizens to track the evidence. These private investigators were paid based on their value of the stolen property. I thought this video was interesting, as is explained the life style of the people in England about the 1800’s time. I feel, I have more respect for the past investigators as they truly had awful conditions and an inconsistent system to work in. We have evolved tremendously over the two-hundred years. I am excited to see what kind of improvement the next generation makes in the investigation system of criminal justice. -CoalRoller003
ReplyDeleteI agree with you, the past detectives had a big responsibility. They were normally not liked because they had to pick up on the crimes and then find the criminals. Who were then probably put to death because of the crime they had committed. Along with the flawed system in the past, people still complain and think that we have a flawed system today. Not everything is always going to be perfect but compared to the past, we have definitely picked out the good and the bad flaws and perfected it more. I’m sure in the years to come we will have more changes. People have also become smarter over the years and know how to defeat and cheat the legal system and to get their way of not being convicted of a crime. #notaplumber003
DeleteThis video was very interesting because I want to be a detective so knowing how the development of a detective came into place was very informative. When the system first came about the punishment for almost every crime, like stealing or being a homeless person and making a lot of sound, was death. There were about 200 offenses that you could recieve the death penalty for and they were all, what we would call today, non-serious or non-violent crimes. Many people weren’t supportive of the legal system back then, and some people still aren’t supportive of it today. But compared to when it was first developed, it is a lot more structured and has more meaning behind the punishments. Detectives were only used for more of the serious crimes back when the legal system was first created. Today, we use them for almost every crime that the police authorities can’t figure out or determine the root of the crime. More and more rewards were offered to people who came to authorities with information about a crime or who even brought in criminals. Today, some rewards are given for information but bringing in the actual criminal would be frowned upon and that person would probably also be in the wrong and be framed for a crime. Detectives had a hard job back then, because people believed that they were there to tell on others just to get them in trouble. Being a thief back then, was truly a job. But they only targeted rich people. Because once the thief received that property they expected the owner to pay a fee in order to get their property back. Thieves would work together to get valuable property. They would tell other thieves what was in rich owners house so they could go and steal what they wanted or needed. In England, this quickly raised crimes because people started to go after the criminals themselves. This then raised for a more specific “police department” and more structured which came along a detective. Detectives were only assigned crimes after they were committed. They were given cases based on how well and how fast they could solve crimes, which is still accurate in today’s society. #notaplumber003
ReplyDeleteI didn't discuss the punishment side of the evolution of policing too much in my response, but I really enjoyed how you looked at it and discussed the evolution of it. It is truly hard to believe that roughly 200 relatively "minor" offenses in the past could receive the death penalty, where as today you would probably receive a ticket, warning, small amount of jail time, community service, or something along those lines. I am happy I was born in the period of time I was largely because of how much policing has evolved and the punishments changed. The world would be full of utter chaos, as it once was, without the evolution of law enforcement agencies. GMan003
DeleteI think if we still lived under the same laws and ways of punishment our population would not be what it is today and we would have less crimes committed. Knowing you could be put to death for stealing would knock our current crime rate down drastically. Yes it is a petty crime, but with the increase in the cost of living and store prices some feel they have to resort to stealing which then raises the crime rate. Things could have been structured better but I feel they were done in an attempt to prevent as much crime as possible and with the lack in resources and technology this is what they thought was best. The good thing is with the advancement in technology and resources we also have amendments, policy and procedures and duty rules and regulations that are beneficial in the criminal justice system. Great career choice. Jadist003
DeletePolice and law enforcement made a huge improvement. I’m really surprised by the police history.In the 1800s the role of the detectives started from the United Kingdom. justice for crimes usually meant death. Even the littlest crimes like shoplifting or trespassing.The first police department was made in Boston in 1838. Police officers would beat on immigrants/criminals till they voted for a particular politician or till they stopped doing the crime that they gotten arrested and that created a lot of problems.. At this time police officers didn't have police vilcus. In 1860 is when photography that was used to take pictures of criminals for wanted posters. But criminals would change their appearance look by changing their lips or changing the structure of their cheek bones and importantly their hair. detectives became salaried so they were more likely to help the rich and poor alike but before they received salary they were paid by their customers to solve crimes.The political era, reform era, and community problem/solving era, are the three main eras in policing.the political era, officers had political motivations and would beat people up to get someone's vote or maybe a politician ordered them to. The reform era the police gave police some pace and the technology gotten better after that. The community era focused on relations with the public and relies on the community to help solve crimes. -KenzieLand003
ReplyDeleteI think that everyone could agree that police and law enforcement have improved greatly from the start of it. Back in the day if you were caught stealing you would be put to death. That is just crazy for such a minor crime you could lose your life. It was so bad that people would not testify against people and juries would not convict people because they did not want blood on their hands. I don’t blame them for not testifying, I would not want someone to die if they took a loaf of bread that is just crazy. -ClarkKent003
DeleteThe first detective service was formed in the 1800s in the UK and they were assigned to more serious crimes. Other petty crimes were investigated by regular citizens and if the victim had some money they would higher a private investigator to often find a stolen item or something of that nature. However most of these crimes were crimes that citizens did not want to official report because in those days the punishment far outweighed the crimes. These citizens did not want to have blood on their hands over these petty crimes and the video explains that their might actually be blood because they might sentence a person to death for things like robbery. The first type of policing that was in america where people that volunteered and were under qualified. This led into the formalized police forces in bigger cities because of the industrial revolution. Boston was the very first formalized police force in the United States in 1838. According to the video there was three major era’s for policing in America and the first was the political era and that lasted from about 1800-1900, it was given this name because the people that patrolled the streets were influenced by politicians and they often campaigned for them during the time that they were walking around patrolling. This in turn lead into what is known as the reform era(1900s-1960s) and it was because the politics in policing had lead to corruption and many problems with under qualification. This was when we started to have real training and a level of professional expectation for the police officers. Last was the Community problem solving era(1960s-present) and this new era was brought in because there was a great rise in crime and the old policing tactics became outdated. Then the video went into talking about about how there were many different methods for identifying criminals and why they weren't so efficient especially the ones we talked about in class from the first wanted posters to the 11 different body measurements.
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I noticed how you pointed out and said “most of these crimes were crimes that citizens did not want to official report because in those days the punishment far outweighed the crimes. “ which I ould a gree with because they were already struggling with money and putting someone in jail cost A LOT per prinsoner so putting someone injail for a petty crime cost money that wasn’r worth losing. -KenzieLand003
DeleteAs seen in the video and in lecture, policing has greatly evolved and progressed the past couple centuries and, not only is it still changing, but it is going to continue to grow to better fit the societal needs of our country, by continuing to improve/modify techniques, procedures, and by continuously working on advancements in law enforcing technology. As discussed in class and as seen in the video, law enforcement was practically non-existent prior to the 18th century, at least a structured system as we know one to be today. The first ever detective/police force created was in the 18th century in England, where the Bow Street Runners were started and helped created by Robert Peel. This system was better than the chaos there was before, however, the Bow Street Runners were primarily focused on the wealthy, whether it be focusing on crimes against the wealthy, or how the rich got to be so rich. This left the poor out of the picture unless they were actually committing crimes, but they were not the focus of the Runners. This did not change until much, much later, with the creation and evolution of new police forces. The first American paid, “daylight police,” weren’t actually established until 1833, in which New York followed soon after (with a paid night & day force). Police forces in America, as briefly discussed already, have evolved off of European policing and practices. One technique that was adopted from the English by the Americans was that of anthropometry- which was the first method of criminal identification (that was thought to be reliable) based on a criteria of body measurements. The problem with this identification process, as we very soon came to find out, was that people can have the same body measurements, and the system can easily be abused by creating “criminal profiles” based on appearance. As seen in the dispute between the Sicilians and Italians, it was often abused- both jails were full of “criminals” (mostly based on the profile falsely created by the opposites typical appearance), that looked like the opposite’s general appearance. From this, we adopted the finger printing system, which is still in effect today and has advanced greatly- we have thousands and thousands- if not close to millions- of fingerprints in data bases that can be all sorted through virtually to find matches for suspects. Many years ago, around the time this system was first established to be effective, it was all done by hand- flipping through hundreds of cards with fingerprints on them. There has been much more advancements and changes in policing to this day, but these are some of the bigger points to be made. GMan003
ReplyDeleteI think it is great thing you mentioned police agency had to hand pick through cards to match fingerprints. I can not imagine looking through a room full of filing cabinets trying to match fingerprints in a system. The technology advancements that have been made since then are a huge improvement to what we use to have. Back then, criminals probably did not have as much of a thought of if they would get caught due to the chances being so low. In today’s technological world, it is a much bigger deterrent factor for criminals to not offend. - AS003
DeleteIt is true that automated fingerprints has received consideration attention over the past decade. progress has been made on models of structure of fingerprint, techniques for the acquisition of prints. Fingerprints nowadays gives a perfect investigation and quickest methods of trucking criminals. Also i do understand that fingerprints has became an important identification of criminals in a criminal investigation when a book written by Francis Galton from England titled fingerprints was published in 1892. I do agree that so far the technology has improved for far from decades GUSII 003
DeleteAfter watching the video about policing and investigations, it is very apparent to me just how much investigations and the legal system has changed. It started out by talking about thing were brought to justice before investigators were a thing. People would be rewarded money by the government for bring in or informing the government about a criminal. This did not work out because people did not trust the government. People could be given death for over 200 crimes; some of these crimes being very low level. This brought about detectives only for serious crimes. This caused thief-takers to come onto the scene. These were citizens who were paid to get back stolen property. This had problems dealing with them only working for the rich and would work with the thieves. The solution they created was detectives being salary based to investigate all crimes. Due to all the crime, the London Metropolitan Police Department was created in the 1800’s to go after the crime rates. This was mostly due to the Industrial Revolution. After this first police department, formal police departments started to emerge. The first United States police department,which was in Boston, was roughly based off of the London Metropolitan Department. This is where the three eras of police started to happen. The first era was the political era. This was a way for politicians to control police and get a spot in offices. This caused a lot of corruption in the field of policing. Detectives were often just criminals that had secret agendas. Many departments hired anyone and everyone. Some of the ways they identified criminals was by measuring the length of their body parts, which turned out very unsuccessful. After several years of this people had enough and it switched into the reform era of policing. Police departments became a truly professional force. Rules and regulations came into place and they were held to a higher standard than ever before. It then went into the community policing era. This was based off of building a relationship between police and the community. The community gave a lot of information to help fight crime and make it a better place to live. - AS003
ReplyDeleteI agree, investigations and the legal system has drastically changed over the years, and it was very interesting to see how it has changed. It's actually quite amazing how far the legal system has come, and how much it has evolved to current day. It's also quite amazing how detectives have also evolved throughout the years. From private investigators, to becoming one of the most prestigious roles in a police department. I also thought it was very interesting, when they talked about politicians running police forces, they would be corrupt, and only run the police department to get a spot in a political office.
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The video starts off with talking about the first detective service that started in the UK in the 1800s. They were assigned to do the serious crimes reported. Other crimes that were done had to be done by someone that a person hired. In the video it explains that this usually occurred when belongings were stolen. A lot of the crimes weren’t reported as the punishment outweighed the crimes and usually resulted in death. The video continues on to talk about how the government would reward citizens who brought criminals to them or gave them information about them. The larger the crime the larger the reward was for that citizen. However, at this time the laws were very brutal. Most of the time the punishment did not meet the crime. There were over 200 offenses in which the punishment would result in death. I find it fascinating that if you stole a loaf of bread you were burned at the stake or even being homeless and causing problems you were hanged. This caused many people to not support the legal system. For citizens that had property stolen they had to hire private citizens to go and find their property. This mainly benefited the rich as they had the money to pay these private investigators. A lot of the time these investigators were working in tandem with the thieves. These people were called Thief-takers. The video continued on and stated that the first formal police departments came around in the 1830s. The Boston police force was established in 1838. This was known as the first formal police department in the US. Private detectives were vital in criminal investigation. The justice department hired the Pinkertons private detective because they were effective. The Pinkertons did not have a jurisdiction so they were able to investigate crimes all over. The department developed a system to keep track of records and including every citizen that department had a run in with. Overall, I thought the video was informative on the history of policing and how we got to where we are now. -CUBSFAN003
ReplyDeleteI thought the punishments for the crimes back then were very out weighed too. I don’t think stealing a loaf of bread should be punished by the death penalty. I can see why a lot of things were not reported because the normal punishment for a crime was the death penalty. I thought it was interesting as well looking back at how things were back then and compare them to now. Punishments are not out weighed now like they were back then. If you stole a loaf of bread today, you would not get the death penalty. There is a lot more technology now compared to back then. Soccer003
DeleteThe narrator of the video, makes a very good point when he says “How can we appreciate the history of police investigations, if we don't know where we started, and where we are now.” That line really stood out to me because, police investigations, is a subject that is always changing, and thing that law enforcement is trying to make better. The history of everything shows what worked, and what did not work in the past. When the video said that formal police departments started to emerge in the 1830s, that really surprised me, because of how long it took for countries to actually form a department. I was shocked that any sort of law enforcement official was a volunteer before an actual formal department. It was very interesting when the narrator began explaining the eras that policing went through. It was very interesting to see the changes that were happening, and that are still happening today. It's very cool to see departments constantly evolving and changing to best fit the public needs. It seemed like we relied very much on the private investigators, and private detectors back in the day. Pinkertons detective agency was a huge part in the law enforcement world back then. It's cool the department of justice would hire Pinkertons, because they could basically do whatever they needed to do in order to catch someone. Pinkertons didn't have to follow any rules, and had no boundaries. If you think about it, the video says that traditional policing was not working in the 60s. So officers started walking beats to interact with the public more, but in today's world officers do not walk beats anymore. They are back to the traditional way of driving around in squad cars. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, it's just an interesting way to look at our policing.
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I really like the quote, “How can we appreciate the history of police investigations, if we don’t know where it started, and where we are now.” There is a lot of hate toward the police in todays society, mostly from people who are uneducated. I think that if we better educated the public about the history of police in the world and in the united states then the relationship between the police and the public would improve. We really have come a very long way in policing and have taken out a lot of the bad parts such as the interrogation methods. Could you imagine if we still used beatings and torture like we did back in those days? -Celtics003
DeleteWe have come so far from where we were long ago, a huge difference now that was talked about is how the punishment used to not fit the crime in any circumstance. Citizens did not have many options back then, if they were stole from or wronged in any way usually they would have to figure out who did it on their own or if they could afford it they could hire someone. The reason people were so reluctant in helping solve crime or even reporting a crime was because the punishment for any crime, even if it was very small usually resulted in death. People saw how flawed this system was and didn’t want anyone's life on their hands even if they could possibly benefit from it such as; being paid to bring someone in or being a hero for catching them or helping. Society, juries, police and more realized that the punishment needed to fit the crime and we kept growing and changing laws and making new ones to make them morally correct. This is a huge part of law enforcement and it is so important that it changed because it keeps the peace, maintains justice and gives victims justice. It also helps judges make decisions that won’t make them feel like they are giving out too much or too little of a punishment which keeps their mental slate clear, it helps officers understand if they should use force or not, it helps investigators know what type of threat someone is or isn’t and so much more. This video has a lot of information not only about investigative history but about how generally our history in law enforcement helped better our future and I think this is one of the best examples to prove and to show that we have become so advanced and we continue to learn better ways to carry out all of the duties. Ark003
ReplyDeleteIn this chapter I learned a lot about the history of criminal investigations. One thing that I learned about was thief takers. Thief takers are private citizens who are hired by a victim of theft, to help recover their stolen items and ultimately catch the thief. The problem with these thief takers are that they only worked for the rich and they often had a mutual benefiting relationship with the thieves of the town. The London Metropolitan Police Department fixed this problem by creating a detective position. A detective would be assigned to the most serious crimes and would be payed on salary, so he would have no need to associate with the criminals of the town. He would work for the rich and the poor, so everyone would feel equally represented. Detectives were helped by the inventions of photography. With photography detectives could keep track of criminals and better identify them on the streets. This was the first time that wanted posters would be placed around a town, in a hope to detour the criminals. One technique that police started using in a hope to catch these criminals was called dragnet roundup. This is where they took all the suspicious suspects and arrested them until they were determined innocent. They would also interrogate these suspects through prolonged beatings which definitely didn’t help their relationship with the public. The reform era ended a lot of the problems in the police and made police qualified professionals who were efficient in controlling and preventing crime. In the reform era there were two way radios, patrol cars, and even telephones which greatly helped the police do their job. The community solving era was focused on the police to public relationship, and is still going on today. This is where the police realized that they’re not going to be able to effectively stop crime in an area without the cooperation of the people within it. -Celtics003
ReplyDeleteBack in early England the punishments to crime were so severely usually resulting in death. Some of the example that the video gave were stealing a loaf of bread you were burned at the stake. If you were homeless and created a ruckus then you were hanged. The punishment did not fit the crime committed. Since the punishments were so harsh many people did not testify and juries refused to commit a criminal. The detectives were created to bring in serious criminals. They brought in people who murdered, because the citizens really did not make a fuss on killing murders. But if your stuff was stolen you could go to Thief Takers, which were individual for hire to get your stuff back. There were problems to this as because only the rich could pay for these type of people and sometimes the Thief Takers were in cooperation with the Thieves. To combat Thief Takers detectives were going to be paid so that they would help the rich and the poor. Another problem that stated to occur in early England is Thief Makers. These were thieves that would set up other thieves to collect the reward money on them, detectives would be reactive to crimes after this. Jump to America the first formal police department was created in Boston. Before this the “police” were citizens who volunteered for the job. In the mid-1800s and early 1900s the police did not have patrol car so they had to walk around the neighborhood. It was hard to get a hold of an officer because citizens had not way to get them besides running around the streets looking for one. Without the use of patrol vehicles the police did not really want to walk the criminal to the jail so the police would use “curb justice” this is when a police officer would just beat down the criminal instead of taking them to the jail. -ClarkKent003
ReplyDeleteIt is truly strange to think about how or what people would feel about the crimes committed today. If a loaf of bread would get you killed then can you imagine what abducting a child or stabbing someone could get you? Things are not as nearly as valued as they used to be and religion was thrown into a lot and traditional ideologies and beliefs have dissipated over time and things have dramatically changed. Also to realize the police did not have cars or transportation to begin with and relied on walking or horse drawn carriages is disheartening and scary because of the normalized routines they eventually maintained. -holywaffles003
DeleteI liked that you brought up that in order to combat thief takers detectives would be paid to help the rich and the poor. This helped because some criminals were getting away with things like stealing and weren't being caught because the poor couldn't pay for them to be found. This caused an issue because more crime was able to be committed against poor people because they knew they could get away with it. It was also good that detectives started to get paid because all of their hard work shouldn't go unrewarded. It is a very difficult job. Ark003
DeleteBack when detectives were just really starting to come around, it was not like how it was today in that people were pretty much in charge of solving their own cases that had happened to them. So if someone had stole something of yours, you would be the one to investigate it and try to find out who had taken your things unless you had money to pay a private investigator who would do that for you and that is where the detective first starting becoming a thing. Back then there were over two hundred crimes that were punishable by death. A lot of people would not report crimes for petty things because people would get punished to death for something as little as cutting down a tree or being homeless and being a nuisance. When detectives were first starting to get paid on a salary they were assigned to the most serious of the crimes first. If you jump ahead a little bit into the 1900’s up to the 1960’s the police and detectives were looked at as real professionals. That is how the media made them out to be. The detectives focused a lot more on science and training. The F.B.I. helped a lot in that they were advancing the way we did things such as the fingerprint identification, making new training academies and making new crime labs in order to solves more crimes. All of these things have helped shape how things are modernly run. The video also says that there needs to be a good relationship between the police and the citizens. -Steel003
ReplyDeleteThe history of criminal investigations certainly has been a tumultuous one. It doesn’t really surprise me to read about how barbaric policing was back in the early days though. I’ve always heard about how punishments were extra severe and how many times people would just be killed or even worse being burned at the stake. Though I do find it interesting that it took us so long to try and match the punishment to the crime. I don’t think I’m surprised necessarily but it is something to think about. I don’t find it too surprising though because I feel like we still see a lot of that attitude today. Perhaps not so severe but we are often throwing people in prison for things that in my opinion ought to not even be crimes. Plus I think the idea of “curb justice” is still around though it’s not exactly encouraged. I do think we are constantly improving but I think we probably still have a long ways to go. We like to look back at how people police themselves back in the day and wonder how they could be that way, but I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that people 100 years from now thought that about us. I think perhaps what will benefit us the most going forward is encouraging good relationships between police officers and the community as ideally they are one in the same. There are trust issues on both sides right now and deservedly so but if we continue to try and improve things perhaps we can gain more trust in each other. I think perhaps what is more interesting is the impact technology is having on policing. Hearing about how police officers would have to sift through cards to match fingerprints just makes me cringe at the amount of tedious work people would have to go through. And more importantly I wonder how much it could have impacted certain investigations that depended heavily on time. Then you have DNA and not only DNA but it becoming easier to utilize which I think is a great thing when used correctly.
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I agree with the things you talked about in your response. When you mentioned the thing about technology i think will definitely rise it will probably be at its best. you also mentioned how the system is constanly imporving and i totally agree because just years ago we didnt have as many crimes as we do now. We also had vert sever consequences for thingd things people did and the thimg is the crime they may committed wasnt as bad a as injuring or killing someone.
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I agree with the things you talked about in your response. When you mentioned the thing about technology i think will definitely rise it will probably be at its best. you also mentioned how the system is constanly imporving and i totally agree because just years ago we didnt have as many crimes as we do now. We also had vert sever consequences for thingd things people did and the thimg is the crime they may committed wasnt as bad a as injuring or killing someone.
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I thought there was a lot of interesting things in this video. In the early 1800’s if someone stole something from you, you either find it yourself or you pay someone to go find it. I learned more about thief takers and I found it interesting how thief takers normally helped the people that were more wealthy because the if the item that was stolen was high in value, the thief taker would get paid more. I also thought it was interesting that in the 1800’s, the punishment for crime was normally death. The person in the video said that if you stole a loaf of bread, you would get burned to death and I don't think the death penalty should qualify for that. I learned more about parliamentary rewards. You would get a reward if you turned a criminal in or you had information on a criminal. I learned more about thief makers and a thief maker is when someone tricks someone into commiting a crime and then they turn that person in for commiting the crime and the person that turns them in gets to collect the parliamentary reward. I thought it was interesting how to detective role was created when the London Metropolitan Police Department was formed. I also thought it was interesting how the department was mainly volunteers. Since people were not getting paid they sometimes would not show up or they would show up drunk. I thought it was interesting how politicians controlled policing during the political era and there was sometimes corruption. I thought Bertillonage was interesting. Before they had more information on twins, they believed that eleven measurements of a person's body could identify someone. I never knew that the term “third degree” meant. I interpreted it as an intense interrogation that can involve beatings or torturing someone in order to get them to talk or confess. -Soccer003
ReplyDeleteI think it is crazy you would either take matters into your own hand or simply pay for someone to take care of it for you in return. Now, that is not even a thought and we expect the police to handle everything with no expectations or rewards. I thought is was absurd that they said if you stole bread you were burned to death. That stopped me in my tracks because it almost makes you laugh like it is a joke because it is so intense and unnecessary. What is sad is that some and majority of people entrusted with going to about missing property expected the most amount of money possible and if they were real desperate they would go to the extremes and pay someone to fake rob you in order for people to go to them and throw money their way in attempts for the recovery of the item or items. -holywaffles003
Delete@holywaffles003. What I find upset was that theives would set up other theives to commit the crimes and turn around and turn that person in to collect a reward. Stealing is bad yes but to be double crossed . Ouch. What is the punishment for that? Being burned like everyone else. Some extra added on torture maybe. But still stealing bread and being burned is some harsh measures. But the government wasn’t playing around in anyway. They were definitely sending a message. Could you imagine if that was currently being done today to prevent future crimes? Casket003
DeleteThe Criminal Justice system has come a long way from the early days. The Criminal Justice system in the United States date back to colonial days when the citizens were subject to the laws and rules of the British. Many times the laws and subsequent punishment were not always fair. The political era of policing did not provide a large role for detectives. Detectives had limited capabilities in investigating crimes.For disciplines of the violations, they had the death penalty yet the general population who did little wrongdoings could get capital punishment. Thusly of moving toward law authorization headed out the individuals who might have collaborated. In the event that they would convey the criminal to the judge for discipline, their own life could have been hurt by the general population. Their discipline from the general population could be passing. On the off chance that you were poor than you wouldn't have enough cash to pay them. Criminologists were then set at a pay so they would work all cases. Criminologists ended up receptive to violations. Cheats would turn each other in. Analysts were just utilized in many genuine wrongdoings. The Boston police constrain was built up in 1838 and this was the primary formal PD in the US. They took a ton of strategic stuff from the British police powers. Private analysts were essential in criminal examination. The equity office contracted the Pinkertons private investigator since they were compelling. There was no purview when it went to the pinkertons private analysts so they could research any wrongdoing anyplace. The office built up a framework to monitor records and each native they at any point managed.
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After watching the slides, it amazes me how something so small could of easily costed your life. Cutting down a tree that you weren't supposed to or taking a loaf of bread for examples. It goes to show how much we have evolved, not only in the United Kingdom but the United States as a whole. The "thief takers" are what really stuck with me throughout the video. If someone stole something of yours, you could pay a citizen to get it back. In 1800's it goes to show how different the environment was of investigation. Police have become such a strong force with investigating and laws, along with court and jail time. It was very easy to become a detective if you were a criminal, it was about who you knew and if you could help out the department. The police were held to a hire standard when the community was involved with help fight crime. Many things began to change when the reform era was issued. The Industrial Revolution should be more known for making the London Metropolitan Police. was mainly created to go after crime rates in the area. The identifying process was what stuck with me during this video, how the body measurements was the start but then suddenly the criminals were slowly getting it and changing there ways. DirtTrack003
ReplyDeleteI also agree that it is crazy how things are so different and how something as simple as stealing bread could send you to death if caught. You also covered all the key concepts very good and didn't get stuck in just one part you really did a great overview of the video. I also like how you explained the thief takers and how they were citizens who get paid to get things back however i would have focused on how only the rich could do these things and how because of all this they had to make salary detectives so that way all crimes were getting a chance to be solved not just the rich. Overall great job. - pizza003
DeleteThe video from Holmes to Hoover: The history of criminal investigations goes over how detectives came to be. The role of the detective came about in the UK in the 1800’s due to the fact that the system for investigating crimes faulty. Before detectives were created, people had solve their own crimes, or get a private investigator. Rewards were often used by the government to get information about crimes. The more important the information, a bigger reward was given. The problem with this was that people were not supportive of the legal system. Because small crimes would be punished so severely. For example, stealing a loaf a bread, a person would be burned at the stake. So people weren't quick to turn them in. Even the judge and the jury didn't want to convict them because they would be put to death for petty crimes. The people that did cooperate with turning crimes in for rewards, as a result, were very much so hated by society because they had blood on their hands. Because of this, the legal system was forced to have detectives for serious crimes, such as murder. Citizens who were victims of lesser crimes had to hire people to get their belongings back or to catch the person who did it. The problem with this, was that only rich people benefitted from that, and so the crime rate was still high. So the solution was to make detectives salaried, so that they would help everyone. Another issue with the governments reward system was that it created more criminals instead or catching them. The criminals would trick people into doing crimes, and the turn around and turn them in for the money. To fix to this was they made detectives reactive to crime, and they were assigned to crimes that already taken place. Overall, it was a very informative video the explained how the role of detective was created and how they addressed many issues in the legal system. -pizza003
ReplyDeleteThe role of detective emerged originally from the united kingdom. Regarding the evolution of the investigative task: english developments, the current system for investigating crime was deemed to be flawed. The detectives arose to address the current flaws. During the political era, politicians controlled policing which became known to lead into corruption. Curbside justice was the favored alternative to arrest. The detectives were familiar with criminals and their tactics and some were even reformed criminals and were often disguised as their work was secretive. During the community problem solving era, strategies had been developed for community residents to share information with the police, such as tip lines, school liaison officers, and community watch groups. There have been also major technology advancements such as DNA and fingerprint systems. Specialized units have also been formed overtime such as special victims/vulnerable populations unit, and child exploitation/ internet crimes. Over the years ever since policing was formed, things have changed drastically. A lot of people do not appreciate or understand the serious advancements and where we came from. Being a police officer then is beyond different to what it is now and there needs to be respect given to those that helped get us to the place we are with everything because without their attempts and discoveries and hard work, we would be in a totally different world. People were still the same asinine way to officer's then as to now because people have not changed overtime. People are still very nasty and rude to officers and still cause riots and trouble where it is unneeded. Politics still have a major affect on policing today as well and it is more political than things used to be. People came up with these ideas and ways of work to better everyone and themselves to help the public. -holywaffles003
ReplyDeleteLearning the history of investigation is basically learning about policing because it merges out from it. The video mentions 3 important eras that help evolve the idea of detectives. The Political Era, which policing was controlled by politicians. They would hire people that were not fit for the job. Making the job corrupt because officers were taking advantage of the jobs. In the 1800’s people had to investigate themselves the problem, there wasn’t anyone else to do it for them unless they hired someone. Then, Industrial Revolution made there for availability for jobs, making people overcrowd and population grew. Which made the bigger
ReplyDeletecities have a variety of people causing it to be more crime. There was a lot of political pressure. That is when detectives originated and started to address the issues after the crimes was made not during like a police officer. Later was the Reform Era, where they would people that were fit for the job and train them to properly handle specific situations. It is interesting because they focused on taking out politics from policing. Which was a good thing to do because people were taking advantage of the job. Like when victims called for help like if their stuff were stolen, the people who commited the crime would offer to help find their stuff. They were obviously paid to solve the crime and they would benefit from the victims. So, hiring qualified people and paying them do deal with small and large claims was a better idea. Finally, it transition to community policing and being of service for the people. Where it shows that detectives having a good relationship with the community can help them solve crimes easily. yellow003
The job of being a detective started in the UK in the 1800’s. During this time, normal everyday people were able to figure out and investigate their very own crimes. If anyone during this time period were to have seen or heard anything about a specific crime and had information about who it may be who committed the crime, then that person would receive some type of reward in return. One thing that I found so interesting while watching this video was the fact that people would get insane punishments that did not fit the crimes that they had committed. If you were to steal something, then you would be sentenced to death. In the year 1838, the Boston police force was created. During this time period there were three policing eras. The first era was the political era. Another one was the the reform era. The last era was the community problem solving era. Also in this time period, politics were a huge deal. If you did not vote for a certain person to be elected, officers would sometimes beat you until you decided to vote for the individual that they wanted you to vote for. Officers would also beat people who committed certain crimes. The only time that detectives were used during this time was when a truly serious crime had taken place. At one point during the video, he spoke about how they came up with a new system which had recordings of the lengths and measurements of criminals limbs and body parts. However this system did not stick around for too long because the system was flawed and other people were found to have the same measurements as other criminals. Knowing some of the history behind policing is extremely interesting and I am glad to have learned all of this knowledge. After watching this video, I am very happy to be able to say that we live in the world that we do now. Policing has come so far since the 1800’s and will continue to move forward and become better and stronger as time goes on. I am very thankful for our criminal justice system. -Anchorman003
ReplyDeleteListening to this video took me back to police operations when I took the class in 2013, discussions of corruption and police brutality and even leading to false confessions. We still face today as well as elected officials within the policeing department. It’s sad that if you didn’t vote for someone you would be beat or you would be beaten for a vote. Granted has police policies gotten better over the years yes they have but still their is some sort of corruption still going on. Confessions being coerced in one way or another. But not as bad as it has been in the past such as teeth being pulled or being burned. Yeah I would confess to a crime to if I was being beat. Another thing that was brought up was the beats . This was supposed to be a way for the community to get to know the officers and for the officers to get to know the community. A way for the officer to gain trust from the community vise versa. To this day officers are still encouraged to walk their some of their beats whether or not they do it is on them. A problem with how determining criminals back in the 1800’s is still very similar to determining criminals today. Unfortunately race plays a factor in profilings of a criminal as to back then race and just looking goofy made you a criminals. Even before the 1800’s we had the Salem witch trials. People were hung all because someone didn’t like someone. Is the criminal justice system growing? yes but slowly.- casket003
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